When is a Clubsport Not a Clubsport
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Buckets are stupid expensive secondhand. A standard pole position or SPG is not the same thing.
The originals are based on the Pole Position ABE as they are wider. You cant get the original covers either without the silly RECARO logo tattooed to the head rest. The majority of original CS seats are also "sprung" - have a damper mat under the bottom cushion. Only they very early MY93 cars have two bottom cushions.
Recaro actually make some quite nice classic bucket seats now but again they don't have the same cloths and the actual design is slightly different.
A Sport with classic recaros is quite a nice proposition
https://www.recaro-automotive.com/en/classic/recar...
The originals are based on the Pole Position ABE as they are wider. You cant get the original covers either without the silly RECARO logo tattooed to the head rest. The majority of original CS seats are also "sprung" - have a damper mat under the bottom cushion. Only they very early MY93 cars have two bottom cushions.
Recaro actually make some quite nice classic bucket seats now but again they don't have the same cloths and the actual design is slightly different.
A Sport with classic recaros is quite a nice proposition
https://www.recaro-automotive.com/en/classic/recar...
8-P said:
This is a Sport but I dont think it was ever masqueraded as anything but a Sport. Good on them.
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1141123
Excellent and factually accurate advert.https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1141123
Thanks Waylander for starting this thread.
This thread is not about which variant is best; they are all very good as far as I’m concerned. Or indeed a forum for debate about whether the 968 is a good car or not. That is all personal opinion and irrelevant.
It is about providing a reference resource for those in the market for a 968 that can arm folks to prevent the fraudulent misrepresentation that is evident in some quarters of the independent dealer network.
It’s just too easy and tempting for unscrupulous dealers to pass a sport off as a CS and one has to assume that is purely for commercial gain.
So Caveat Emptor - Buyer Beware. But there are folk out there who will be happy to provide the benefit of their experience, if required.
Thanks for that,
That was the whole idea, to stop fellow enthusiasts who maybe in the market for a 968, getting relieved of 10k extra of their hard earned cash
To give a guide
A very good low miles coupe 12-15
A very good low miles Sport 15-20
A very good low miles CS 25-35
Very easy for the dealer to Chuck a badge and some stickers on, show a certificate, make up some fluff about the Lux Pack
And pocket a 10k profit for misrepresenting a car
Not far short of fraud really,
Buyers do your homework, there are plenty of folks that know these cars to help, on special 968 forums and of course Porsche Club GB
And real CS only came in
Black
White
Blue
Yellow
Red
That was the whole idea, to stop fellow enthusiasts who maybe in the market for a 968, getting relieved of 10k extra of their hard earned cash
To give a guide
A very good low miles coupe 12-15
A very good low miles Sport 15-20
A very good low miles CS 25-35
Very easy for the dealer to Chuck a badge and some stickers on, show a certificate, make up some fluff about the Lux Pack
And pocket a 10k profit for misrepresenting a car
Not far short of fraud really,
Buyers do your homework, there are plenty of folks that know these cars to help, on special 968 forums and of course Porsche Club GB
And real CS only came in
Black
White
Blue
Yellow
Red
Edited by Waylander on Saturday 20th February 10:25
My apologies. There was no intention of being a policeman.
The OP and many of the contributors are trying to make a co-ordinated effort to address potential fraud, nothing else. As far as I'm aware, no-one is making any claims to put anything on a pedestal above anything else - just highlighting that some vendors are engaging in misrepresentation.
That's all, nothing else.
I am reminded why I don't bother with these forums.
Have a happy life.
The OP and many of the contributors are trying to make a co-ordinated effort to address potential fraud, nothing else. As far as I'm aware, no-one is making any claims to put anything on a pedestal above anything else - just highlighting that some vendors are engaging in misrepresentation.
That's all, nothing else.
I am reminded why I don't bother with these forums.
Have a happy life.
From the Porsche seats catalogue, the 964 RS seat is the same as the very early 968CS seat but in several tones of leather.
The later 968 seat is the same as the 964 speedster with the damping mat but again in cloth
The classic recaro has a different design of seat back cushion which goes further up the shell.
https://www.porsche.com/all/media/pdf/originalpart...
search for "bucket"
The later 968 seat is the same as the 964 speedster with the damping mat but again in cloth
The classic recaro has a different design of seat back cushion which goes further up the shell.
https://www.porsche.com/all/media/pdf/originalpart...
search for "bucket"
Yes the seat in the 964RS had cushions laid directly onto the composite frame structure of the seat.
