Do you like a Cayman 981 S yellow with interior bordeaux ?

[Zarco]

Makes me think of rhubarb and custard.

Not a fan of the interior personally.

[Adam.]

Andre_Sant said:

Ok, I understand your point, but I must also consider the fact that the prices is lowest than a 981S black black
For this 981S yellow red with many GTS specs, the price is like a 981 base black black with chrono only..

yes because very few people will buy or like a yellow/red car, so it has to be cheaper to attract someone who wants to take the risk, exactly as you are doing

Andre_Sant said:

So, do you think that because the car costs less, but has 'unusual' colours, it will still be easily resaleable tomorrow at the price that a black 981 BASE black will have in the future? Or will the black black 981 BASE still and always have a bigger market despite having the same price?

No. Yes. Most buyers (like me) would never consider a yellow/red car regardless of spec. Colour is the most important spec choice and is not economic to change (whereas adding some cost options or changing wheels / exhaust is easier). Most buyers would consider a saleable colour (black/grey/silver/dark metallics/white) or yellow with black leather and sacrifice some missing cost options IMHO.

[Adam.]

Andre_Sant said:

finally: what do you think of the other 2 cars I put above, the 981 BASE but blue/black and the manual 997 TARGA with 50.000miles?

Thanks a lot

So if I have this correct:

Yellow / red S - 50k + a serivce, 56k miles, 2014
carbon interior pack
carbon illuminated door entry guards
carbon bit on steering wheel

black / black (not S) - 32k miles 2013
has all the importnat options - 20" wheels, sports exhaust and sport chrono
same price

honestly wouldn't really care about the carbon bits or heated steering wheel and memory seats

black car all day long, especially given mileage
personally I would go for a tasteful colour S with an OK spec (nice whels, chrono, etc) but no trinkets like carbon bits
how much are they in your market?

[981Boxess]

Andre_Sant said:

Thanks for the link, but it is 65.000 EURO VS 50.000 EURO.. a very big difference

It is a newer car with less miles at retail price (not negotiated) from a dealer as opposed to a private sale that has already been negotiated, not in a marmite colour scheme. So yes there is a big difference as it stands - but not to your taste, so fair enough. There is no such thing as a cheap Porsche, if it is there is always a reason for it.

Having read all you have written I think you are unlikely to find what you want for what you are willing to pay for it, but good luck with your search.

[Orangecurry]

The answer is obvious.

Buy both.

Swop over the interiors - you'll have a yellow/black, and a black/red, both will look stunning.

Keep the one you prefer/people tell you is more 'valuable', and sell the other for a massive profit - I'll take my usual 10%.

[981Boxess]

Orangecurry said:

The answer is obvious.

Buy both.

Swop over the interiors - you'll have a yellow/black, and a black/red, both will look stunning.

Keep the one you prefer/people tell you is more 'valuable', and sell the other for a massive profit - I'll take my usual 10%.

I would have said your 10% is fair given that you are offering to do all the work

[Andre_Sant]

Adam. said:

So if I have this correct:

Yellow / red S - 50k + a serivce, 56k miles, 2014
carbon interior pack
carbon illuminated door entry guards
carbon bit on steering wheel

black / black (not S) - 32k miles 2013
has all the importnat options - 20" wheels, sports exhaust and sport chrono
same price

honestly wouldn't really care about the carbon bits or heated steering wheel and memory seats

black car all day long, especially given mileage
personally I would go for a tasteful colour S with an OK spec (nice whels, chrono, etc) but no trinkets like carbon bits
how much are they in your market?

in Italy the 981S are very rare, because at the time they were sold the ownership taxes increased considerably compared to the base 981.

the average cost of a 981s when you find it is 58,000 - 60,000 euros, but there are also those who ask for 65,000-66,000 euros.

however a realistic comparison can be made with this black black 981 GTS which is sold, after some negotiation, for 66,500 euros (source: https://www.autoscout24.it/annunci/porsche-cayman-... )

the difference between the base 981 and the 981S is mainly given by the engine, the PASM, the memory seats (which however have a relative utility), and the leather interior (in the base they are in alcantara), while I agree that other options ( such as the carbon finishes, the heated steering wheel, the GTS format front spoiler) are secondary

Both instead have the chrono and the sports exhaust

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my orientation is to ask the seller of the yellow porsche to further reduce the price by pointing to the fact that the color is particular and that the car has been around the world. we'll see what he tells me.

