£40k 944 in PH classifieds.

[Desert Dragon]

blade7 said:

Desert Dragon said:

S2 has very similar D90 also 16 inch. She's on beautiful 18 inch GT3 Mk 1 alloys. Maybe they're too big with alloys with the rubbing though? I'd go for the red Ashley Nickels car a half the money personally. Looks lovely and now sold. Not easy to find a good 944 turbo s.

S2 D90's aren't as wide as Turbo D90's. And the red car isn't a Turbo S, or half the money. Plus 10" wide isn't too big on the rear.

Edited by blade7 on Saturday 20th November 11:33

The red AN car is running forged 16 inch forged turbo alloys hence it may be a late registered 88 or 89 car as red turbos were not en vogue in 1988, 1989. Owners inc myself owned from new tended to go for metallics black and grey etc. In 1990 the wheel design changed to a non anodised. The 88 and 89 944 turbo wheels came with an anodised finish. It does look like a pre cat 944 turbo s most likely 1989

On the white modded S2 which is virtually double the money you do realise the wheel circumfrance makes a difference? 10 inch wide fit is only one part of the equation? If the wheel is too tall with tyre it will not work hence the rubbing or there is something off with the suspension geo. In any event at £40k or offers not exactly an attractive fault. i certainly couldn't be bothered to sort. If looking for a944 I'd buy the beautiful maritime blue S2 thats just gone up for sale.

[Desert Dragon]

I'd prefer a turbo for sure over an S2 but beggars can not be choosers. Not much around

We had a 1988 car so on an E reg in panther met black with linen interior you're quite right no sun roof. The dealer told us it was an se not an s I believe?! I can not remember what was on log book I think S which i thought was a mistake hence I've always been confused on 944 250bhp cars. And then cat and pre cat! All the other cars that I saw were silver rose cars when ours was delivered and I think other owners fell of their chairs we had ours in black. I preferred ours have to be honest but if a time warp Silver Rose ever does turn up I'd love to own one again. Be very interesting to see what one is like to drive in 2021.

[Desert Dragon]

I do somewhere have photos but haven't a clue where they are between house moves 15 yrs ago! Beautiful car. Its a tough one. M3 E30 3x the money so I still think okay at that level but I don't think you'd get what I call a good turbo s for less than £50k. I mean one thats never rusted and not needed restoring etc in perfect low mileage condition with continual light use and regular servicing. I haven't seen one in many years. I've seen ones with big gaps in the servicing.

[DKL]

M758 is the turbo S code. I doubt you'd get a decent one of those, repaired/restored or not, in that lovely shade of pink for less than £30k. It's probably the most "desirable" 944 regardless of the colour for collectors short of a cup car.
Not sure I could live with the colour.
My 996t was much faster than my mildly modded 944 but far less usable on a daily basis.
I wouldn't buy a decent one at current prices as there are far more interesting things for that money, but I paid pennies for mine when that was what they were worth. Cost a bit since mind.

[julian987R]

ziggy328 said:

No I didn't. To be fair the dealer made it clear that offers would be considered. Like I said to him on Saturday, my only real concern is what do I do with it in say 2 or 3 years when and if I want to move it on. Such a small market. So I left to go and ponder.

Its been on sale for over 2 years right, so that speaks volumes.

[sparta6]

blade7 said:

sparta6 said:

blade7 said:

I like the styling of the 968CS, but wouldn't fancy the prospect of not being able to shake off every yoof in a £7K Fiesta ST, in my £40k Porsche.

Just invest in some advanced driver training.
Sorted

That old chestnut. Say the trainer isn't up to much, or the trainee either. Or the ST driving yoof has done some training. That's before you consider that most 968's have probably only got around 200bhp today. And plenty of Fiesta ST's are likely running 220bhp+.

That old chestnut excuse

A week at Skip Barber's will sharpen you up, make a significant difference, and the weather's usually great.

Unlikely that many ST kids have done it.

Or you can just gracefully accept defeat

[sparta6]

blade7 said:

sparta6 said:

That old chestnut excuse

A week at Skip Barber's will sharpen you up, make a significant difference, and the weather's usually great.

Unlikely that many ST kids have done it.

Or you can just gracefully accept defeat

Or, I've had nothing better to do for 40 years, than ride around on really fast motor bikes, and reasonably fast cars, a lot. And 85 year old Skippy has missed his chance.

Edited by blade7 on Sunday 21st November 18:19

If you're suitably talented a yoof with 20hp won't bother you.

