Am I right - is this a basic spec 718?

Am I right - is this a basic spec 718?

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sticks090460

1,079 posts

159 months

Sunday 18th December 2022
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GE90 said:
I know I should drive one next, but reviews seem to criticise the 2.0, suggesting it laggy and not performing as you would expect.
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This is, frankly, nonsense. I always find the wife’s base Boxster more than rapid enough for normal road use. Leave the gearbox in auto, press the sport button, Robert is very much your mother’s brother.

GE90

Original Poster:

364 posts

121 months

Sunday 18th December 2022
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Thanks! It’s my intention to drive one as soon as I can.

Difficult, as I my S3 is as new and ticks so many boxes, but I just get bored, which is an expensive habit! I’ve always loved the look of the Cayman.

Ultimately I’d love a 911, after having hired one in 2014 for my 40th. Trouble is I don’t really appreciate classic - I like modern I’m afraid! My budget won’t stretch to a 2014 or newer 911!

Any thoughts on the list of queries in respect of the first car would be very much appreciated.

Trevor555

4,457 posts

85 months

Sunday 18th December 2022
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GE90 said:
Any thoughts on the list of queries in respect of the first car would be very much appreciated.
Get it inspected by someone with bodyshop experience



dfen5

2,398 posts

213 months

Sunday 18th December 2022
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Might as well buy from Porsche? Cheaper https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...

GE90

Original Poster:

364 posts

121 months

Tuesday 24th January 2023
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Hi All

I keep getting drawn back to the 18.5k miles 2017 one, and have now sourced a spec list.

Any way of knowing which entries are options please?

Also, any recommendations for servicing/repairs - I'm in the SE, Bromley.

Thanks.





LiamH66

691 posts

92 months

Wednesday 25th January 2023
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I think memory is the best way, but my one was made a few months before that one.

All of the options I identified in my previous post, but things I noticed on the spec that I had to pay for on my 2017 Cayman 2.0 (noting the bits that come as standard nowadays):

Metallic paint
Sports tailpipe
Electric folding mirrors
64 litre fuel tank
Navigation (standard now, but pretty sure it was extra, unbelievably)
20" Carrera S wheels
PDK transmission
Rear wiper
Multi function heated steering wheel
Climate control (appears to be the proper one, rather than the basic air con that still comes as standard)
Seat belts in guards red
Heated seats (now come as standard, but not sure since when)

Would have been well north of £50k new, possibly around £55k. Just the wheels, PDK and climate control would have added about £4k to the new price. Seems a very sensible set of options. I know others would go for extended leather interior, but I never have for "base" model Caymans before. Just such a lot of money compared to the base cost of the car in my mind.

Liam

Edited by LiamH66 on Wednesday 25th January 23:11


Edited by LiamH66 on Wednesday 25th January 23:28

GE90

Original Poster:

364 posts

121 months

Saturday 28th January 2023
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Thanks very much.

So, I viewed this one during the week. Paint depth check confirmed all original paint, in great condition and seems a genuine car.

However, and this is no fault of the specific car nor the Cayman, but I was surprised by how ‘agricultural’ it felt after jumping out of my Audi S3. While I absolutely love the look of the Cayman, and would really like to pull the trigger, I’m just not 100% certain. I think it’s a car I need to spend more time in to understand it, and connect?

Hard to put my finger on it, but the steering was heavy, and the car noisy, giving the impression of a much less resolved and civilised car? I’m sure this is not the case, but just left me confused.

For context, it’ll be a second car to our family wagon, but I’d need to use for some local shortish journeys sometimes.

I hired a 204 911 Carrera S for a day in celebration of a big birthday almost 10 years ago and absolutely loved it, but this would be well out of budget!

Confused!

Thanks

LiamH66

691 posts

92 months

Saturday 28th January 2023
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GE90 said:
Thanks very much.

So, I viewed this one during the week. Paint depth check confirmed all original paint, in great condition and seems a genuine car.

However, and this is no fault of the specific car nor the Cayman, but I was surprised by how ‘agricultural’ it felt after jumping out of my Audi S3. While I absolutely love the look of the Cayman, and would really like to pull the trigger, I’m just not 100% certain. I think it’s a car I need to spend more time in to understand it, and connect?

