Macan, worth it?

[ghost83]

PhantomPH said:

Wish I could have been in a position to retire at 28...

Tell me about it wish I could tbh but got a wife 2 kids and a house to support

Oh well

[CJN]

ghost83 said:

Always liked the quirky look of the macan but always thought they weee more than they were,
Are residuals really that good?
Are they worth the extra over the Mercedes glc or the evoque? Obviously near gts spec and turbo spec you're also in Range Rover sport territory and even cayenne territory,

Also what are lead times as I've got 18 month to run but heard there's upto 20 month to wait

Also what are they like to live with I've got 2 young kids who at the time of purchase would be 6 and 3, plenty of room?
Currently got a mk7 gti and it's obviously on the small side but manageable

Going down to look at Porsche in Leeds this week to have a gander but would rather hear ph opinions on the car as you lot will be far more honest than any salesman.

My petrol S is the best car I've ever owned. I'm getting really bad at silently judging every other car that I get a lift in. E.g. My boss's Mercedes GL 63, slightly st interior, handles like a truck, makes agreat noise, should've bought a Porsche

[7184c]

I’ve been keeping an eye on Macans as I may change my 981c now there are three of us in the family.

I wouldn’t consider a 2.0 so have been looking at the S and above. I think the 3.0 would be ideal.

There seem to be very few for sale and residuals seem to be very strong, to my eye better than 718 or 991 standard models. Can anyone enlighten me why there are so many turbos for sale but minimal GTS or S. There seem to be a few that are hanging around at dealers - are they not very flexible on price at this time of year?

Ideally I want something for 40k but it looks like something with half decent spec and colour and without a 4yr service this year is the wrong side of 45k.

Has anyone else bought a used petrol s and what were your experiences /thoughts on the market for thes or did anyone consider and then go new based on the limited selection.

[CJN]

I bought my 2014 3.0s petrol last March here in Australia and i love it. The full fat turbos command roughly 25% more cash like for like over the S. The 2.0 wasn't out when i bought mine but i wouldn't have considered it or the diesel. I'd have loved the turbo but my budget wasn't big enough. I'd suggest in the UK that the turbos hang around because of the fuel cost.

[Cheib]

7184c said:

There seem to be very few for sale and residuals seem to be very strong, to my eye better than 718 or 991 standard models. Can anyone enlighten me why there are so many turbos for sale but minimal GTS or S. There seem to be a few that are hanging around at dealers - are they not very flexible on price at this time of year?

Residuals are indeed very strong....I think they started making the GTS later than the Turbo which may be part of the reason.

Porsche dealer are just not very flexible on price....ultimately Porsche make a lot less cars then their competitors and there are less than 40 dealers.

That said once you do buy a car those dynamics mean depreciation is a lot lower than the competition. You can get some ridiculous lease deals from the likes of BMW and Audi but the overall ownership cost is normally higher (unless you get a ridiculous lease deal which those manufacturers so sometimes offer but they tend not to be on the likes of the Q5 or X3).

[DJMC]

ghost83 said:

What did it do? The x3 has a partial autonomous driving mode

Slammed the brakes on with maximum force when it saw a totally harmless truck approaching from the opposite direction on an A road.

Both my son and I were thrown forward, with me shouting "F***"

The car stopped in a straight line fortunately on a dry-ish road.

Collision avoidance was subsequently turned down from Max to Medium in settings. Already set to max on collection when new.

[PhantomPH]

DJMC said:

ghost83 said:

What did it do? The x3 has a partial autonomous driving mode

Slammed the brakes on with maximum force when it saw a totally harmless truck approaching from the opposite direction on an A road.

Both my son and I were thrown forward, with me shouting "F***"

The car stopped in a straight line fortunately on a dry-ish road.

Collision avoidance was subsequently turned down from Max to Medium in settings. Already set to max on collection when new.

Had the exact same thing happen to me a couple of weeks ago in my S5 - except this time the 30mph road curved around to the right with parking spots (that were full) down the left outside line of the bend in the road. Not a sharp or blind bend - just a variable degree continuous curve. Good line of sight etc etc.

Suddenly the car slammed it's brakes on and a huge 'bong' was emitted as the dash lit up with a warning sign.

I nearly shat. My initial thought was that the car (which is only 4 months old) had bitten the big one - something major had broken.

The reality is that (my best guess, anyway) because the road curved to the right, I was accelerating from a 20mph to the 30mph limit change and there were parked cars down the left, the car thought I was about to go straight on into an obstacle. Essentially the car 'took over' at the exact same time as I started turning the wheel to follow the curve in the road. Audi pre-sense kicked in and st me up something rotten!

It's a good job nobody was following me.

I went to turn the system off in the settings, but then had a crisis of whatever and just turned the sensitivity down instead....you now...just in case I need it one day! Ha ha

Cars being too smart for their own good.

[ghost83]

so just looking and engines aside

what equipment do you get standard on the gas over say the S as it doesn't really say anywhere

does it come with nav and bluetooth?

also what options are worth having on either gts or S as the options list is different between them by the looks of it

[FWIW]

Our GTS is being sold back to Porsche in the next week or so, unless anyone wants it for a monkey over trade...

[ghost83]

FWIW said:

Our GTS is being sold back to Porsche in the next week or so, unless anyone wants it for a monkey over trade...

How come?