Unless it actually bothers you

[sparta6]

blade7 said:

I like the styling of the 968CS, but wouldn't fancy the prospect of not being able to shake off every yoof in a £7K Fiesta ST, in my £40k Porsche.

You've now conquered your fear of a yoof having an extra 20hp.
Excellent.

[sparta6]

blade7 said:

sparta6 said:

You've now conquered your fear of a yoof having an extra 20hp.
Excellent.

Have you been tested for dementia?

You're an angry man

Oh well

[julian987R]

blade7 said:

Back on topic, is someone going to buy this car for anywhere near £40k? No question about the quality of the build, but IME it's hard to get back anything like the money spent on modified cars. It sometimes makes financial sense to either break the car, or convert it back to standard, and sell the special parts separately.

I agree. its worth £20K at best, maybe £23K on a good day

[GC8]

julian987R said:

I agree. its worth £20K at best, maybe £23K on a good day

Piffle! And yes, I am an expert.

[julian987R]

GC8 said:

julian987R said:

I agree. its worth £20K at best, maybe £23K on a good day

Piffle! And yes, I am an expert.

Most (if not all) will want an original 944T that hasn't been meddled with, and there are far better options for sale around that budget. One could count on one hand the potential audience that would buy the one with 600+ BHP. I don't dispute its engineering, but they have equalled engineered an unsellable 944 'at that price'. There is a reason it hasn't sold, it is too expensive and too niche.

PS i am an expert too, in logic.

[g7jhp]

julian987R said:

GC8 said:

julian987R said:

I agree. its worth £20K at best, maybe £23K on a good day

Piffle! And yes, I am an expert.

Most (if not all) will want an original 944T that hasn't been meddled with, and there are far better options for sale around that budget. One could count on one hand the potential audience that would buy the one with 600+ BHP. I don't dispute its engineering, but they have equalled engineered an unsellable 944 'at that price'. There is a reason it hasn't sold, it is too expensive and too niche.

PS i am an expert too, in logic.

Decent sorted original late model 944 turbo seem to have 'offer prices' from circa £20-33k. Or £50k for the OPC car.

This 600bhp 944 turbo has a very limited market, but it's unique and a car only needs one buyer.

The 40k price was laughable. I'd put it in the £25-30k to the right buyer, who wants a faster sorted 944 turbo.

Edited by g7jhp on Wednesday 24th November 10:17

[julian987R]

g7jhp said:

Decent sorted original late model 944 turbo seem to have 'offer prices' from circa £20-33k.

This car has a very limited market, but it's unique and a car only needs one buyer.

The 40k price was laughable. I'd put it in the £25-30k to the right buyer, who wants a faster sorted 944 turbo.

yep I may have lowballed it - £25k on a good day and that is as good as it'll get....but i am not convinced there is even one buyer.

[GC8]

How much would an engine like that cost to build?

[GC8]

Tim's engine was orbiting with the Space Station if Jon's engine was cruising at 5,000ft. The amount of work that went in to it, the skill that was utilised and the level of expertise leaves the 3.x Turbo engines like Paul's so far behind it is untrue.

Also, unlike Paul Smith's, this engine worked.

[GC8]

Massively paraphrasing, Paul told me that it never worked properly. I dont think that the other one fared much better.

Lots of people have 2.7L heads and blocks and 3.0L cranks and dont actually build anything: that was why.

[GC8]

I knew that when I wrote it: it does make a good point though, doesnt it?

I doubt that the problems that the cars had would still be an issue now, with the electronic control that is available.

[vulture_venturer]

There was nothing wrong with the 3.2 engines they were just a big bore nicasil block with a standard 2.7 head with 951 exhaust valves. Really nothing special apart from the Capricorn cylinders.

Total nonsense that the piston melted because it needed a bigger exhaust. They were sending them out of the door with the same turbine housing as a 944 turbo with an equally restrictive turbine wheel. Tuned for max power & torque, resulting in extreme back pressure. The rest is history as they say.

No real need for a 3.2 combined with an 8v head though as the 8v head is the limiting factor even at 3.0. For that money Tim’s 16v route is far superior.

That being said the only one left that survived now has a much larger turbo and works very well. Nothing to do with JMG though.

[vulture_venturer]

blade7 said:

I recall someone falling out with JMG, over some part or other. And them not being welcome back there...And the engines were sent "out of the door" with strict instructions to run the engine in on very low boost.

Edited by blade7 on Saturday 27th November 19:21

I think JMG have fallen out with a lot of people over the years!

If I remember correctly Paul’s engine was a long way past run in when the piston melted.