Hard to put my finger on it, but the steering was heavy, and the car noisy, giving the impression of a much less resolved and civilised car? I’m sure this is not the case, but just left me confused.

For context, it’ll be a second car to our family wagon, but I’d need to use for some local shortish journeys sometimes.

I hired a 204 911 Carrera S for a day in celebration of a big birthday almost 10 years ago and absolutely loved it, but this would be well out of budget!

Confused!

Thanks
There's a cure for that. Get a drive in a 981 GT4 for a few miles. The 718 2.0 will instantly feel very refined in comparison! I have both, and the base 718 feels like a comfy pair of slippers after taking my running shoes off when I get back in it. Much, much quieter too.

I often use either of mine for nipping down to the supermarket or the tip. Totally everyday usable, but they are definitely sports cars from the ground up rather than souped up everyday cars. They are refined, but not in the same way as most road cars. And of course if they made them as refined as a 911, they'd risk losing a lot of 911 sales given Cayman price point.

I bought my first 718 Cayman 2.0 on the basis of a 60 mile trundle in a similar spec 718 Boxster, on my own in the car. I covered a good array of A roads, B roads, motorway and urban congestion. It was only half way through the drive that I started to get just how competent the car was, and how to get the best from the little turbo 4-cylinder. The only downside was that I'd forgotten to ask how to apply the handbrake before I set off. Almost 7 years on, I still think they are one of the best sports cars ever.

You'll probably need more seat time before you can decide.

Liam

GE90

Original Poster:

364 posts

121 months

Saturday 28th January 2023
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LiamH66 said:
There's a cure for that. Get a drive in a 981 GT4 for a few miles. The 718 2.0 will instantly feel very refined in comparison! I have both, and the base 718 feels like a comfy pair of slippers after taking my running shoes off when I get back in it. Much, much quieter too.

I often use either of mine for nipping down to the supermarket or the tip. Totally everyday usable, but they are definitely sports cars from the ground up rather than souped up everyday cars. They are refined, but not in the same way as most road cars. And of course if they made them as refined as a 911, they'd risk losing a lot of 911 sales given Cayman price point.

I bought my first 718 Cayman 2.0 on the basis of a 60 mile trundle in a similar spec 718 Boxster, on my own in the car. I covered a good array of A roads, B roads, motorway and urban congestion. It was only half way through the drive that I started to get just how competent the car was, and how to get the best from the little turbo 4-cylinder. The only downside was that I'd forgotten to ask how to apply the handbrake before I set off. Almost 7 years on, I still think they are one of the best sports cars ever.

You'll probably need more seat time before you can decide.

Liam
Thanks very much - I reckon you’ve nailed it!

Now the problem is finding one I can do an extended drive in. The subject car is a good few hours away!


LiamH66

691 posts

92 months

Saturday 28th January 2023
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I just asked my local OPC for a test drive in a new demonstrator. Used cars you nearly always have to have trade plates, and a a salesman in the passenger seat, which generally takes me out of my comfort zone, and limits the time you'll be allowed to take the car out for. New demo cars are generally insured for punters to drive solo.

I was really honest with OPC Bolton. My initial interest had been a used 981 Cayman, but then the 718 was announced. I wanted to know what the engine was like both with manual and PDK, and I wanted to know how that compared with the outgoing 6-cylinder cars. I ended up getting quite a few different test drives, but the long one solo drive was in an almost brand new demo manual 718 Boxster. They were perfectly happy for me to have it for a day or 2 if I wanted, but an hour or so was all the time I really had.

They were really open with letting me try anything I wanted. It resulted in me ordering a new car, so wasn't a bad bet, but there wasn't any pressure. They somehow got me 2 trips out to the Porsche Experience Centre during the ordering process for the first one too, which was nice.

Brings me onto the next point. The PEC at Silverstone is another nice way of experiencing a decent amount of time in the cars with a good instructor, and I think the shorter taster experiences are an absolute bargain. 1/2 day even more worthwhile. Worth considering, as you learn as much about yourself as a driver as you do about the cars you try. Food is great too.

Liam

T1berious

2,269 posts

156 months

Sunday 29th January 2023
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LiamH66 said:
I just asked my local OPC for a test drive in a new demonstrator. Used cars you nearly always have to have trade plates, and a a salesman in the passenger seat, which generally takes me out of my comfort zone, and limits the time you'll be allowed to take the car out for. New demo cars are generally insured for punters to drive solo.

