928 GT - worth?
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Can you not fit 944 S/S2 or 968 cams then? or does this not make any difference. I remember reading years ago that the exhaust manifolds were restrictive on the 928 no idea how true that is. Always had a soft spot for these but never really the desire to own one, a friend has a GT I wonder of I twist his arm will he let me drive the thing so I can scratch that itch.
NJH said:
Can you not fit 944 S/S2 or 968 cams then? or does this not make any difference. I remember reading years ago that the exhaust manifolds were restrictive on the 928 no idea how true that is. Always had a soft spot for these but never really the desire to own one, a friend has a GT I wonder of I twist his arm will he let me drive the thing so I can scratch that itch.
Think of the different firing order of the V8 to a I4 engine 
Drove my GTS last night, and was reminded again how good it a car it is...
blade7 said:
Bearing in mind the rear suspension setup does it handle better than your 944 ?
Hmm, tough question... Does it handle better - probably no. The 944 is superb at communicating through the chassis. It is also lighter, hence you can chuck it with abandon. However, the 928 is simply better at everything overall, as long as you place your trust in the chassis. The problem is that it does not convey that feeling of sharpness as well as the 944. On a open A-road the 928 flies and on the autobahn no 944 can live with it. Also, look at how Mark (BIG GT2 on here) keeps beating everyone in the Future Classics on a standard engine and £4k worth of Ohlins. Tony Dron also used to regularly spank the 911s and 944Cups in his 1987 S4 5-spd back in the days. blade7 said:
928's look like a grown up 944 to me with a nicer engine and rear suspension, but like the 944 Porsche made them play second fiddle to the 911.
It's not entirely the fault of Porsche management, in the 1970s Porsche didn't think the air-cooled 911 would pass stringent air quality regulations being introduced in the USA, so developed the 928, 924 and 944 models, then announced to staunch 911 owners and enthusiasts that their rear engined sports cars which they loved so much would be replaced by water cooled front engined cars, needless to say, the 911 owners and enthusiasts were having none of it. Now had Porsche management been less pig-headed and introduced the 928, 924 and 944 alongside the 911, then perhaps the newer generation of cars might have been slowly accepted into the clan rather than outright rejected, which was a crying shame because the 928 really was a well designed car, but it wasn't a 911!Fast forward 40 years and the Porsche 928 has aged very well indeed, and even now there are very few cars that are faster on the road whilst so well designed and built.
You really have to drive a 928 to appreciate just how good it is at what it does.
And unlike every other car I have owned, the 928 puts a massive smile on my face whenever I turn the key, start her up and the V8 engine kicks into life...
Bl**dy awesome
rich888 said:
It's not entirely the fault of Porsche management, in the 1970s Porsche didn't think the air-cooled 911 would pass stringent air quality regulations being introduced in the USA, so developed the 928, 924 and 944 models, then announced to staunch 911 owners and enthusiasts that their rear engined sports cars which they loved so much would be replaced by water cooled front engined cars, needless to say, the 911 owners and enthusiasts were having none of it. Now had Porsche management been less pig-headed and introduced the 928, 924 and 944 alongside the 911, then perhaps the newer generation of cars might have been slowly accepted into the clan rather than outright rejected, which was a crying shame because the 928 really was a well designed car, but it wasn't a 911!
Fast forward 40 years and the Porsche 928 has aged very well indeed, and even now there are very few cars that are faster on the road whilst so well designed and built.
You really have to drive a 928 to appreciate just how good it is at what it does.
And unlike every other car I have owned, the 928 puts a massive smile on my face whenever I turn the key, start her up and the V8 engine kicks into life...
Bl**dy awesome
..., agree, maybe that,s why Iv,e owned mine for 23 years now !
Fast forward 40 years and the Porsche 928 has aged very well indeed, and even now there are very few cars that are faster on the road whilst so well designed and built.
You really have to drive a 928 to appreciate just how good it is at what it does.
And unlike every other car I have owned, the 928 puts a massive smile on my face whenever I turn the key, start her up and the V8 engine kicks into life...
Bl**dy awesome
..., agree, maybe that,s why Iv,e owned mine for 23 years now !
rich888 said:
blade7 said:
928's look like a grown up 944 to me with a nicer engine and rear suspension, but like the 944 Porsche made them play second fiddle to the 911.
