Next Cayman… EV?

[kalexan273]

scrounger73 said:

The 718 EV so so far behind that I doubt that it'll show it's face this year. I spoke to my SA last week and he said they've no idea when it will be released but they do know that the 982 platform will still be available until the end of '24 however there most probably won't be a mid life facelift.

The only thing I can see them doing is adding cruise and/or speed limit display as standard given the new speed limiting legislation in the UK from July '24. Obviously the price will increase..... it is Porsche afterall.

At what point is the manufacture of 718's impacted in Europe by the new cybersecurity laws? At a guess production will probably need to end for Europe alongside the NA Macans.

[Fink-Nottle]

kalexan273 said:

At what point is the manufacture of 718's impacted in Europe by the new cybersecurity laws? At a guess production will probably need to end for Europe alongside the NA Macans.

I read that sales of Caymans and Boxsters in Europe, Japan, and South Korea will cease sometime this year. Apparently the cybersecurity regulations require investments so massive that developing the software for low volume car series isn't feasible. IIRC the reasons for the Macan's demise are slightly different, to do with the whole platform being discontinued, again because of the cybersec regulations.

[Fink-Nottle]

Correction: Per Auto Motor Sport, the 718 GT4 RS and the "718 Boxster RS" (presumably the Spyder) will continue to be sold in these markets beyond 2024.

[Charlie_1]

GT4RS said:

reddiesel said:

GT4RS said:

What’s the point of a fully electric sports car?

I am completely with you on this . I was at a Ferrari Dealership last week where we were discussing fitting voice boxes to EVs in order to replicate the sound of a V12 . Imagine the early days of the ICE and Henry Ford stood trying to get the Model T to sound more like a Horse . Complete madness .

I guess the new electric porsche cayman will be targeting a different market.

I always thought two of the the main joys of owning a sports car was how it feels to drive and how it sounds.

Personally I couldn’t care less if it can get to 60mph in 2 seconds or less and apparently saves the planet.

Ev will end up killing the sports car market.

You are going to get hung,drawn & quartered saying things like like that but you are spot on , EV sports cars utterly pointless & no EV is saving the planet , its bailing out the Titanic with a tea cup

[Dr S]

nutsyH said:

Wouldn't be surprised if it never happens. The whole EV thing is falling apart.

I definitively hope so. It's planned economy again and it will fail as it failed in the past.

[Charlie_1]

D4rez said:

trumpton7291 said:

Yep, I think certain zev mandate targets will soon get kicked into the long grass like the 2030 ice ban as the net zero nonsense reality finally starts to bite.

Ha. Naaa

Ha Naaa ? have not both Ford & Mercedes said that current EV plans are unrealistic and they are changing tack & continuing ICE production , at last some intelligence is kicking in , net zero my arse

[Augustash]

[quote=GT4RS]What’s the point of a fully electric sports car?

None in my opinion, looks like my MY23 GT4 is going to be with me for a very very long time

[D4rez]

Charlie_1 said:

D4rez said:

trumpton7291 said:

Yep, I think certain zev mandate targets will soon get kicked into the long grass like the 2030 ice ban as the net zero nonsense reality finally starts to bite.

Ha. Naaa

Ha Naaa ? have not both Ford & Mercedes said that current EV plans are unrealistic and they are changing tack & continuing ICE production , at last some intelligence is kicking in , net zero my arse

Sure but they’ll still be working to the 2035 timescales in the EU and UK. Not to mention the UKs ZEV mandate which gets more and more stringent each year. In fact Mercedes actually hit their 2024 UK target in 2023 a year early.

Targets might change in the rest of world but you’ve got fat chance of seeing any of that here

[trumpton7291]

D4rez said:

Charlie_1 said:

D4rez said:

trumpton7291 said:

Yep, I think certain zev mandate targets will soon get kicked into the long grass like the 2030 ice ban as the net zero nonsense reality finally starts to bite.

Ha. Naaa

Ha Naaa ? have not both Ford & Mercedes said that current EV plans are unrealistic and they are changing tack & continuing ICE production , at last some intelligence is kicking in , net zero my arse

Sure but they’ll still be working to the 2035 timescales in the EU and UK. Not to mention the UKs ZEV mandate which gets more and more stringent each year. In fact Mercedes actually hit their 2024 UK target in 2023 a year early.

Targets might change in the rest of world but you’ve got fat chance of seeing any of that here

Sorry but what absolute bullst

+EU is 2040…

https://www.sae.org/news/2023/03/european-ice-ban

Edited by trumpton7291 on Monday 4th March 21:04

[julian987R]

They will sell like hot cakes though.
Opinion is bound to me biased on a forum like Pistonheads (and all it stands for)..but I think the Cayman EV will be an outstanding sales generator yet a woeful car to enthusiasts.

[trumpton7291]

julian987R said:

They will sell like hot cakes though.
Opinion is bound to me biased on a forum like Pistonheads (and all it stands for)..but I think the Cayman EV will be an outstanding sales generator yet a woeful car to enthusiasts.

Are you sure they will sell? Heavy EV sports cars with limited range can only go so far. Quite literally!