I was really honest with OPC Bolton. My initial interest had been a used 981 Cayman, but then the 718 was announced. I wanted to know what the engine was like both with manual and PDK, and I wanted to know how that compared with the outgoing 6-cylinder cars. I ended up getting quite a few different test drives, but the long one solo drive was in an almost brand new demo manual 718 Boxster. They were perfectly happy for me to have it for a day or 2 if I wanted, but an hour or so was all the time I really had.

They were really open with letting me try anything I wanted. It resulted in me ordering a new car, so wasn't a bad bet, but there wasn't any pressure. They somehow got me 2 trips out to the Porsche Experience Centre during the ordering process for the first one too, which was nice.

Brings me onto the next point. The PEC at Silverstone is another nice way of experiencing a decent amount of time in the cars with a good instructor, and I think the shorter taster experiences are an absolute bargain. 1/2 day even more worthwhile. Worth considering, as you learn as much about yourself as a driver as you do about the cars you try. Food is great too.

Liam
I had a similar experience with my OPC,very relaxed, my partner and I took a 718 and 718S out for about an hour in each.

Very competent but it just didn't gel with us (was to replace a Z4MR), 18 months later was back to place an order on a GTS 4.0. Didn't get a test drive until about 6 months in.

Test drive with SE passenger

GE90

Original Poster:

364 posts

121 months

Sunday 29th January 2023
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Thanks.

I’ve reached out to my local OPC, as they have one available.

Am I right in thinking that the 2017 base shouldn’t have the twin pipes?

Many thanks.


mabosh

300 posts

187 months

Sunday 29th January 2023
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GE90 said:
Thanks.

I’ve reached out to my local OPC, as they have one available.

Am I right in thinking that the 2017 base shouldn’t have the twin pipes?

Many thanks.

They can do, they are optional.

Have a play with the configurator on the Porsche website and you'll get a feel for what's standard and what isn't.

Not that many changes added during the 718 lifespan. Nav added in 2017, heated seats and parking sensors for 2019 spring to mind.

GE90

Original Poster:

364 posts

121 months

Monday 30th January 2023
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Right, to update.

I spent a little more time in one today, but not nearly enough.

Really starting to get a feel for it though. Starting to think I must be odd to be taking time to really ‘understand’ the car!

The one today drove great, but had so many issues. Wet front boot, water dropped from sun visor during drive. Upper rear brake light full of condensation. Poor history, just about no options, and signs of bodywork on near side. Also ditch finder tyres!

So, going back to the front runner. I managed to find the previous owner on Facebook, and they have been amazingly helpful. Nothing to worry about there, and all seems really good and genuine.

So, here’s my thoughts! The car has one tyre that’s not ‘N’, which believe it or not the last owner said Porsche fitted after a pot hole incident! So I’d like to replace the pair, £530.

Then there is the matter of the 6 year service in August. One OPC quoted £1800, no plugs (I think these need doing as box not ticked by Porsche as last service). Another OPC £1400, again no plugs. Specialists in the SE are between £800 - £1100, including plugs. However, anyone know if they are able to/typically connect with Porsche to update software?

Finally the front pads looked a little low. Not too bad, but I thought I had better factor this in.

So, with the full ceramic detail at my detailer, I could be looking at a few £k to get is where I want.

Dealer is refurbing all wheels, and will have an MOT done.

Cannot stop looking at this photo! The more I learn I think it’s got some reasonable options - PDK, steering wheel, rear wiper, red belts, climate, sports pipes.

Any further thoughts? Almost £38k reasonable, with 19k miles and full OPC history? From a used dealer, not specialist, but sold a few.





Edited by GE90 on Monday 30th January 20:17

LiamH66

691 posts

92 months

Monday 30th January 2023
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Well...

My first (and similar spec, but manual) 718 Cayman was delivered in May 2017 for about £50k, and traded back to an OPC in October 2018 for ~£36k (I think, wasn't more than that), with a little over 17,500 miles on the clock. It was genuinely mint, I'd even had the front bumper repainted by a "Porsche recommended" paint shop a few months before, so it didn't have so much as stone chip on it.

And then I get to thinking about the one you are considering buying (and dealers cannot continue to be dealers if they don't make a profit), and how I loved that car so much that I bought an identical new one just over a year ago. They really do seem to be as unaffected by depreciation as anything.

