944T/968 how many years owned?
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rootsandculture said:
Still driving my 944 t daily in London for the moment, I reckon the classic insurance offsets the future ulez to a large degree
Good lad, well done. Interesting point about classic insurance. The insurance on my Cayman was a bit more than that on the 944 but not a lot more. Not enough to offset the ULEZ cost, for sure. Having said that, I never had proper classic insurance on my 944 as it was kept on the road and was an only car which meant that classic insurers wouldn't cover it.
The economics would also depend upon how often you use the car and hence how much ULEZ charge you would end up paying. I'm jealous of you if you are keeping hold of your 951 though!
20 years. 968 now 3.0 8v turbo. Would love to do 16v one day but time is in short supply.
Lots of people who think they know what they are doing when tuning these cars (turbos) but very few who actually do. Most just do their R&D with your hard earned. Lots of stories of engines going bang over the years especially in the UK where the knowledge is limited and fragmented. It's easy to pick a pile of parts from a catalogue and put them together but not so easy to make them all work together in harmony. Even harder on a 968 when you need to sort all the cooling issues. At least everything is in the right place on the 951! Good fun when you get it right though
Lots of people who think they know what they are doing when tuning these cars (turbos) but very few who actually do. Most just do their R&D with your hard earned. Lots of stories of engines going bang over the years especially in the UK where the knowledge is limited and fragmented. It's easy to pick a pile of parts from a catalogue and put them together but not so easy to make them all work together in harmony. Even harder on a 968 when you need to sort all the cooling issues. At least everything is in the right place on the 951! Good fun when you get it right though
.As you may be able to guess from my user name, I have owned a 968 Clubsport. I sold a late bridge spoiler M030 944S2 with an LSD to buy it and in many ways wished I hadn't and that's because I had the 968CS as my only car and so had to use it for all occasions and it was a pain. Mine had the fixed back Recaros which made getting in and out a struggle and then there was the lack of air-con which on a summer trip almost killed me in a stationary traffic jam on a Swiss motorway!!
All that said, I owned it for 5 years and if used for what it was meant for it was a hoot. One particular track day at Bedford Autodrome sticks in the mind where I was black flagged and when I came in looking puzzled I was advised to slow down as my four wheel drifts were looking pretty full on around the final right hand bend on to the pit-straight. It was so easy, and trust me that isn't the kind of thing I do!!
A great car if you can afford to have it as a toy and use it on track. Sadly, I don't suppose many 968CSs get used that way now.
As a regular road car the 944 was much easier to life with. Biggest regret (now) was selling the CS for £19k! Mind you, I sold a completely restored Mk1 RS2000 for £2,500K back in the day
All that said, I owned it for 5 years and if used for what it was meant for it was a hoot. One particular track day at Bedford Autodrome sticks in the mind where I was black flagged and when I came in looking puzzled I was advised to slow down as my four wheel drifts were looking pretty full on around the final right hand bend on to the pit-straight. It was so easy, and trust me that isn't the kind of thing I do!!
A great car if you can afford to have it as a toy and use it on track. Sadly, I don't suppose many 968CSs get used that way now.
As a regular road car the 944 was much easier to life with. Biggest regret (now) was selling the CS for £19k! Mind you, I sold a completely restored Mk1 RS2000 for £2,500K back in the day
blade7 said:
I've always wonder how different a 968CS is to drive, compared to a similar spec late 944 turbo?
Good 944S2 to a 968 was not much of a jump at all. The S2 was lighter and had only a small amount less power. There was more engine excitement from the 968 as it had the variocam doodah (and the one I drove had it working as well, which is not always the case.) I've never driven a 951 back-to-back with a 968 but I expect there would be more difference between the engines than anywhere else.
Anyone owns/ed the cabriolet versions (944/968)?
I quite like the looks and what with the rear seats (for children) I think it would be one way to get the whoke family out together on ocassion. But the indy that services my 997 suggested they're not that great to drive. I tend to respect his view as he is well reputed, has been in business for years and originally cut his teeth with the transaxle cars when he set up ~20+yrs ago.
There are very few cabriolets about and my time is limited, so would welcome some views on what they're like from actual owners.
blade7 said:
Gixer968CS said:
All that said, I owned it for 5 years and if used for what it was meant for it was a hoot. One particular track day at Bedford Autodrome sticks in the mind where I was black flagged and when I came in looking puzzled I was advised to slow down as my four wheel drifts were looking pretty full on around the final right hand bend on to the pit-straight. It was so easy, and trust me that isn't the kind of thing I do!!
I've always wonder how different a 968CS is to drive, compared to a similar spec late 944 turbo? - that the limited slip diff was an expensive and quite infrequent option on the 968, whereas it was standard on the late 944T
- that the 968 is much more linear and immediate in throttle response, weighed against the superior performance of even a 250hp 944T (and surely no-one with a K26/8 has less than about 290hp these days).
