Moving to a classic Porsche

[type-r]

I have owned a couple of 996's and a 997 and I have often longed for a classic Porsche like a RS replica from 70's. They are beautiful to look at, have a certain mechanical rawness to them and the lightweight nature of them really appeals to me.

I have never driven or even been in a classic Porsche - I am just wondering what is the best way to learn a bit more about living with one and I would be interested to hear of has anyone who has moved from a modern 911 to an old school one (I am sure there are quite a few!) and what your experience was like!

[Tankslider]

Silverstone Experience Centre ran some courses where you drove different vintages. Bloody good day out, too.

[mrdemon]

reps are a bit of a strange thing imo

buy a fake Rolex with a real swiss movment , or buy a real Omega ?

I would rather a 911E than a RS rep, keeping it real and all that :-)

as for old cars, you need a full photo build as a rebuild can cost you 50k hence the price of 911S these days for good ones.
to many cover up jobs done which while looking great are rot box's

I think kit cars are ok and have a place, but nothing like owing a matching number classic is there :-)
So is your post about classic Porsche or fakes ?

people don't like the word fake, but they are fake when all said and done and badged up with RS logo etc.
Bit like the reps having the M badge on the 318 BMW.

Edited by mrdemon on Friday 22 November 09:20

[type-r]

Thanks.

I am not necessarily after a "fake" - I understand the "original" argument with matching chassis and engine numbers, provenance with a good history etc but I am not looking specifically for an RS replica (that was just used as an example).

Actually what I would ideally like to do (funds permitting) is to take an old rust bucket and do it up. Create a lightweight, wide rear arch, ducktail beauty, with a reasonable power output. No large RS decals or viper green paint job - just a nice subtle sleeper car that looks beautiful and one that could be taken for a long (and comfortable-ish) drive to Europe for example.

[type-r]

I think this video has been seen on here before but it does serve as my inspiration - while not quite a Singer, so called "fakes" can actually be beautiful. An 820kg beauty to be precise!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAY5fRglsb4

[hot66]

you need to weed out the poor 'cosmetic' clones & a real deal modified hot-rod early 911

they are a world apart.

It depends what you actually want from a car. If you love the RS look & you're got the £££"s , get one based on an early chassis & running a 2.7RS spec motor with MFI & you will get teh full RS driving experience.

My ultimate hot rod would be my take on the prototype 1972 2.7S ( which eventually became the 2.7RS )


what's your budget ?

pop over to DDK forum for info on early Porsches

[supersport]

I am not sure that is fair to call many of the reps fakes, after all they are built on genuine 911s with genuine Porsche engines and parts, they are more looky like.

I love you idea of a wide body, light fun car but if you are going to build it from scratch it won't come cheap, but you will at least have what you want and know how good quality it is.

You could easily spend £30K++++++++++ going down this route, but would look great.

[type-r]

hot66 said:

pop over to DDK forum for info on early Porsches

Thanks. This sounds like a good starting point.

I've also liked the Targa Florio RSR (minus the Martini decals) - that might a good project as least from a looks POV. Cheers.

[dugsud]

To compare a fake Rolex with an RS Rep is ridiculous! Any Porsche 911 that's modified by the current owner(as 911's have always been) is still 100% Porsche.

A fake Rolex however is 0% Rolex!

FYI this is a fake 911.....

[mrdemon]

dugsud said:

To compare a fake Rolex with an RS Rep is ridiculous! Any Porsche 911 that's modified by the current owner(as 911's have always been) is still 100% Porsche.

A fake Rolex however is 0% Rolex!

but can be a 100% swiss movement and still quite expensive :-)

I just don't see the point buying reps when every one laughs at BMW owners for doing it, but Porsche owners are allowed !!

like wise neither go up or are worth any value down the line.

there is a real Porsche for every one £££ and we all know real ones tend to go up in value esp the last 10 years.
reps have not done anything value wise, and you could say are quite good value if you want to drive a "fake" lol

me I would prob jump on the 964 model now the 911S has also gone sky rocket and dragging the 911E and even the basic T with it. but even these have gone up 100% in the last 5 years.

[911mick]

dugsud said:

To compare a fake Rolex with an RS Rep is ridiculous! Any Porsche 911 that's modified by the current owner(as 911's have always been) is still 100% Porsche.

A fake Rolex however is 0% Rolex!

FYI this is a fake 911.....

Haha WTF is that!!!