It's not entirely the fault of Porsche management, in the 1970s Porsche didn't think the air-cooled 911 would pass stringent air quality regulations being introduced in the USA, so developed the 928, 924 and 944 models, then announced to staunch 911 owners and enthusiasts that their rear engined sports cars which they loved so much would be replaced by water cooled front engined cars, needless to say, the 911 owners and enthusiasts were having none of it. Now had Porsche management been less pig-headed and introduced the 928, 924 and 944 alongside the 911, then perhaps the newer generation of cars might have been slowly accepted into the clan rather than outright rejected, which was a crying shame because the 928 really was a well designed car, but it wasn't a 911!Edited by blade7 on Sunday 26th July 13:14
blade7 said:
Yes the 944T and 928 could have out performed the 911 without too much development and put the 911 out to grass but Porsche would never have allowed that. It's the same with the Cayman today.
Actually it was the other way around. In the '80s/early '90s Porsche wanted to 'kill off' the 911 in favour of the conventional front-engine, water-cooled models. But, it was customer demand and the 911 heritage that saw the 911 domination win over.Edited by blade7 on Sunday 26th July 13:14
I can see why some people like the 944/928 era cars, but if the value of these start increasing to heady heights, then it's further evidence that the market is reaching a very flimsy level, IMO.
Koln-RS said:
I can see why some people like the 944/928 era cars, but if the value of these start increasing to heady heights, then it's further evidence that the market is reaching a very flimsy level, IMO.
Depends how you define heady heights ? They have been very cheap for a long time and demand for certain models is now out stripping supply, I don't see them getting anywhere near air cooled 911 money though so if/when the crash comes it wont be as dramatic for the 944T/928.Koln-RS said:
Actually it was the other way around. In the '80s/early '90s Porsche wanted to 'kill off' the 911 in favour of the conventional front-engine, water-cooled models. But, it was customer demand and the 911 heritage that saw the 911 domination win over.
I can see why some people like the 944/928 era cars, but if the value of these start increasing to heady heights, then it's further evidence that the market is reaching a very flimsy level, IMO.
Porsche initially wanted the front engined cars to kill the 911 off but it survived partly because of ongoing public demand, but mainly due to the appointment of Peter Schutz who reinstated Ferry at Zuffenhausen and restablished the 911 as the company's most important model.I can see why some people like the 944/928 era cars, but if the value of these start increasing to heady heights, then it's further evidence that the market is reaching a very flimsy level, IMO.
In the 1970s Porsche realised that the 911 in it's current form would not pass future emission regulations in the USA (especially California) so embarked on designing a replacement model which was the 928, unfortunately the arabs ramped up the prices of oil in the mid 1970s which caused utter chaos across the western world, so Porsche held back on releasing the 928 which was a fuel guzzling water-cooled 4.5 litre V8, and instead unveiled the 924 which wasn't.
Porsche then introduced the 928 in 1977 which was won car of the year which was a first for a sports car, as a footnote I managed a spin out in one of the original 928 models with the check pattern interior (have a couple of photos somewhere) and was very impressed, the owner also owned a Porsche 911 and Ferrari 308 GTB.
The 928 was worlds apart from the 911 which was in many eyes a genuine drivers car, and though the 928 was a more luxurious car, it had almost perfect weight balance so handled extremely well, which unlike the 911 which for reasons beyond comprehension had the engine mounted outside of the rear axle. Even my 2 year old could fathom that this isn't the best pace to put a big heavy engine in a sports car!
Am led to believe that Porsche raced the 911 against the 928 for a few years until they noticed that the 928s were doing too well and cornered faster than their flawed counterparts due to the better weight distribution, so discontinued the race series before causing more embarrassment to the 911 brand which was inherently flawed in the handling department.
The original 928 was fitted out with a 4.5 litre V8 with about 240 BHP which wasn't exactly the fastest on the road, Porsche then increased the engine size to 4.7 litre with the release of the 928 S with 300 BHP, and the 928 S2 with 310 BHP, before increasing the engine size to 5.0 and 320 BHP with the release of the 928 S4. The GT was unveiled in manual only configuration with a slight increase in BHP to 330 BHP, before finally increasing the engine size to 5.4 litre with the faster GTS which was available in both manual and auto configurations together with an increase in power to 350 BHP. It was the massive increase in the torque of the larger engines that really made a substantial difference to cross-country performance and overtaking as any GTS owner will vouch for.
With acceleration and top speeds well into super-car territory, but unlike most italian super cars of the day like the Countach and Testarossa, the 928 could be used on a daily basis.
The 911 is in a totally different market, the design is older, the engine hangs out beyond the rear axle, the dashboard is an ergonomic mess, it is truly agricultural, it demands total and utter concentration whether driving fast or slow, and it doesn't suffer fools who lift off mid-corner, and this is what makes it so unique, it is so 911.
The 911 and 928 are like chalk and cheese.
