Where have all the 3.2,s gone?
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Type 49 said:
Ah got it! But I had to google the answer.
Very clever indeed:-)
Or in my case a Type 49 Lotus elise, my first one
Ah, I see! Maybe they copied that off Ford!Very clever indeed:-)
Or in my case a Type 49 Lotus elise, my first one
My roots are in old Fords and the type 49 rally shell was legendary, still is. I just assumed that was your reference!
mollytherocker said:
truckpdt said:
Be afraid, be very afraid, as they say 
I've been to see quite a few Carrera 3.2's of late and you really do need to have a dam good poke around underneath. I took along a maglite torch and home made wooden back with carpet and roller-skates so I could easily traverse the lengths of the car underneath or get the car on the ramps if they have it. The oil cooler pipes are drivers side and with the heat variance, they tend to rust more this side. I've seen so called good examples with various obvious rust in all sorts of areas. Front wings, rear wings, kidney bowls (with limited access), sills etc. and a lot of it, you just can't see. Some of the rust was really obvious when you look up close as well.....front wings for example are a classic and they're not cheap from Porsche!!! I always look for strong evidence of "decent" money spent over the years. To be honest I'm less worried about mechanicals as they're quite robust and even those needing a top end will still run on and appear not bad at all. It's the body structure that needs to be investigated and a lot of it you just can't see. If you don't see any bills for body work repairs then factor it in if you have long term ownership in mind. I've also seen adverts that boast a great service history, but these cars are 25-30 years old and quite often they do have a wedge of history, but more often than not it's routine servicing and nothing major showing with the odd SSI or exhaust tailpipe to get through an MOT. Problem is, unless you do an independent inspection, the seller doesn't really expect you to read through 25 years of history for which a 1/4 might be replacement tyres, mots, and some being routine servicing etc. All well and good, but it's the big bills you want to see.
The problem at the moment is that the market is high and so average examples cost very decent money and it's easy to be all wide eyed on first impressions and part with your cash all too easily only to feel the doubts start to set in once you've owned it for a while. Purchased based on proper research or use Peter Morgan to inspect the car. I'd ALWAYS go for an independent inspection on a car this age.
IMHO it's best to up your budget and secure a car that's had a decent wedge spent on it. I think racingrestorations has one at something like £38K, (don't quote me) but it's had top end, overhauled suspension, glass out respray, kidney bowls, sills etc. etc. So if you're thinking of spending £28K or £30K for example and there's another at £38K with the amount of work done I've just quoted then there's no way that the difference of 8-10K would cover ALL this work.
Just giving you my input based on recent experience. I really like the 3.2 but a lot of them don't drive well and you totally NEED to drive a good one in order to compare with the examples of the market and then consider what I've said above.
A top post. Wise words. I've been to see quite a few Carrera 3.2's of late and you really do need to have a dam good poke around underneath. I took along a maglite torch and home made wooden back with carpet and roller-skates so I could easily traverse the lengths of the car underneath or get the car on the ramps if they have it. The oil cooler pipes are drivers side and with the heat variance, they tend to rust more this side. I've seen so called good examples with various obvious rust in all sorts of areas. Front wings, rear wings, kidney bowls (with limited access), sills etc. and a lot of it, you just can't see. Some of the rust was really obvious when you look up close as well.....front wings for example are a classic and they're not cheap from Porsche!!! I always look for strong evidence of "decent" money spent over the years. To be honest I'm less worried about mechanicals as they're quite robust and even those needing a top end will still run on and appear not bad at all. It's the body structure that needs to be investigated and a lot of it you just can't see. If you don't see any bills for body work repairs then factor it in if you have long term ownership in mind. I've also seen adverts that boast a great service history, but these cars are 25-30 years old and quite often they do have a wedge of history, but more often than not it's routine servicing and nothing major showing with the odd SSI or exhaust tailpipe to get through an MOT. Problem is, unless you do an independent inspection, the seller doesn't really expect you to read through 25 years of history for which a 1/4 might be replacement tyres, mots, and some being routine servicing etc. All well and good, but it's the big bills you want to see. The problem at the moment is that the market is high and so average examples cost very decent money and it's easy to be all wide eyed on first impressions and part with your cash all too easily only to feel the doubts start to set in once you've owned it for a while. Purchased based on proper research or use Peter Morgan to inspect the car. I'd ALWAYS go for an independent inspection on a car this age.
IMHO it's best to up your budget and secure a car that's had a decent wedge spent on it. I think racingrestorations has one at something like £38K, (don't quote me) but it's had top end, overhauled suspension, glass out respray, kidney bowls, sills etc. etc. So if you're thinking of spending £28K or £30K for example and there's another at £38K with the amount of work done I've just quoted then there's no way that the difference of 8-10K would cover ALL this work.
Just giving you my input based on recent experience. I really like the 3.2 but a lot of them don't drive well and you totally NEED to drive a good one in order to compare with the examples of the market and then consider what I've said above.
The trouble is you may be able to see some signs of rust in the lower B-post, but you often have to take of panels to see the extent of the spread of the corrosion.
Rust in older 911's is like a cancer, if there's signs of some you can guarantee there's more hidden elsewhere. Don't take anyones word for it.
Examples of the extent of rust which was rectified in the silver 3.2 Carrera now on for £80k at PS.
At least this car got restored (and to a great standard), but it's a costly procedure which has been reflected in the asking price. This is why those buying as an investment need to tread carefully.
I have a friend who's Dad has a Aston Martin DB5 which required rust removal, even at current price levels he thinks it's only just in profit!
Edited by g7jhp on Wednesday 25th March 09:48
kitesurfer2 said:
How can an impact bumper car that rusty ever be worth £80k?
Plenty of old Porsche which have had major rust repair which are a lot more expensive.The 3.2 Carrera hasn't sold at £80k, that's the asking price.
I noticed the original rebuild thread had been revised and no longer shows the extent of the bodywork repairs, which is a shame as it doesn't show the amount of work that's gone into the rebuild.
Originally it was a fantastic log showing how these cars hide the rust and how it can be skillfully repaired.
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