Where Has All The Pork Gone??
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Must say I've noticed a bit less AC Pork on the roads generally.
They were always quite a rare sight but now seem even rarer still.
As has been said I also reckon that perhaps people are choosing to hold on to them for the special range of qualities which they offer.
I do believe that they should be driven regularly though and not become garage queens due to potential values etc.
AC Pork thrive on being used as intended.
They were always quite a rare sight but now seem even rarer still.
As has been said I also reckon that perhaps people are choosing to hold on to them for the special range of qualities which they offer.
I do believe that they should be driven regularly though and not become garage queens due to potential values etc.
AC Pork thrive on being used as intended.
g7jhp said:
Agree and when we get the next dip happens aircooled 911's will come down like the rest of the market...if people need to sell/decide to get out of them.
Most classics including E-types etc have gone up and dropped before it'll happen again. It's just a case of when and how big the drop is!
Wrong wrong wrongMost classics including E-types etc have gone up and dropped before it'll happen again. It's just a case of when and how big the drop is!
Air colled is global, here to stay now........
Solarized said:
Must say I've noticed a bit less AC Pork on the roads generally.
They were always quite a rare sight but now seem even rarer still.
As has been said I also reckon that perhaps people are choosing to hold on to them for the special range of qualities which they offer.
I do believe that they should be driven regularly though and not become garage queens due to potential values etc.
AC Pork thrive on being used as intended.
I regularly see quite a few on the road, just the other week there must have been about 30 or more They were always quite a rare sight but now seem even rarer still.
As has been said I also reckon that perhaps people are choosing to hold on to them for the special range of qualities which they offer.
I do believe that they should be driven regularly though and not become garage queens due to potential values etc.
AC Pork thrive on being used as intended.
g7jhp said:
mollytherocker said:
g7jhp said:
Agree and when we get the next dip happens aircooled 911's will come down like the rest of the market...if people need to sell/decide to get out of them.
Most classics including E-types etc have gone up and dropped before it'll happen again. It's just a case of when and how big the drop is!
I cant fathom a set of circumstances that would see air cooled prices come down. There just arent that many around and loads are being exported to an ever increasing world wide demand.Most classics including E-types etc have gone up and dropped before it'll happen again. It's just a case of when and how big the drop is!
I would be interested to hear how you think it could happen.
Alternative investment opportunities
People have been investing in cars because they offer(ed) a good return on investment compared to other alternatives. This ROI is now dropping as cars are at a high and are higher risk. If other alternatives become more attractive people will move their investments into those.
Economic downturn
We've had big crashes in the early 90's in 2008. These things do happen.Who knows how the next crash will be triggered (economic crash, war, disaster, terrorism), but if confidence is hit globally (or in a key global market) and the ripples are felt in the UK it will happen.
Demand
We're also seeing massive cultural and lifestyle shifts in the way people live. More people borrowing, hiring, loaning goods and services and less about the need to own them outright. The next generation aren't petrolheads, don't drive etc
Technology
Electric cars are coming, petrol and diesel are seeing massive shifts, it could all move quickly with autonomous cars etc.
Many of these are seen as longer term but you don't have to fathom a set of circumstances to see there are many ways things change. All I believe is it will happen it's just when and how big the drop hits!
Dr JonboyG said:
All of this is spot on, particularly demand.
I am convinced there is easily enough demand for the small number of cars. And this will continue no matter what the economy does.Yes, the really special stuff like 2.7RS and 993GT2 could go anywhere I suppose, but values are already all over the place. Every time another car is sold, the market is reset! Anyone who thinks these will one day drop to practical levels is dreaming.
Stuff like the 964 Carrera is now, what 35k for a decent example? Most owners have them because they love them. The economy wont change that.
mollytherocker said:
I am convinced there is easily enough demand for the small number of cars. And this will continue no matter what the economy does.
Yes, the really special stuff like 2.7RS and 993GT2 could go anywhere I suppose, but values are already all over the place. Every time another car is sold, the market is reset! Anyone who thinks these will one day drop to practical levels is dreaming.
Stuff like the 964 Carrera is now, what 35k for a decent example? Most owners have them because they love them. The economy wont change that.
Spot on!Yes, the really special stuff like 2.7RS and 993GT2 could go anywhere I suppose, but values are already all over the place. Every time another car is sold, the market is reset! Anyone who thinks these will one day drop to practical levels is dreaming.
Stuff like the 964 Carrera is now, what 35k for a decent example? Most owners have them because they love them. The economy wont change that.