Porsche then introduced the 928 in 1977 which was won car of the year which was a first for a sports car, as a footnote I managed a spin out in one of the original 928 models with the check pattern interior (have a couple of photos somewhere) and was very impressed, the owner also owned a Porsche 911 and Ferrari 308 GTB.
The 928 was worlds apart from the 911 which was in many eyes a genuine drivers car, and though the 928 was a more luxurious car, it had almost perfect weight balance so handled extremely well, which unlike the 911 which for reasons beyond comprehension had the engine mounted outside of the rear axle. Even my 2 year old could fathom that this isn't the best pace to put a big heavy engine in a sports car!
Am led to believe that Porsche raced the 911 against the 928 for a few years until they noticed that the 928s were doing too well and cornered faster than their flawed counterparts due to the better weight distribution, so discontinued the race series before causing more embarrassment to the 911 brand which was inherently flawed in the handling department.
The original 928 was fitted out with a 4.5 litre V8 with about 240 BHP which wasn't exactly the fastest on the road, Porsche then increased the engine size to 4.7 litre with the release of the 928 S with 300 BHP, and the 928 S2 with 310 BHP, before increasing the engine size to 5.0 and 320 BHP with the release of the 928 S4. The GT was unveiled in manual only configuration with a slight increase in BHP to 330 BHP, before finally increasing the engine size to 5.4 litre with the faster GTS which was available in both manual and auto configurations together with an increase in power to 350 BHP. It was the massive increase in the torque of the larger engines that really made a substantial difference to cross-country performance and overtaking as any GTS owner will vouch for.
With acceleration and top speeds well into super-car territory, but unlike most italian super cars of the day like the Countach and Testarossa, the 928 could be used on a daily basis.
The 911 is in a totally different market, the design is older, the engine hangs out beyond the rear axle, the dashboard is an ergonomic mess, it is truly agricultural, it demands total and utter concentration whether driving fast or slow, and it doesn't suffer fools who lift off mid-corner, and this is what makes it so unique, it is so 911.
The 911 and 928 are like chalk and cheese.
Edited by rich888 on Monday 27th July 19:21
Hi chaps
New to the Porsche forums on PH. I normally hang out on the Lotus or Jaguar parts. I have seen a 928 S4 advertised at 88,000 miles, 4 owners and an asking price of £18,995.00. I've always liked them (which I know will be anathema to the die hard 911 fans). Is this a realistic price level for one of these cars?
Any thoughts appreciated.
New to the Porsche forums on PH. I normally hang out on the Lotus or Jaguar parts. I have seen a 928 S4 advertised at 88,000 miles, 4 owners and an asking price of £18,995.00. I've always liked them (which I know will be anathema to the die hard 911 fans). Is this a realistic price level for one of these cars?
Any thoughts appreciated.
Stephanie Plum said:
Hi chaps
New to the Porsche forums on PH. I normally hang out on the Lotus or Jaguar parts. I have seen a 928 S4 advertised at 88,000 miles, 4 owners and an asking price of £18,995.00. I've always liked them (which I know will be anathema to the die hard 911 fans). Is this a realistic price level for one of these cars?
Any thoughts appreciated.
Totally dependant on condition.New to the Porsche forums on PH. I normally hang out on the Lotus or Jaguar parts. I have seen a 928 S4 advertised at 88,000 miles, 4 owners and an asking price of £18,995.00. I've always liked them (which I know will be anathema to the die hard 911 fans). Is this a realistic price level for one of these cars?
Any thoughts appreciated.
Fair point. I'm learning more but am also actively looking for an E Type so my mind is boggled at the moment with trying to absorb information. Can you recommend any good guides to the 928 that I can read? I am ploughing my way through all relevant PH threads - which would be the best Porsche specific forum I could join?
Edited to say I have found 928.org.uk
Edited to say I have found 928.org.uk
Edited by Stephanie Plum on Friday 23 October 22:13
Get added to this mailing group http://www.928.org.uk. Try and find a guy for sale through these guys
Call Paul Anderson - 928 guru in UK
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Call Paul Anderson - 928 guru in UK
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I sold my 928 GT recently for less than that. I would emphasise buy the best you can afford and get a guru to inspect it, some parts can be expensive. A truely great car and a great Porsche. Very comfortable, fast, and stable, it would make a nice driver to take on a European drive and my GT used give an indicated almost 25 mpg on such runs.
Stephanie Plum said:
Popped in today - sold at £18,500. I was too late but there'll be a better one out there I'm sure. On the bright side I may have found an E Type today
at that price point it sounds a good mid-level car. Solid running S4's now seem to price between £8K upto £25K for the very best.I've found the S4 superb as a daily driver, and the GT extra invigorating and capable for weekends and holidays.
Good luck with the E Type
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