£6k budget - 928, 944 or 924?
Discussion
OP: dont buy that car - in fact, dont deal with that company! The car is a joke and my honest opinion* is that the car is an overpriced spammed up pile of junk, from a company who specialise in bodging up piles of junk and trying to sell those abortions for comical prices!
Also, when I suggested buying a 924 Turbo for a little more it was to the poster immediately before who said that he was considering a 924. I have edited my post to make that clear.
* legal complaince!
Also, when I suggested buying a 924 Turbo for a little more it was to the poster immediately before who said that he was considering a 924. I have edited my post to make that clear.
* legal complaince!
This was for sale when I bought my first 924 S... I have to admire the fact that have not budged on their asking price in all that time...
Ref the 2.0 Le Mans, completely agree with what's been said - as for the ad, to bang on about a limited addition model that is less than original and then charge strong money for it, beggars belief. In my view there are plenty of cars out there in your budget, OP, and that's not one of them.
Ref the 2.0 Le Mans, completely agree with what's been said - as for the ad, to bang on about a limited addition model that is less than original and then charge strong money for it, beggars belief. In my view there are plenty of cars out there in your budget, OP, and that's not one of them.
PawnSacrifice said:
This was for sale when I bought my first 924 S... I have to admire the fact that have not budged on their asking price in all that time...
Dear God, that's nasty. 
PawnSacrifice said:
Ref the 2.0 Le Mans, completely agree with what's been said - as for the ad, to bang on about a limited addition model that is less than original and then charge strong money for it, beggars belief. In my view there are plenty of cars out there in your budget, OP, and that's not one of them.
Point taken (thanks all) and I will avoid and look elsewhere.Like this one - nice to find one that isn't red. Any thoughts?
http://www.riversideautos.co.uk/used-cars/porsche-...
Seeker UK said:
Like this one - nice to find one that isn't red. Any thoughts?
Oi! I have 2 red ones... so I know what you mean 
As for the car, a friend sent me a link to this one the other week, looks good. The spec they've listed isn't right - no leather or airbags - minor points but suggests they don't know the car very well. If the mileage and condition are good then I actually think the price is quite good given it has a warranty - although I'd never expect to pay asking price.
Aside from the usual checks the rear decals are not original and are a little randomly placed, not sure whether that would mean a full respray (the car looks in good nick in the pictures) or just the rear (the side decals look okay). The front bumper looks a little down on the OS. If the spec is right about the immobiliser check it all works okay - I believe they can be problematic, but it wouldn't put me off.
Definitely worth a look, in my opinion. A call at the very least.
I've been through the lot (kinda)
924 lux
924 auto
924 turbo
928S auto
944 auto
944 lux
944 turbo
On your budget, you're beyond the 924, it's a cracking little car and I do kinda want one again, but it's not what you're after believe me, you'll soon yearn for more.
928 is a lot of car, but unless you're absolutely flooring it, it doesn't feel all that fast. It moves quickly, but there is no sensation in there, the V8 moves you forward well enough but it's a big comfy tourer, very thirsty and the length of the drive belt and size of the fuse board are scary big. A lot to go wrong.
You have the cash to have the pick of any 944 you like.
The 2 to consider is the S2 or the Turbo.
I upgraded my 2.5lux to a Turbo a year ago and... I kinda regret it.
Don't get me wrong it's an amazing car, but on so many roads it just doesn't feel at home.
Anything muddy or slippy becomes a nervy ride.
Anything slow highlights the lower compression and higher gear ratios.
Anything not in good condition highlights the stiff suspension.
I think on most roads, the S2 would be so much happier, I've never driven one but that silky power delivery sounds so appealing.
But, when you are on the right road, some open space, flat smooth and dry tarmac, the Turbo is an animal and it makes me genuinely giggle with excitement when I feel the boost.
I need to go drive mine now.
924 lux
924 auto
924 turbo
928S auto
944 auto
944 lux
944 turbo
On your budget, you're beyond the 924, it's a cracking little car and I do kinda want one again, but it's not what you're after believe me, you'll soon yearn for more.
928 is a lot of car, but unless you're absolutely flooring it, it doesn't feel all that fast. It moves quickly, but there is no sensation in there, the V8 moves you forward well enough but it's a big comfy tourer, very thirsty and the length of the drive belt and size of the fuse board are scary big. A lot to go wrong.
You have the cash to have the pick of any 944 you like.
The 2 to consider is the S2 or the Turbo.
I upgraded my 2.5lux to a Turbo a year ago and... I kinda regret it.
Don't get me wrong it's an amazing car, but on so many roads it just doesn't feel at home.
Anything muddy or slippy becomes a nervy ride.