[supersport]

I bet that is a Covin, at one point they were the same price as a real 911. I have seen them with an engine in the front!

The thing is 911s have been modified since day one and it used to be quite acceptable. No end of 3.2s and early were forward dated, and now no end of 964s and 3.2 have been back dated.

This doesn't seem to be the case with kettles though, possibly because they are more value sensitive and it is not so easy. You could pretty much take any part from 1993 back and put it on any previous car and vice versa.

[mollytherocker]

911mick said:

dugsud said:

To compare a fake Rolex with an RS Rep is ridiculous! Any Porsche 911 that's modified by the current owner(as 911's have always been) is still 100% Porsche.

A fake Rolex however is 0% Rolex!

FYI this is a fake 911.....

Haha WTF is that!!!

Its prob a covin with what looks like a ford 1.6 CVH in it.

Truly horrible things.

[BertBert]

mrdemon said:

I just don't see the point buying reps when every one laughs at BMW owners for doing it, but Porsche owners are allowed !!

I think there is a point. I wanted to get the essence of what the 73RS was about without spending RS money. So for me the motor and the "form factor" mattered. So I bought a rep built on a period car with a proper 2.7MFI spec motor. The fact that it had G50 rear wings rather than proper RS ones was a slight annoyance in the beardy pub stakes, but didn't matter. The fact that it had a 2.7 spec engine (albeit cobbled together) on MFI absolutely made the car. Mind you, I think Nick Fulljames might be offended at my reference to cobbled together!
Bert

[BertBert]

Just to add. A 3.2 backdate might be ok. But a 3.2 backdate with a 3.2 CIS motor wouldn't be right for me.
Bert

[graemel]

type-r said:

Thanks.
I am not necessarily after a "fake" - I understand the "original" argument with matching chassis and engine numbers, provenance with a good history etc but I am not looking specifically for an RS replica (that was just used as an example).
Actually what I would ideally like to do (funds permitting) is to take an old rust bucket and do it up. Create a lightweight, wide rear arch, ducktail beauty, with a reasonable power output. No large RS decals or viper green paint job - just a nice subtle sleeper car that looks beautiful and one that could be taken for a long (and comfortable-ish) drive to Europe for example.

It's only a fake if its a beetle chassis made to look like a 911.
If its a 911 thats tweaked to suit your requirements it is bespoke.
Have a read of this thread
http://www.impactbumpers.com/forum/index.php?/topi...
Your best bet is to buy the best rot free 3.2 Carrera Super Sport you can find. Basically a 930 turbo but with a normally aspirated 3.2 engine. Keeping the all steel body and without a cage you'll get it to around the 1200kg mark. My own but rather race biased 911 is 1130kg. Personally forget buying a rust bucket. In todays money if you buy a real rotten as a pear 911 it will cost you a minimum of £15K with paint to sort it out.

[schaeffs]

graemel said:

It's only a fake if its a beetle chassis made to look like a 911.
If its a 911 thats tweaked to suit your requirements it is bespoke.

Totally agree - as log as it's done in the right spirit then they are great (reps) - and it doesn't need to be Singer quality to get there...

[schaeffs]

BertBert said:

I think there is a point. I wanted to get the essence of what the 73RS was about without spending RS money. So for me the motor and the "form factor" mattered. So I bought a rep built on a period car with a proper 2.7MFI spec motor. The fact that it had G50 rear wings rather than proper RS ones was a slight annoyance in the beardy pub stakes, but didn't matter. The fact that it had a 2.7 spec engine (albeit cobbled together) on MFI absolutely made the car. Mind you, I think Nick Fulljames might be offended at my reference to cobbled together!
Bert

Yes - very much so. For me, the point is also you get to drive a Porsche in the way you want it set up -- without having to worry about the fact it may be an appreciating asset!

I'd be very happy to spend 40-50k (know some are more than this) on a good 2.7RS rep that's set up well to give you the essence of what made the original a great. It just depends what you want.

[BertBert]

schaeffs said:

I'd be very happy to spend 40-50k (know some are more than this) on a good 2.7RS rep that's set up well to give you the essence of what made the original a great. It just depends what you want.

And your disposable income!

[Du1point8]

What do the folks think of these?

Not sure on this one but good starting point:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-911-Carrera-RS-2...

just something about these (935):
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C300248

top end IROC RSR rep:
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C445885

nice RS replica
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C421379

Just not quite there yet, alleged RS rep:
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C323139