RiccardoG said:
Anyone owns/ed the cabriolet versions (944/968)?
I quite like the looks and what with the rear seats (for children) I think it would be one way to get the whoke family out together on ocassion. But the indy that services my 997 suggested they're not that great to drive. I tend to respect his view as he is well reputed, has been in business for years and originally cut his teeth with the transaxle cars when he set up ~20+yrs ago.
There are very few cabriolets about and my time is limited, so would welcome some views on what they're like from actual owners.
The rear seats are really extremely limited, and the cars are a lot less rigid than coupes, and expensive too. You can get a nice 944/968 coupe and some kind of proper four seat convertible like an E-Class Merc for the price of a 944/968 cabrio, and get best of both worldsI quite like the looks and what with the rear seats (for children) I think it would be one way to get the whoke family out together on ocassion. But the indy that services my 997 suggested they're not that great to drive. I tend to respect his view as he is well reputed, has been in business for years and originally cut his teeth with the transaxle cars when he set up ~20+yrs ago.
There are very few cabriolets about and my time is limited, so would welcome some views on what they're like from actual owners.
968CS since 2007 and still doing 2 or 3 track days per year, as intended when I bought it.
Sublime handling, and more than once got me out of jail when I've overcooked it.
Use to have supercharger on it, and use to embarrass a lot of modern cars, until it let go, now back to standard.
Every time I go now, someone always comes along and taps on the window, saying its too good to go on track! or wants to buy it.
It's a Keeper for sure
Sublime handling, and more than once got me out of jail when I've overcooked it.
Use to have supercharger on it, and use to embarrass a lot of modern cars, until it let go, now back to standard.
Every time I go now, someone always comes along and taps on the window, saying its too good to go on track! or wants to buy it.
It's a Keeper for sure
As always it depends greatly on what you want to achieve, personally I like the idea of a Mustang GT 5.0 convertible, get the rumbly V8 soundtrack with decent space etc. Going the other way we used to have an MX5. The problem for me with the 944/968 convertibles is that they are neither fish nor fowl sort of cars. For some they will work OK and some just love the way they look. For a long time there wasn't a plethora of cheap boxsters to choose from either so that kept interest in them high. Never held any attraction for me, completely loose the amazing relative practically of the 944/968 and its stifness, but don't gain any great sound or performance. They do look pretty though.
shawn 968cs said:
968CS since 2007 and still doing 2 or 3 track days per year, as intended when I bought it.
Sublime handling, and more than once got me out of jail when I've overcooked it.
Use to have supercharger on it, and use to embarrass a lot of modern cars, until it let go, now back to standard.
Every time I go now, someone always comes along and taps on the window, saying its too good to go on track! or wants to buy it.
It's a Keeper for sure
Good to hear you are still tracking your 968 Shawn must hook up on a track one day when I get back to tracking mine.Sublime handling, and more than once got me out of jail when I've overcooked it.
Use to have supercharger on it, and use to embarrass a lot of modern cars, until it let go, now back to standard.
Every time I go now, someone always comes along and taps on the window, saying its too good to go on track! or wants to buy it.
It's a Keeper for sure
Had a 944 Turbo since 1993,was without one from 96/97 till 03/04, Went to owning 3 at one point down two a more reasonable 2 now.Would like one as a minimum till i stop driving.
Owned my 968 CS racecar since 2011 broke it in 2014 needs lots of work will get around to it at some point.
Owned my 968 CS racecar since 2011 broke it in 2014 needs lots of work will get around to it at some point.
MarkKo said:
blade7 said:
I'm not usually a fan of red, but yours is a really nice car.
Thanks As an alround package it makes a nice road car still.Don't drive it nearly enough sadly next summer now the AC is back at full tilt!!!924S/944T/944S2 since early 2000's here...currently contemplating the end of my 944 ownership for a while.. (although I still fancy owning an early series 1 car on fuchs, so I'll leave that on my list)
GC8 said:
Why are you selling Ed?
Bit of rationalisation going on.... I lost my rented garage for the 944 so it's been living outside for the last 9 months. Not ideal. Decided to combine the 996 and 944 into a single car.. also missing having a convertible. Finally, I had a minor issue problem at the DN24 trackday which cost me the last 2 hours of track time, so am currently cross with the car .996 was sold 2 weeks ago, I'm picking up the 944 from Germany next week.A friend of mine is interested in the car, so I might retain visiting rights..
Current plan is to buy a 987 Boxster, fit proper seats, suspension, (plus oiling mods) so it can be a road / track car.
Medium term we have a plan to build a new house, including more garage space...
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