When is a Clubsport Not a Clubsport

When is a Clubsport Not a Clubsport

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Waylander

Original Poster:

24 posts

69 months

Friday 19th February
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Well again dealers are selling Porsche 968 U.K. sports as Clubsport at greatly inflated prices

Yes they have a CS chassis but they were modified by AFN the importer to have the Lux Pack, soft seats, electric windows ...

And registered in the U.K. as 968 sports, the certificate will say Clubsport but with lux pack

Don’t get ripped off thinking it’s a genuine CS, there were only 157 sold in the U.K.
306 Sports

If it has a key hole in the rear for the hatch, it’s a sport, and worth considerably less than a genuine CS

Buyers beware

Al U

1,949 posts

100 months

Friday 19th February
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Waylander said:
Well again dealers are selling Porsche 968 U.K. sports as Clubsport at greatly inflated prices

Yes they have a CS chassis but they were modified by AFN the importer to have the Lux Pack, soft seats, electric windows ...

And registered in the U.K. as 968 sports, the certificate will say Clubsport but with lux pack

Don’t get ripped off thinking it’s a genuine CS, there were only 157 sold in the U.K.
306 Sports

If it has a key hole in the rear for the hatch, it’s a sport, and worth considerably less than a genuine CS

Buyers beware
Surely if this is the case, getting the hole filled in on the hatch and having the panel repainted is going to be the way round that...

jakeb

235 posts

163 months

Friday 19th February
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They need my official LUX pack modification which comprises affixing a cut down HILUX badge to the rear!

Anything which is a MY94 car eg the later CUP2 alloys needs to be treated with suspicion when buying. There are definitely genuine cars out there but the majority of 94 cars with comfort seats are a Sport and will have rear seats or signs of rear seats being removed.

The MY93 cars (CUP1) had the option of comfort seats but rear seats were not available as an option and so will have the manual boot release behind the passenger seat and a blanked off boot lock as Mr Waylander says.

If you get a dealer to run a build sheet for you, a sport will have the P35 lux pack listed. Certificate of Genuine blar blar or not. It is a Sport

A sport has the "P35 F 968 CS Luxury Package - P03,P33, 346,381,382,451,498,650,685"

P03 - Alarm Pack
P33 - Comfort Electrics (Windows, Mirrors)
346 - Silver Wheels
381/382 - Comfort Front Seats
451 - Reduced Radio Prep
498 - model badge delete
650 - sunroof
685 - rear seats and electric boot release


Edited by jakeb on Friday 19th February 14:54


Edited by jakeb on Friday 19th February 14:59

Waylander

Original Poster:

24 posts

69 months

Friday 19th February
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technically they were "ordered by AFN with a UK specific lux pack (P35) comprising comfort front seats, rear seats, electric windows, boot release and mirrors, alarm pack, silver wheels and sunroof"

And how you going to open the hatch, no electric release

Waylander

Original Poster:

24 posts

69 months

Friday 19th February
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I would be pretty miffed if I had stumped up the extra 10k for a converted Sport to CS

The body of the CS is no different to the coupe, or the engine, or the suspension, the dampers are all the same just the springs are 20mm shorter,

An extra 20k for some bad boy sticker

LarJammer

1,984 posts

179 months

Friday 19th February
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I spotted this car the other day. Apparently from NZ but a CS lux? I'm confused...
"Porsche 968 Club Sport - Philip Raby Specialist Cars" https://philipraby.co.uk/product/porsche-968-club-...

8-P

2,670 posts

229 months

Friday 19th February
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LarJammer said:
I spotted this car the other day. Apparently from NZ but a CS lux? I'm confused...
"Porsche 968 Club Sport - Philip Raby Specialist Cars" https://philipraby.co.uk/product/porsche-968-club-...
That car was up for sale at Ruf Uk not too long ago too, funnily enough we passed each other once, turns out its not too far from me.

Anyway, that one is a CS, but its one that many would be suspicious of for obvious reasons.