Anything slow highlights the lower compression and higher gear ratios.
Anything not in good condition highlights the stiff suspension.
I think on most roads, the S2 would be so much happier, I've never driven one but that silky power delivery sounds so appealing.
But, when you are on the right road, some open space, flat smooth and dry tarmac, the Turbo is an animal and it makes me genuinely giggle with excitement when I feel the boost.
I need to go drive mine now.
PawnSacrifice said:
If the mileage and condition are good then I actually think the price is quite good given it has a warranty - although I'd never expect to pay asking price.
I've been watching 'Wheeler Dealers' and 'Fast and Loud' over Christmas - I'll never offer the screen price again.;)PawnSacrifice said:
Aside from the usual checks the rear decals are not original and are a little randomly placed, not sure whether that would mean a full respray (the car looks in good nick in the pictures) or just the rear (the side decals look okay). The front bumper looks a little down on the OS. If the spec is right about the immobiliser check it all works okay - I believe they can be problematic, but it wouldn't put me off.
Definitely worth a look, in my opinion. A call at the very least.
Thanks for that. That sort of input is exactly why I like this place.Definitely worth a look, in my opinion. A call at the very least.
Seeker UK said:
Point taken (thanks all) and I will avoid and look elsewhere.
Like this one - nice to find one that isn't red. Any thoughts?
http://www.riversideautos.co.uk/used-cars/porsche-...
Looks nice enough, bit pricy though. Expensive if clutch / belts / waterpump need doing soon. Would have to be a very nice 924s to get me anywhere near 3kLike this one - nice to find one that isn't red. Any thoughts?
http://www.riversideautos.co.uk/used-cars/porsche-...
I have just faced a very similar dilemma to the OP and had set the same max budget of £6k. I had considered an e36 M3, a NA VX220 or maybe even stretching to a 996, however after lots of research I settled on a shortlist of 944T, S2 or a 968s.
I viewed all three and quickly discounted the 968s as due to the prices of CS cars dragging up the prices of sports I realised decent examples were probably out of my budget and not worth the extra price over a 944 (to me) even though I prefer the looks.
I drove a reasonable S2 and it did feel very swift and the engine nice and crisp, but I wasn't convinced about the car itself so walked away. Then on NYE I viewed the car now sat on my drive; a beaut of an early 944T 220bhp model. I was prepared to buy either a tubby or an S2, but the most important aspect to me is the car had to be right. I.E. an excellent recent maintenance record (and by recent I mean the last 5-10 years), no rust and enthusiast owned. Admitted my car isn't perfect, but it has no rust, a huge pile of bills with lots of recent work and the last three owners have been true enthusiasts. This is a critical point in my book as it means they have been prepared to spend money on the car where required.
As I say it's not perfect, but I've not found one yet. However mine was great value at a shade under 5k and doesn't require all that much work for it to be the perfect car to me. That said I am a fussy sod and I'm handy with the spanners so am quite prepared to spend a grand or so on bits as I know the car is well worth it!
I hadn't bargained on buying one at this time of year, but to be honest the car was simply too good not to buy!
View them, drive them and buy the best car you can find/afford! But do your research and be prepared to did your hand in your pocket for maintenance. Because parts are quite expensive and labour rates high, you'll find that various jobs tend to be tackled over several years. Trust me from the history with my car it doesn't take much work the bills to approach the thick end of £1k for fairly routine stuff!..
Hopefully this pic of my new toy at yesterday's Sunday Service will offer you a bit of inspiration
I viewed all three and quickly discounted the 968s as due to the prices of CS cars dragging up the prices of sports I realised decent examples were probably out of my budget and not worth the extra price over a 944 (to me) even though I prefer the looks.
I drove a reasonable S2 and it did feel very swift and the engine nice and crisp, but I wasn't convinced about the car itself so walked away. Then on NYE I viewed the car now sat on my drive; a beaut of an early 944T 220bhp model. I was prepared to buy either a tubby or an S2, but the most important aspect to me is the car had to be right. I.E. an excellent recent maintenance record (and by recent I mean the last 5-10 years), no rust and enthusiast owned. Admitted my car isn't perfect, but it has no rust, a huge pile of bills with lots of recent work and the last three owners have been true enthusiasts. This is a critical point in my book as it means they have been prepared to spend money on the car where required.
As I say it's not perfect, but I've not found one yet. However mine was great value at a shade under 5k and doesn't require all that much work for it to be the perfect car to me. That said I am a fussy sod and I'm handy with the spanners so am quite prepared to spend a grand or so on bits as I know the car is well worth it!
I hadn't bargained on buying one at this time of year, but to be honest the car was simply too good not to buy!