[ChrisW.]

trumpton7291 said:

D4rez said:

Charlie_1 said:

D4rez said:

trumpton7291 said:

Yep, I think certain zev mandate targets will soon get kicked into the long grass like the 2030 ice ban as the net zero nonsense reality finally starts to bite.

Ha. Naaa

Ha Naaa ? have not both Ford & Mercedes said that current EV plans are unrealistic and they are changing tack & continuing ICE production , at last some intelligence is kicking in , net zero my arse

Sure but they’ll still be working to the 2035 timescales in the EU and UK. Not to mention the UKs ZEV mandate which gets more and more stringent each year. In fact Mercedes actually hit their 2024 UK target in 2023 a year early.

Targets might change in the rest of world but you’ve got fat chance of seeing any of that here

Sorry but what absolute bullst

+EU is 2040…

https://www.sae.org/news/2023/03/european-ice-ban

Edited by trumpton7291 on Monday 4th March 21:04

" The EU agreed to permit sales and registration of internal-combustion engine (ICE) models after the 2035 deadline — provided those vehicles operate only on carbon-neutral fuels, often generically referred to as ‘e-fuels.’ "

[julian987R]

trumpton7291 said:

julian987R said:

They will sell like hot cakes though.
Opinion is bound to me biased on a forum like Pistonheads (and all it stands for)..but I think the Cayman EV will be an outstanding sales generator yet a woeful car to enthusiasts.

Are you sure they will sell? Heavy EV sports cars with limited range can only go so far. Quite literally!

I can’t be certain but considering how many sheep have drunk the climate kool-aid then I reckon they could sell extremely well.

[D4rez]

trumpton7291 said:

Sorry but what absolute bullst

+EU is 2040…

https://www.sae.org/news/2023/03/european-ice-ban

Edited by trumpton7291 on Monday 4th March 21:04

It’s 2035 and the e-fuels have to be 100% climate neutral.. which by the way the European regulators mandated because it kept Germany happy but also made the allowance technically and commercially unworkable. Someone in a committee room in parliament had a lot of fun with that one

[PinkHouse]

T1berious said:

Considering the Taycan has set the standard for a well sorted engaging BEV I don’t see why Porsche would fail to do the same with the 718 EV?

Don’t get me wrong, I love my 718 GTS 4.0 but considering the magic Porsche have done with the Macan and Cayenne I doubt they’ll drop the ball on the next gen 718.

I’d be interested in what they do with a hybrid 911.

T1b

I hope they make it work but it would take literal magic to turn usual 2200kg+ EVs into an electric sports car weighing around 1500-1600kg. The tiny BMW i3 had to use a carbon tub to get its weight down and I don't see Porsche doing that with the Cayman platform due to cost

[Belfast Bap]

johnao said:

Belfast Bap said:

... A smaller lighter Taycan would be almost ideal if they can sort out the handling.

I haven’t yet driven an EV Taycan. What problems did you find with the handling, please?

It could be just my driving style but I found that it under steered terribly when pushing it on. Yes it weighs over 2200KG but it was a bit of a handful. Lovely car when wafting on a nice A road and a brilliant cruiser, range aside but as most of my journeys are less than 25 miles each way and I have a great coastal road I like to push on a bit when the conditions allowed and I found the Taycan sadly lacking. I just couldn’t get it to hook up in the same way that I can in other cars on the same road. Hopefully the Cayman EV will be different.

[Belfast Bap]

If it’s anything like this I’m in. Already have a charger installed at home and we have plenty in work. https://www.exhaustnotes.com.au/porsche-showcases-...

[Johnny5hoods]

I'm not a fan of EVs. I wouldn't have one if you paid me. And, as for paying a lot of money for a luxury good - a second car, that's meant for fun, on an automatic only EV? You must be joking!

Trump may get in this November. If he does, he says he's going to allow manufacturers to offer both EVs and ICEs throughout his administration and maybe beyond, depending who replaces him. He's not having any of this 80% by a certain date tosh.

Then we'll see what the manufacturers do.

Edited by Johnny5hoods on Thursday 4th April 19:26

[PinkHouse]

Johnny5hoods said:

I'm not a fan of EVs. I wouldn't have one if you paid me. And, as for paying a lot of money for a luxury good - a second car, that's meant for fun, on an automatic only EV? You must be joking!

Trump may get in this November. If he does, he says he's going to allow manufacturers to offer both EVs and ICEs throughout his administration and maybe beyond, depending who replaces him. He's not having any of this 80% by a certain date tosh.

Then we'll see what the manufacturers do.

Edited by Johnny5hoods on Thursday 4th April 19:26

Manufacturers are already adjusting and rolling back their EV targets. I see the current implementation of BEVs only being responsible for 10-20% of future personal cars in the West and even less worldwide

[KittyLitter]

Belfast Bap said:

If it’s anything like this I’m in. Already have a charger installed at home and we have plenty in work. https://www.exhaustnotes.com.au/porsche-showcases-...

It won't be anything like that.
Going by the latest spy shots this week it hasn't changed notably. The front grill is like that of the forthcoming 992.2 - looks odd in my opinion. Perhaps the interior might be where the step change is with a mini Taycan dash interior vibe.



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