8-P

2,670 posts

229 months

8-P

2,670 posts

229 months

jakeb

235 posts

163 months

Friday 19th February
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LarJammer said:
I spotted this car the other day. Apparently from NZ but a CS lux? I'm confused...
"Porsche 968 Club Sport - Philip Raby Specialist Cars" https://philipraby.co.uk/product/porsche-968-club-...
That one is definitely a CS albeit not everyones cup of tea when it comes to spec - it has windy windows and hasnt got a sunroof so thus ironically hasnt got the lux pack despite being claimed otherwise! It has an NZ country code on the option sticker as well.

jakeb

235 posts

163 months

Friday 19th February
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This one is also a Sport. Three people I know have owned this car and I was one one of them when they bought it


blade7

10,515 posts

185 months

Friday 19th February
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I remember when a CS was £10k, a Sport £8k, and a Coupe £6k. And anything with tip gearbox or a Cabrio even cheaper. Adding another 15 years hasn't made these cars any more special, despite the BS some sellers spout.

ChrisDH

1 posts

32 months

Friday 19th February
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The 968 Sport is a UK only designation, so the originally NZ car with the lux pack can correctly be described as a 968CS (non C16 car!) with the lux pack. What pushes the envelope of proper description is those C16 (UK specification) cars ordered by Porsche UK from the CS production run but with the rear badge delete option as well as the lux pack option, and sold (in UK only) as 968 Sport. Those of us that know 968's know that even ordering a 968CS, there were optional extras that went as far as sunroof and aircon, never mind comfort seats, rear seats, electric windows/tailgate release and radio.

In the early 1990's sales of the 968 coupe were slow - the list price started at IIRC £32000 + taxes etc, before adding things from the option list. The OTR price of my 1994 tip coupe, with no cost options other than the tip gearbox, was just over £42000. Porsche therefore came up with the CS as a reduced cost option - the list price started at about £26500 plus tax etc before options. This stripped out version with Recaros was a bit too hardcore for the UK market so Porsche UK came up with the idea of ordering a number of CS's with the lux pack (as they're still known in Europe) but de-badged, Porsche GB added a Sport badge to the rear and sold them as 968 Sports.

So - these days the CS is the desired version and prices for "proper" CS's reflect this, however those less knowledgeable confuse a proper C16 CS with a C16 Sport - especially as there is a considerable difference in perceived value between the 2!

8-P

2,670 posts

229 months

Friday 19th February
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8-P

2,670 posts

229 months

Friday 19th February
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8-P said:


Another or is it the one above, looking at the engine it is. Different stealer though.

https://dyler.com/cars/porsche/968-for-sale/1994/1...

8-P

2,670 posts

229 months

Friday 19th February
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8-P

2,670 posts

229 months

Friday 19th February
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This is a Sport but I dont think it was ever masqueraded as anything but a Sport. Good on them.



https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1141123

8-P

2,670 posts

229 months

Friday 19th February
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3 more for the road




jakeb

235 posts

163 months

Saturday 20th February
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ChrisDH said:
The 968 Sport is a UK only designation, so the originally NZ car with the lux pack can correctly be described as a 968CS (non C16 car!) with the lux pack. What pushes the envelope of proper description is those C16 (UK specification) cars ordered by Porsche UK from the CS production run but with the rear badge delete option as well as the lux pack option, and sold (in UK only) as 968 Sport. Those of us that know 968's know that even ordering a 968CS, there were optional extras that went as far as sunroof and aircon, never mind comfort seats, rear seats, electric windows/tailgate release and radio.
The only LUX pack that exists is the P35 and that includes a sunroof and electric windows/mirrors so the NZ car isnt a LUX pack. Its a standard CS with aircon, front comfort seats and the rear seat option

A sport has the "P35 F 968 CS Luxury Package - P03,P33, 346,381,382,451,498,650,685"

P03 - Alarm Pack
P33 - Comfort Electrics (Windows, Mirrors)
346 - Silver Wheels
381/382 - Comfort Front Seats
451 - Reduced Radio Prep
498 - model badge delete
650 - sunroof
685 - rear seats and electric boot release

MDL111

5,690 posts

146 months

Saturday 20th February
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I have been looking at these on and off for a while - interesting stuff re CS vs Sport. I dont really care which, but want bucket seats
I think they are ageing quite nicely