3.0 911 SC Project - Value?
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Hi all,
I am taking a trip across from the TVR forum (I have sold my Cerbera today).
I may be selling a 911 sc Targa soon. It has a 993 turbo wide body fitted (all genuine Porsche panels) and I could not find a spot of rust on the body.
It has a few things missing, such as door cards, a wing mirror and headlights. I took a chap I know that has a turbo and an SC to view it and he was delighted at the lack of rust. He believed that the sills and kidney bowls have been done too.
I put a deposit on it there and then pending delivery, that was a couple of months ago and I will be taking delivery of it within the next week or so. The reason I am selling it, and believe me I would rather not; is that I have a wedding to pay for and need some additional finance for my business.
I was wondering if anyone could help me out as to what it may be worth? It is a project but most of the hard work has been done. I have not heard it run but the owner said it ran perfectly when it was put into storage.
Any help would be appreciated and thanks in advance.
Chris
I am taking a trip across from the TVR forum (I have sold my Cerbera today).
I may be selling a 911 sc Targa soon. It has a 993 turbo wide body fitted (all genuine Porsche panels) and I could not find a spot of rust on the body.
It has a few things missing, such as door cards, a wing mirror and headlights. I took a chap I know that has a turbo and an SC to view it and he was delighted at the lack of rust. He believed that the sills and kidney bowls have been done too.
I put a deposit on it there and then pending delivery, that was a couple of months ago and I will be taking delivery of it within the next week or so. The reason I am selling it, and believe me I would rather not; is that I have a wedding to pay for and need some additional finance for my business.
I was wondering if anyone could help me out as to what it may be worth? It is a project but most of the hard work has been done. I have not heard it run but the owner said it ran perfectly when it was put into storage.
Any help would be appreciated and thanks in advance.
Chris
benjj said:
No idea on specific price but:
1) Running = X
2) Non-running = X minus 20-30%
Thanks for the response. I have seen the following cars:1) Running = X
2) Non-running = X minus 20-30%
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1975-Porsche-911-s-Targa...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-911-Targa-Restor...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/porsche-911-sc-classic-r...
What is the general consensus on the 993 wide body fitted to an SC? I personally think it looks excellent, however I am not specifically a Porsche man.
The market is all about originality and 993 body on an older car will appeal to very few people. I would imagine you will be lucky to get your money back, assuming you didn't pay much.
I can't see it being worth a lot, why would you take their word for it that it ran. You could actually have a complete lemon that doesn't run and no one wants.
I can't see it being worth a lot, why would you take their word for it that it ran. You could actually have a complete lemon that doesn't run and no one wants.
supersport said:
The market is all about originality and 993 body on an older car will appeal to very few people. I would imagine you will be lucky to get your money back, assuming you didn't pay much.
I can't see it being worth a lot, why would you take their word for it that it ran. You could actually have a complete lemon that doesn't run and no one wants.
I think the market for originality is a very specific one, shared amongst dead set enthusiasts and at high price points. I can't see it being worth a lot, why would you take their word for it that it ran. You could actually have a complete lemon that doesn't run and no one wants.
I bought it as a project because it was good value, but circumstances have changed; now I need to raise some capital for a business venture and my wedding this August. The 993 wide body will appeal to someone, just not you.
If anyone has an idea of what the value may be, then please feel free to PM me or post a response.
Thanks again
Not trying to do you or you or your car down, but I think you will find that a 993 bodied SC will not be a popular choice and originality IS king at the moment. Unfinished Projects don't sell well or easily.
I think it is hard to put a price on an unfinished project, the trouble is finding some who wants it. I would be interested to know what you paid and what you thought you might get. I would assume that they would be the same.
I don't say this out of malice but out of experience and knowledge.
If there is a ready market for this kind of thing it isn't generally exposed or visible in the general Porsche world.