View them, drive them and buy the best car you can find/afford! But do your research and be prepared to did your hand in your pocket for maintenance. Because parts are quite expensive and labour rates high, you'll find that various jobs tend to be tackled over several years. Trust me from the history with my car it doesn't take much work the bills to approach the thick end of £1k for fairly routine stuff!..
Hopefully this pic of my new toy at yesterday's Sunday Service will offer you a bit of inspiration
Richair said:
I have just faced a very similar dilemma to the OP and had set the same max budget of £6k. I had considered an e36 M3, a NA VX220 or maybe even stretching to a 996, however after lots of research I settled on a shortlist of 944T, S2 or a 968s.
I viewed all three and quickly discounted the 968s as due to the prices of CS cars dragging up the prices of sports I realised decent examples were probably out of my budget and not worth the extra price over a 944 (to me) even though I prefer the looks.
I drove a reasonable S2 and it did feel very swift and the engine nice and crisp, but I wasn't convinced about the car itself so walked away. Then on NYE I viewed the car now sat on my drive; a beaut of an early 944T 220bhp model. I was prepared to buy either a tubby or an S2, but the most important aspect to me is the car had to be right. I.E. an excellent recent maintenance record (and by recent I mean the last 5-10 years), no rust and enthusiast owned. Admitted my car isn't perfect, but it has no rust, a huge pile of bills with lots of recent work and the last three owners have been true enthusiasts. This is a critical point in my book as it means they have been prepared to spend money on the car where required.
As I say it's not perfect, but I've not found one yet. However mine was great value at a shade under 5k and doesn't require all that much work for it to be the perfect car to me. That said I am a fussy sod and I'm handy with the spanners so am quite prepared to spend a grand or so on bits as I know the car is well worth it!
I hadn't bargained on buying one at this time of year, but to be honest the car was simply too good not to buy!
View them, drive them and buy the best car you can find/afford! But do your research and be prepared to did your hand in your pocket for maintenance. Because parts are quite expensive and labour rates high, you'll find that various jobs tend to be tackled over several years. Trust me from the history with my car it doesn't take much work the bills to approach the thick end of £1k for fairly routine stuff!..
Hopefully this pic of my new toy at yesterday's Sunday Service will offer you a bit of inspiration
I love it. You're right too good to pass up on and they look so much cooler with the retro tele dialsI viewed all three and quickly discounted the 968s as due to the prices of CS cars dragging up the prices of sports I realised decent examples were probably out of my budget and not worth the extra price over a 944 (to me) even though I prefer the looks.
I drove a reasonable S2 and it did feel very swift and the engine nice and crisp, but I wasn't convinced about the car itself so walked away. Then on NYE I viewed the car now sat on my drive; a beaut of an early 944T 220bhp model. I was prepared to buy either a tubby or an S2, but the most important aspect to me is the car had to be right. I.E. an excellent recent maintenance record (and by recent I mean the last 5-10 years), no rust and enthusiast owned. Admitted my car isn't perfect, but it has no rust, a huge pile of bills with lots of recent work and the last three owners have been true enthusiasts. This is a critical point in my book as it means they have been prepared to spend money on the car where required.
As I say it's not perfect, but I've not found one yet. However mine was great value at a shade under 5k and doesn't require all that much work for it to be the perfect car to me. That said I am a fussy sod and I'm handy with the spanners so am quite prepared to spend a grand or so on bits as I know the car is well worth it!
I hadn't bargained on buying one at this time of year, but to be honest the car was simply too good not to buy!
View them, drive them and buy the best car you can find/afford! But do your research and be prepared to did your hand in your pocket for maintenance. Because parts are quite expensive and labour rates high, you'll find that various jobs tend to be tackled over several years. Trust me from the history with my car it doesn't take much work the bills to approach the thick end of £1k for fairly routine stuff!..
Hopefully this pic of my new toy at yesterday's Sunday Service will offer you a bit of inspiration
Admittedly I've not had it one ramps yet, but from crawling underneath it I've not found any yet! Obviously the proof will be when I have it in the air and start stripping bits off it...
I've had the vent trims out in the shuts and certainly I couldn't find any, but I've not had a camera down them. This car did have some minor rust on the sills, but this has been recently addressed by a reputable (old school) bodyshop. Time will obviously tell on this though!
There's a very nice grey low mileage S2 available from a dealer in Sutton Coldfield that is very worth a look; under the body was spotless and the pain was very good too. It had a bit of a minor transaxle leak and it was due brake discs and pads all round IMO but it's a beauty! It just wasn't the car for me as it was a little more than I wanted to spend (due to the low mileage it was due a few big bills IMO, admittedly from a reasonably brief inspection).