If it all feels genuine and untampered with (love the tyre story), I think it might actually be a bargain. I know by rights they ought to be cheaper by now, but not much really is. If it might just put a smile on your face when you leave the house in the morning (and they do), then it might just be money well spent.

Weirdly, the really agricultural (or track-focused, as some might say!) Cayman I also have inspires the biggest grin. They are addictive for some of us. I know I am old and weird, but if there was ever a daily usable sports car, this is it. My gut feel is that you have already found the right one.

Liam

esuuv

1,324 posts

206 months

Tuesday 31st January 2023
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Check what you're getting in the service - OPC's tend to add a £300 air con service which is optional and not actually required, if it's blowing cold then I wouldn't bother. They'll email you a quote listing what they are going to do if you ask - and some dealers are way cheaper than others - especially if you take a day trip further away from the south east.


GE90

Original Poster:

364 posts

121 months

Saturday 4th February 2023
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Right, spent some time with the car!

I’m making a meal of this I know! One minute head rules heart, the next minute it flips!

The car is close to needing 4 tyres, so I’m factoring in PS4S N replacements. It needs front pads soon. Otherwise, it really does seem a great example. I managed to trace the former owner who gave me reassurance too.

At present I have a fantastic S3, but as the car is rarely used, I’m looking for something that is an occasion itself to drive. We have a family wagon for those duties.

I have a reasonable price for the 6 year service at an OPC, and might even be able to stretch to a warranty with them too, although I think £315 for the 111 point check is steep considering they will be doing a full service at the time! I would purchase approved used, but cannot find anything with the spec of this which is pretty much ideal for me. Also, with the tyres done, service in August and possibly a warranty, it’ll be not much different , and slightly cheaper.

The only thing that lets it down cosmetically are the rusting parts of the disc vents, surface rust on the wheel bolts and white worm corrosion on the centre hubs. Also the black calipers have faded (must be a way of bringing back to life?). All a bit OCD, but that’s me!

Dealer will MOT and get the wheels refurbished.

I then have head ruling heart moments and look at new S3’s!

Then I look at this (my S3 in the background).

Thought’s really appreciated.


jimbo761

376 posts

83 months

Saturday 4th February 2023
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By the time you’ve paid for the six year service, warranty and brakes you’re getting close to 2019 OPC prices with the 24 month warranty already included:

https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...

https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...

Just a thought, also possible leverage to knock a couple of grand off your deal?

GE90

Original Poster:

364 posts

121 months

Saturday 4th February 2023
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Thanks, appreciated.

I’ve had a good look at approved, but the gap is reasonably significant as I’m looking for folding mirrors (park in garage) and PDK. Fallen in love with the 20” wheels too, particularly against the GP silver!

Dealer already dropped some, and won’t move any further. Good part ex for mine (almost private money) and I don’t suppose a full refurbishment of the 20” wheels isn’t cheap.

I guess even an approved car would have cosmetic brake disc rust and tyres at say 3mm - probably Pirelli too! Faded brake calipers too.

I think I’m talking myself into it!

scrounger73

264 posts

159 months

Sunday 5th February 2023
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I wouldn't worry about rust brakes discs. Very common on steels. Mine rust up within minutes of doing a wash and it's only a year old with 6000 miles on it. Same with the wheel bolts.

Brakes you could probably do yourself if you're that way inclined and the sensor isn't worn and the discs aren't lipped. Brake calipers do go grey if strong cleaning solutions are used (have a look at some of the OPCs demo cars!) however, you may be able to bring these back to life with a ceramic coating such a Gyeon Rim.

The 111 point check is standard if an OPC is providing an extended warranty but you may be able to negotiate the £250 cost as you're buying the warranty and paying for a service.

If you've made contact with the previous owner and if he's had it from new, he will be able to tell you if he's had any issues. Verify the mileage he sold it at compared to what it is now. That should indicate if it's been sat for a while and if anything has happened between him owning it and the dealer.

WRT options I'll tell you what was/is optional

Sports tailpipes. Standard one is oval
Folding mirrors
Carplay
Rear parking sensors
64 ltr tank
PDK
Multifunction steering wheel heated
Interior light package
Guards red seatbelts
Heated seats
Rear wiper


Any pictures of the interior?