[FWIW]

ghost83 said:

How come?

Changing for a smaller/less expensive car.

[MOBB]

Mrs MOBB this week bought a new, in-stock Diesel Macan S, pretty high spec, she was given a £6.5k discount and they also swapped the 20" wheels that were on it for 21" ones from a demo car FOC.

Had to be concluded that day and picked up Friday. Diesel Macan sales ban possible from 1st March, panic stations!

She was going to place an order to her spec and wait, but this was a bit of a steal

[Spindoctor]

ghost83 said:

... also what options are worth having on either gts or S as the options list is different between them by the looks of it

Its a personal thing, but most owners on the Macan forum will agree that these are either useful, necessary, experience-enhancing or just fun:

Pan roof
Bi-xenon or LED lights
PASM or air suspension
19, 20 or 21" wheels
Full or part leather
Heated seats, maybe heated steering wheel
Reversing camera or surround camera
14 or 18-way seats (try them all first)
Spare wheel
The so-called smokers pack

Some of the above are options on the S but standard on the GTS. Best to use the confuserator to check and to compare total costs inc options between the two models.

Some people will insist other options are must-haves, but it depends on your taste, priorities and budget. Its very easy to go over the top but obviously you are unlikely to see the value of the options come back when you sell it on.

Lots more info about this on the owners forum.

[Miopyk]

I’m on my second Macan, the first of which was a petrol S that arrived in July 14. I kept it nearly 2 years and sold it back to the dealer having lost £4K. My second is a GTS and I can’t see another car out there that beats it on price, performance, equipment and driver appeal. We’re fortunate enough to have a 981 Cayman as well so feel we’ve got the perfect combination of practicality and fun with both.

I know lots of people hate SUVs especially Porsche SUVs but in the same way they spent decades taming the 911 they’ve managed to produce a minor miracle in the way the Macan handles. It’s also the bargain in the Porsche range. Look at how much many of the extras are on the other models and then look at how much they are on the Macan, I’m not sure why the radar cruise on the Panamara is twice as expensive as the Macan as the components have to be the same or similar.

You can buy a fast Merc or AUDI estate and they probably handle better and go faster but they look like every other Merc and AUDI on the road. Having said that I suspect that 90% of the driving public think the Macan is a Kia or Hyundai so it has a certain degree of anonymity until you excelerate of course.

I have thought about chopping it in for something else but currently the only thing that appeals to me right now is another Macan so will probably keep the one I’ve got for a bit longer.

[Cheib]

Given what's been said above and what looks like a few dealers registering cars before the 1st March deadline I wonder if there will be deals to be had at the end of March given quarter end is always important for dealers. Kind of tempted as with the factory shutdown volumes will be limited so the strong residuals should be even stronger!

[snorkel sucker]

Prices, particularly the diesels, seem to have dropped since last summer (when I was considering one). There wasn't really anything within the OPC network back then under £40k but there are a few closer to £35k now albeit standard spec / zero options.

Has anybody got any thoughts regarding residuals over the next 2-3 years? £20k, £25k for a 5 year old 60k miles SD?

[Cheib]

snorkel sucker said:

Prices, particularly the diesels, seem to have dropped since last summer (when I was considering one). There wasn't really anything within the OPC network back then under £40k but there are a few closer to £35k now albeit standard spec / zero options.

Has anybody got any thoughts regarding residuals over the next 2-3 years? £20k, £25k for a 5 year old 60k miles SD?

Residuals will suffer with the expected replacement due in the next 12 months.

Unfortunately the demise of the diesel is going to be a bit of a lose/lose for residuals. They are still building as many cars as previously so the production of petrol models has been significantly increased. Hasn't stopped my buying a petrol engined one though.

[snorkel sucker]

Cheib said:

snorkel sucker said:

Prices, particularly the diesels, seem to have dropped since last summer (when I was considering one). There wasn't really anything within the OPC network back then under £40k but there are a few closer to £35k now albeit standard spec / zero options.

Has anybody got any thoughts regarding residuals over the next 2-3 years? £20k, £25k for a 5 year old 60k miles SD?

Residuals will suffer with the expected replacement due in the next 12 months.

Unfortunately the demise of the diesel is going to be a bit of a lose/lose for residuals. They are still building as many cars as previously so the production of petrol models has been significantly increased. Hasn't stopped my buying a petrol engined one though.

I thought Porsche had done a u-turn on the diesel situation and are now saying they aren't ruling it out in the future, just for the time being?

[Cheib]

snorkel sucker said:

I thought Porsche had done a u-turn on the diesel situation and are now saying they aren't ruling it out in the future, just for the time being?

I think it's a medium term u-turn rather than a short term one. They've had to stop production across all three models with diesel engines at various times in the last year.

- Panamera V8 Diesel pulled after something like 6 months in production
- Cayenne V6 Diesel stopped production last summer due to reglatory issue in Germany. Production re-started at the end of last year for the old model but no clarity on diesel in new Cayenne. V8 diesel was still being produced in old model during that period.
- Macan diesel production just pulled unexpectedly.

I honestly don't think they've got a clue what's going on with diesel at the moment...I haven't read about Audi or VW pulling diesel production so no idea why it's just Porsche.

[red_slr]

So it seems that Porsche are *not* showing the MY19 Macan at GMS?

Only EV Macan concept which is years away.

Anyone know any more?