I think it is hard to put a price on an unfinished project, the trouble is finding some who wants it. I would be interested to know what you paid and what you thought you might get. I would assume that they would be the same.
I don't say this out of malice but out of experience and knowledge.
If there is a ready market for this kind of thing it isn't generally exposed or visible in the general Porsche world.
supersport said:
Not trying to do you or you or your car down, but I think you will find that a 993 bodied SC will not be a popular choice and originality IS king at the moment. Unfinished Projects don't sell well or easily.
I think it is hard to put a price on an unfinished project, the trouble is finding some who wants it. I would be interested to know what you paid and what you thought you might get. I would assume that they would be the same.
I don't say this out of malice but out of experience and knowledge.
If there is a ready market for this kind of thing it isn't generally exposed or visible in the general Porsche world.
THIS ^^^ although he's really being awfully kind to you.I think it is hard to put a price on an unfinished project, the trouble is finding some who wants it. I would be interested to know what you paid and what you thought you might get. I would assume that they would be the same.
I don't say this out of malice but out of experience and knowledge.
If there is a ready market for this kind of thing it isn't generally exposed or visible in the general Porsche world.
993 turbo = big bucks, SC coupe = good bucks, SC targa = okay bucks
BUT....
SC targa 993 turbo hybrid mashup = two fifths of b*gger all
Good grief man what were you thinking of? Wake up and smell the coffee!
In your shoes I would either:
1 renege on the deal and refuse to take delivery
2 immediately start breaking the car for parts and put them on ebay because the sum of the parts will undoubtedly be greater than the whole.
Put this mistake behind you ASAP and Good luck with the wedding and the business.
Actually I can't believe the OP is for real and it's surely a troll type situation.
How on earth would you fit 993 turbo body panels onto an old NB targa? 993 turbo front and rear wings with an old style targa roof would look ridiculous wouldn't it?
OP - please supply photos ( preferably with tin of custard in shot)
How on earth would you fit 993 turbo body panels onto an old NB targa? 993 turbo front and rear wings with an old style targa roof would look ridiculous wouldn't it?
OP - please supply photos ( preferably with tin of custard in shot)
It may sound odd but this question of fitting 993 panels to an IB came up last week. May have been the same bloke and that person was advised against it.
I have never seen a 993 forward date, although there was one for sale in 911 & PW for yonks, don't know if it sold though. That is the only one I have heard of.
For a while there was a couple of 3.2s made to look like 964s but this was when they were cheap. Haven't seen one in years. Still a huge market for back dating though. Although I could imagine this drying up as the value of base cars goes up.
The cost to return a project to quality is huge and a worthwhile exercise to my mind. Needs to be done for the love it though.
I have never seen a 993 forward date, although there was one for sale in 911 & PW for yonks, don't know if it sold though. That is the only one I have heard of.
For a while there was a couple of 3.2s made to look like 964s but this was when they were cheap. Haven't seen one in years. Still a huge market for back dating though. Although I could imagine this drying up as the value of base cars goes up.
The cost to return a project to quality is huge and a worthwhile exercise to my mind. Needs to be done for the love it though.
You can put your head in the sand all you want claiming that originality doesn't matter (and ignoring the advice you came hear asking for!) but I've never met anyone looking for a mis-mash Porsche, but I've met dozens & dozens that would like a nice example of a car pretty much as Porsche made it (and some would be happy with a few tasteful tweeks too).
Unless cheap it'll take AGES to sell - best route would be a carefully chosen classic car auction with a low reserve - you then have a chance of it appealing to someone who wasn't looking for a Porsche in the first place and isn't as clued up.
As no-one else has come up with any numbers I'd say if it's a solid, tidy, running, MOT'd car needing a bit of finishing off even as a project it should be worth over £5k, but it could be worth 2 or 3 times that depending what it looks like, how well it's been done, the results of a thorough inspection by a specialist and what's needed to finish it.