The 993RS seat had fabric sprung above the composite frame structure and the cushions were laid on this.
From what you have said it sounds like the earlier 968CS had 964RS seats and the later 968CS had 993RS seats.
It's my understanding also that the early CS cars came with Cup 1 wheels whilst the later ones came with Cup 2.
Almost uniquely for Porsche they chose to reduce the price of the 968CS ... contrary to the more expensive 964RS / 993RS which were stripped but to be improved in many other areas ... was the 968CS also ?
I think this is a very useful and interesting thread ... I hope my recollections compliment this.
The 993RS seat had fabric sprung above the composite frame structure and the cushions were laid on this.
From what you have said it sounds like the earlier 968CS had 964RS seats and the later 968CS had 993RS seats.
It's my understanding also that the early CS cars came with Cup 1 wheels whilst the later ones came with Cup 2.
Almost uniquely for Porsche they chose to reduce the price of the 968CS ... contrary to the more expensive 964RS / 993RS which were stripped but to be improved in many other areas ... was the 968CS also ?
I think this is a very useful and interesting thread ... I hope my recollections compliment this.
ChrisW. said:
Yes the seat in the 964RS had cushions laid directly onto the composite frame structure of the seat.
The 993RS seat had fabric sprung above the composite frame structure and the cushions were laid on this.
From what you have said it sounds like the earlier 968CS had 964RS seats and the later 968CS had 993RS seats.
It's my understanding also that the early CS cars came with Cup 1 wheels whilst the later ones came with Cup 2.
Almost uniquely for Porsche they chose to reduce the price of the 968CS ... contrary to the more expensive 964RS / 993RS which were stripped but to be improved in many other areas ... was the 968CS also ?
I think this is a very useful and interesting thread ... I hope my recollections compliment this.
In answer to the last part about improvements, I am afraid you will be disappointed, other than weight loss and 20mm lower, it was the same as a standard coupe, The 993RS seat had fabric sprung above the composite frame structure and the cushions were laid on this.
From what you have said it sounds like the earlier 968CS had 964RS seats and the later 968CS had 993RS seats.
It's my understanding also that the early CS cars came with Cup 1 wheels whilst the later ones came with Cup 2.
Almost uniquely for Porsche they chose to reduce the price of the 968CS ... contrary to the more expensive 964RS / 993RS which were stripped but to be improved in many other areas ... was the 968CS also ?
I think this is a very useful and interesting thread ... I hope my recollections compliment this.
No change in engine or gearing or spring rates
The only other option was the M030 package, adjustable Koni dampers and bigger anti roll bars and larger radial brakes
There are very few factory cars with the M030 option as it was a very expensive option, there are plenty of cars with the parts fitted later.
Very few original CS cars left, and the really good ones are in collections
ChrisW. said:
Yes the seat in the 964RS had cushions laid directly onto the composite frame structure of the seat.
The 993RS seat had fabric sprung above the composite frame structure and the cushions were laid on this.
From what you have said it sounds like the earlier 968CS had 964RS seats and the later 968CS had 993RS seats.
It's my understanding also that the early CS cars came with Cup 1 wheels whilst the later ones came with Cup 2.
Almost uniquely for Porsche they chose to reduce the price of the 968CS ... contrary to the more expensive 964RS / 993RS which were stripped but to be improved in many other areas ... was the 968CS also ?
I think this is a very useful and interesting thread ... I hope my recollections compliment this.
The seats changed in the CS around March 93 so you could look at it that the 993RS had 968CS seats The 993RS seat had fabric sprung above the composite frame structure and the cushions were laid on this.
From what you have said it sounds like the earlier 968CS had 964RS seats and the later 968CS had 993RS seats.
It's my understanding also that the early CS cars came with Cup 1 wheels whilst the later ones came with Cup 2.
Almost uniquely for Porsche they chose to reduce the price of the 968CS ... contrary to the more expensive 964RS / 993RS which were stripped but to be improved in many other areas ... was the 968CS also ?
I think this is a very useful and interesting thread ... I hope my recollections compliment this.
I dont know if the early 964 Speedster had the same issue with sprung v unsprung seats. They show as sprung in the brochure and both were launched at the same time (Oct92). There were perhaps supply issues with Recaro.