Of course, I will still carry out all the necessary checks to make sure that the parts are original (including the front bumper) and that the car has never had an accident (about this, I also intend to contact porsche abu dhabi and porsche prague)

thanks a lot

[Adam.]

good luck and let us know how it turns out

[Andre_Sant]

981Boxess said:

t is a newer car with less miles at retail price (not negotiated) from a dealer as opposed to a private sale that has already been negotiated, not in a marmite colour scheme. So yes there is a big difference as it stands - but not to your taste, so fair enough. There is no such thing as a cheap Porsche, if it is there is always a reason for it.

Having read all you have written I think you are unlikely to find what you want for what you are willing to pay for it, but good luck with your search.

Thanks for your answer
yes it is true, but I like the light beige/cream leather colour much less than the red colour (yes of course, it is only my taste).
Also if we consider that the black/black 981 GTS can be found for €66,500, I think the price of the silver 981 S is still overpriced, even if the seller drops the price a bit.

In general, if I had found a black/black Porsche 981 S with good options, or a yellow/black 981S, for 58,000/59,000 euros, I would have bought it.

Given that in italy they sell the 981 GTS at 66,500 euros, and at 49,000 euros you can find the basic black/black 981 well equipped, I think 58,000 euros is its correct value, but the problem is that you can't find any, because Porsche sold a very small number of 981S in Italy

[julian987R]

Andre_Sant said:

but I like the light beige/cream leather colour much less than the red colour (yes of course, it is only my taste).

Buy the yellow and red. It is very clear from your replies that you really like it, and why not. Go for it. Live for now.

[MrVert]

/\ What he said…..

I hear some poor fella has been looking for a 997 GTS for 4 years in the perfect spec, who’d want to live like that!?

Mad

[julian987R]

MrVert said:

/\ What he said…..

I hear some poor fella has been looking for a 997 GTS for 4 years in the perfect spec, who’d want to live like that!?

Mad

touché

[981Boxess]

MrVert said:

I hear some poor fella has been looking for a 997 GTS for 4 years in the perfect spec, who’d want to live like that!?

Mad

My mate had a car lot and we were sitting there putting the motor trade right one day and a bloke walked on to the lot he had seen before, I pointed him out to him and he said and I quote "that ain't one you put your coffee down for"

I suspect anyone looking for a car for 4 years would be in that category

[981Boxess]

Andre_Sant said:

.......... I think 58,000 euros is its correct value, but the problem is that you can't find any, because Porsche sold a very small number of 981S in Italy

There is a limited supply and they are not making any more, the correct value is whatever somebody else is willing to pay for it, that is what determines a price, not what you value it at.

[julian987R]

981Boxess said:

MrVert said:

I hear some poor fella has been looking for a 997 GTS for 4 years in the perfect spec, who’d want to live like that!?

Mad

My mate had a car lot and we were sitting there putting the motor trade right one day and a bloke walked on to the lot he had seen before, I pointed him out to him and he said and I quote "that ain't one you put your coffee down for"

I suspect anyone looking for a car for 4 years would be in that category

It’s a funny quote though I would argue thus that car dealer simply had a continuous supply of poor quality cars

[Andre_Sant]

981Boxess said:

here is a limited supply and they are not making any more, the correct value is whatever somebody else is willing to pay for it, that is what determines a price, not what you value it at.

value is also established in relation to alternatives.
If a 981 GTS costs EUR 66,500 with few miles, a 981 S cannot cost basically the same (even if there are only a few), as it is an inferior model to a pure 981 GTS.

[julian987R]

Its big brother

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302013...

[981Boxess]

julian987R said:

981Boxess said:

MrVert said:

I hear some poor fella has been looking for a 997 GTS for 4 years in the perfect spec, who’d want to live like that!?

Mad

My mate had a car lot and we were sitting there putting the motor trade right one day and a bloke walked on to the lot he had seen before, I pointed him out to him and he said and I quote "that ain't one you put your coffee down for"

I suspect anyone looking for a car for 4 years would be in that category

It’s a funny quote though I would argue thus that car dealer simply had a continuous supply of poor quality cars

I would argue you have never worked in the motor trade.

[Adam.]

julian987R said:

Its big brother

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302013...

looks especially hideous in the last picture, with the red and yellow clash in full effect

[981Boxess]

Adam. said:

looks especially hideous in the last picture, with the red and yellow clash in full effect

I thought the yellow belts and speedo finish it off nicely