Unless cheap it'll take AGES to sell - best route would be a carefully chosen classic car auction with a low reserve - you then have a chance of it appealing to someone who wasn't looking for a Porsche in the first place and isn't as clued up.
As no-one else has come up with any numbers I'd say if it's a solid, tidy, running, MOT'd car needing a bit of finishing off even as a project it should be worth over £5k, but it could be worth 2 or 3 times that depending what it looks like, how well it's been done, the results of a thorough inspection by a specialist and what's needed to finish it.
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Wow, that must have costs a small fortune to put together! It looks reasonably done from a distance but I am sure that I am not alone in not seeing the point of such a conversion.How fed up would you get of hearing - 'wow mate thats a lovely 993.......er hang on the interior is wrong....eh...oh no...'
The irony is that if the car had been restored to its original spec it would be now worth over 30k! Or is that £144995?
Edited by mollytherocker on Thursday 22 May 08:07
Just noticed that it was originally a Targa. Assuming it is still a targa then I can't possibly imagine just how wrong it will look.
Everyone is entitled to their own taste, but really a Targa is not the starting point. That one above doesn't look too bad until you see inside.
In your mind you know that if anyone committed the same crime against say a TVR they would be laughed at and the laughing wouldn't stop.
Everyone is entitled to their own taste, but really a Targa is not the starting point. That one above doesn't look too bad until you see inside.
In your mind you know that if anyone committed the same crime against say a TVR they would be laughed at and the laughing wouldn't stop.
I appreciate the replies. I agree that original cars will be worth MORE, however, everything has a value. Yes, it may not be a purist's dream machine but it looks a lot better than a standard Targa in my opinion; I have never personally liked the look of them.
Seeing as no one knows what I have paid for it, it seems ridiculous to make statements like the following:
'SC targa 993 turbo hybrid mashup = two fifths of b*gger all
Good grief man what were you thinking of? Wake up and smell the coffee!
In your shoes I would either:
1 renege on the deal and refuse to take delivery
2 immediately start breaking the car for parts and put them on ebay because the sum of the parts will undoubtedly be greater than the whole.
Put this mistake behind you ASAP and Good luck with the wedding and the business.'
If I had agreed to pay £15,000, then yes, it would not have been a good deal, but I didn't . . .
Once I take delivery of it, I will upload some pictures for you all to have a good laugh, then I will list it on ebay and I think it will sell pretty quickly . . .
I agree that breaking it would yeild a higher return, but the effort that goes into it probably isn't worth it.
Seeing as no one knows what I have paid for it, it seems ridiculous to make statements like the following:
'SC targa 993 turbo hybrid mashup = two fifths of b*gger all
Good grief man what were you thinking of? Wake up and smell the coffee!
In your shoes I would either:
1 renege on the deal and refuse to take delivery
2 immediately start breaking the car for parts and put them on ebay because the sum of the parts will undoubtedly be greater than the whole.
Put this mistake behind you ASAP and Good luck with the wedding and the business.'
If I had agreed to pay £15,000, then yes, it would not have been a good deal, but I didn't . . .
Once I take delivery of it, I will upload some pictures for you all to have a good laugh, then I will list it on ebay and I think it will sell pretty quickly . . .
I agree that breaking it would yeild a higher return, but the effort that goes into it probably isn't worth it.
supersport said:
In your mind you know that if anyone committed the same crime against say a TVR they would be laughed at and the laughing wouldn't stop.
That is not strictly true, people have converted MK1 Tuscans to Sagaris targas. They look great, go like a bullet and people gave them a pat on the back for creating something special.I just sold my 1998 Cerbera 4.5 with 10,000 miles from new, not a single thing changed from when it left the factory; beautiful car. It sold in 11 hours, so believe me, I do appreciate the benefits of originality.
I am just making the point that everything has a value. Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to what that value is or even give a rough idea as to what it may be worth in parts?
It has original Fuchs if that gains me any Porsche points!
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