Model year 1993 (Build date Oct92-July93) is CUP1 wheels and NO option to put rear seats in the car (wp0zzz96zps815xxx)
Model year 1994 onwards (Approx Sept93 onwards) CUP2 wheels (wp0zzz96zrs815xxx, wp0zzz96zss815xxx)
Edited by jakeb on Sunday 21st February 06:23
Edited by jakeb on Sunday 21st February 06:26
blade7 said:
Speedyell said:
My apologies. There was no intention of being a policeman.
The OP and many of the contributors are trying to make a co-ordinated effort to address potential fraud, nothing else. As far as I'm aware, no-one is making any claims to put anything on a pedestal above anything else - just highlighting that some vendors are engaging in misrepresentation.
That's all, nothing else.
I am reminded why I don't bother with these forums.
Have a happy life.
2 usernames on one thread, naughty.The OP and many of the contributors are trying to make a co-ordinated effort to address potential fraud, nothing else. As far as I'm aware, no-one is making any claims to put anything on a pedestal above anything else - just highlighting that some vendors are engaging in misrepresentation.
That's all, nothing else.
I am reminded why I don't bother with these forums.
Have a happy life.
Im pretty sure there have been at least 2 amaranth(sp?) cars
This one
https://www.cameronsportscars.com/vehicle-details/...
and this one that appeared at 4Star a while back
This one
https://www.cameronsportscars.com/vehicle-details/...
and this one that appeared at 4Star a while back
Well now we have decided that this is not a 944 thread, and hopefully any 968 buyers are now much more aware of the situation for getting pickpocketed for loads of cash
There a black sport currently for sale as a CS, along with the others already shown
It’s now quite possible that there are more CS clones than sports, so the U.K. only sport is the rarer car
Or you could save a bunch and buy a boring nobody wants coupe, stick some new suspension on it and still have a great car
There a black sport currently for sale as a CS, along with the others already shown
It’s now quite possible that there are more CS clones than sports, so the U.K. only sport is the rarer car
Or you could save a bunch and buy a boring nobody wants coupe, stick some new suspension on it and still have a great car
Waylander said:
Thanks for that,
That was the whole idea, to stop fellow enthusiasts who maybe in the market for a 968, getting relieved of 10k extra of their hard earned cash
To give a guide
A very good low miles coupe 12-15
A very good low miles Sport 15-20
A very good low miles CS 25-35
Very easy for the dealer to Chuck a badge and some stickers on, show a certificate, make up some fluff about the Lux Pack
And pocket a 10k profit for misrepresenting a car
Not far short of fraud really,
Buyers do your homework, there are plenty of folks that know these cars to help, on special 968 forums and of course Porsche Club GB
And real CS only came in
Black
White
Blue
Yellow
Red
Just to be contrarian, I had a "real" CS - M139 MNC (current owner is on here) which was Amethyst and I assume a PTS special order. It also had comfort seats and (iirc) a sunroof.............sold it to a mate for £13k in about 2003 with 57k on it as I'd bought a 996 and it wasn't getting used much. Top of my list of cars I should have kept!That was the whole idea, to stop fellow enthusiasts who maybe in the market for a 968, getting relieved of 10k extra of their hard earned cash
To give a guide
A very good low miles coupe 12-15
A very good low miles Sport 15-20
A very good low miles CS 25-35
Very easy for the dealer to Chuck a badge and some stickers on, show a certificate, make up some fluff about the Lux Pack
And pocket a 10k profit for misrepresenting a car
Not far short of fraud really,
Buyers do your homework, there are plenty of folks that know these cars to help, on special 968 forums and of course Porsche Club GB
And real CS only came in
Black
White
Blue
Yellow
Red
Edited by Waylander on Saturday 20th February 10:25
GTSjohn said:
Just to be contrarian, I had a "real" CS - M139 MNC (current owner is on here) which was Amethyst and I assume a PTS special order. It also had comfort seats and (iirc) a sunroof.............sold it to a mate for £13k in about 2003 with 57k on it as I'd bought a 996 and it wasn't getting used much. Top of my list of cars I should have kept!
I did say anything was possible if you had enough money, but the original sales blurb says those coloursYou would be surprised how many say they wish they had kept their 968, but don’t buy another one
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