Thanks for the kind words, I do love the dished teledials! That and the red pinstriped sport interior, as a child of the 80's it doesn't get much better for me
I've had the vent trims out in the shuts and certainly I couldn't find any, but I've not had a camera down them. This car did have some minor rust on the sills, but this has been recently addressed by a reputable (old school) bodyshop. Time will obviously tell on this though!
There's a very nice grey low mileage S2 available from a dealer in Sutton Coldfield that is very worth a look; under the body was spotless and the pain was very good too. It had a bit of a minor transaxle leak and it was due brake discs and pads all round IMO but it's a beauty! It just wasn't the car for me as it was a little more than I wanted to spend (due to the low mileage it was due a few big bills IMO, admittedly from a reasonably brief inspection).
Thanks for the kind words, I do love the dished teledials! That and the red pinstriped sport interior, as a child of the 80's it doesn't get much better for me
edh said:
Richair said:
Admitted my car isn't perfect, but it has no rust,
I bet it has.....somewhereLooks really nice though, have you had a camera in the sills?
I believe that the new owner had new engine mounts as well as belts before he sold it.
Yes I've spoken with Andy about the car via TIPEC, I'd exchanged a few messages with him before viewing which had me pretty excited about it tbh. Everything checked out well on the viewing and so far the car seems like a good buy.
The last owner, Olly (a PH'er) had to let it go after a very short time due to a divorce but not only had he had the belts, mounts and service done but she's also sporting a full set of new contisport boots.
The first jobs on the list are a new Dansk back box, 968 castor mounts, front bushes and probably Bilstein B6's all round. I'm also planning to fit a new HG prior to a few business end tweaks... I'm hoping this car will be a lot of fun!
The last owner, Olly (a PH'er) had to let it go after a very short time due to a divorce but not only had he had the belts, mounts and service done but she's also sporting a full set of new contisport boots.
The first jobs on the list are a new Dansk back box, 968 castor mounts, front bushes and probably Bilstein B6's all round. I'm also planning to fit a new HG prior to a few business end tweaks... I'm hoping this car will be a lot of fun!
Wastegate shims? Replacement dual port wastegate?
The front bushes are no longer available in theory unless youre buying a whole new wishbone. Type911 have them listed but theyre extremely expensive for that they are. I had PU bushes fitted to match my 968 castor mounts, but theyre far harsher than Id have preferred.
Im enthusiastic about Dansk exhausts for normally aspirated cars, but Im not convinced about one for a Turbo yet. Id pick Janspeed given the choice, but whilst there are several people advertising them, Janspeed will only supply batches so getting one isn't as easy as it appears.
The front bushes are no longer available in theory unless youre buying a whole new wishbone. Type911 have them listed but theyre extremely expensive for that they are. I had PU bushes fitted to match my 968 castor mounts, but theyre far harsher than Id have preferred.
Im enthusiastic about Dansk exhausts for normally aspirated cars, but Im not convinced about one for a Turbo yet. Id pick Janspeed given the choice, but whilst there are several people advertising them, Janspeed will only supply batches so getting one isn't as easy as it appears.
Well just to add my view which is limited because I only bought my 944 2.5 lux last year but I knew the car 2 years ago or so and I had almost given up on finding a really nice one for a good price.
It came with a starting problem that clealy had upset the last two owners and I found it was that some idiot had fitted the imobiliser by just twisting the wires together! Plus the near new Dansk full exhaust was leaking from its welded joints making the car sound like an old wreck. I had resued a good car from people who dont know how to care for a classic.
It has been reliable and fun to drive but the bills from 2 years ago for a whacking £3750 for a years ownership told the tale that that owner had bitten the bullet.
I used to think that 924,s were lame slow coupes, that is until my daughter raced one in the BRSCC championship and I was mighty impressed and see them as a car that grips and handles way better than many moderns.
The style is a matter of opinion, I love the look of mine but I would kill to own a 924 Carrera GT.
It came with a starting problem that clealy had upset the last two owners and I found it was that some idiot had fitted the imobiliser by just twisting the wires together! Plus the near new Dansk full exhaust was leaking from its welded joints making the car sound like an old wreck. I had resued a good car from people who dont know how to care for a classic.
It has been reliable and fun to drive but the bills from 2 years ago for a whacking £3750 for a years ownership told the tale that that owner had bitten the bullet.
I used to think that 924,s were lame slow coupes, that is until my daughter raced one in the BRSCC championship and I was mighty impressed and see them as a car that grips and handles way better than many moderns.
The style is a matter of opinion, I love the look of mine but I would kill to own a 924 Carrera GT.
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