During this last dip I visited a Rolex dealer asking "when is they sale going to start", the salesman smiled and said "prices just went up 20%"
I believe Porsche have this level of appeal.
Where's this electric revolution? I can't see it.
I remember well be told in the late Seventies oil would run out within 30 years, well it's nearly 40 years later and I'm still filling up with it.
Millions and millions of fossil fueled cars on our roads. If and it's a BIG if electric cars rather than other types of fossil 'free' cars do, then it will be years and years off. Doesn't matter how much they restrict fossil fueled cars from major cities, there's still millions and millions of miles of roads in the World where there ain't a charge point to plug yr car into. That will be the case for a very long time.
Saying that, who gives a damn if it could happen in 50 years time, most of us won't be here then. Electric cars have been around as long as the petrol engine, when the infrastructure and ease of use of electric cars become as easy to use/service as petrol ones then fair enough, but that will take years and billions. By then the world would have proberly moved on to something else.
I remember well be told in the late Seventies oil would run out within 30 years, well it's nearly 40 years later and I'm still filling up with it.
Millions and millions of fossil fueled cars on our roads. If and it's a BIG if electric cars rather than other types of fossil 'free' cars do, then it will be years and years off. Doesn't matter how much they restrict fossil fueled cars from major cities, there's still millions and millions of miles of roads in the World where there ain't a charge point to plug yr car into. That will be the case for a very long time.
Saying that, who gives a damn if it could happen in 50 years time, most of us won't be here then. Electric cars have been around as long as the petrol engine, when the infrastructure and ease of use of electric cars become as easy to use/service as petrol ones then fair enough, but that will take years and billions. By then the world would have proberly moved on to something else.
anonymous said:
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I was responding to more than one reply. I also think fully driverless cars are a very very long way off if at all if we are still using roads for what and how we use them for now. Just to many variables that computers will not be capable of understanding/dealing with.The first time a fully automated loaded car kills (God forbid) a family on a day out, it will be the end of them.
Edited by Wozy68 on Saturday 20th June 14:15
Wozy68 said:
Where's this electric revolution? I can't see it.
I remember well be told in the late Seventies oil would run out within 30 years, well it's nearly 40 years later and I'm still filling up with it.
Millions and millions of fossil fueled cars on our roads. If and it's a BIG if electric cars rather than other types of fossil 'free' cars do, then it will be years and years off. Doesn't matter how much they restrict fossil fueled cars from major cities, there's still millions and millions of miles of roads in the World where there ain't a charge point to plug yr car into. That will be the case for a very long time.
Saying that, who gives a damn if it could happen in 50 years time, most of us won't be here then. Electric cars have been around as long as the petrol engine, when the infrastructure and ease of use of electric cars become as easy to use/service as petrol ones then fair enough, but that will take years and billions. By then the world would have proberly moved on to something else.
Who cares whats happening in the rest of the world? I think all road cars in the UK within the next 10 years might be electric. Horrible thought for most of us I know but there is real momentum behind this at government level...I remember well be told in the late Seventies oil would run out within 30 years, well it's nearly 40 years later and I'm still filling up with it.
Millions and millions of fossil fueled cars on our roads. If and it's a BIG if electric cars rather than other types of fossil 'free' cars do, then it will be years and years off. Doesn't matter how much they restrict fossil fueled cars from major cities, there's still millions and millions of miles of roads in the World where there ain't a charge point to plug yr car into. That will be the case for a very long time.
Saying that, who gives a damn if it could happen in 50 years time, most of us won't be here then. Electric cars have been around as long as the petrol engine, when the infrastructure and ease of use of electric cars become as easy to use/service as petrol ones then fair enough, but that will take years and billions. By then the world would have proberly moved on to something else.
Sure we'll still be able to own petrol/diesel cars but they'll be prohibitively expensive. The next generation will probably look at us in disbelief that we were so reckless using fossil fuels to power our cars.....
anonymous said:
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Brainless? Blimey.There are fewer planes flying than cars driving. Yet planes can basically fly themselves. Still we have pilots just in case.
There will never be fully automated cars IMO as you have to allow for the unexpected. City cars possibly, but not for any other kind of driving.
For it to work safely, everything else from lawn mowers to tractors would also need to be, and IMO that won't happen.
anonymous said:
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The brainless bit I didn't take personally so no worry there 
I remember watching an old film about the future of London. I think it was made in th late fifties. It visualised an inner circular motorway (you can still see the blanked off exits on the elivated section of the A40 near Paddingtom) and a large helicopter port in the centre of the city on the Thames.
All based on the rise of the usage of the car and air travel. Neither came to fruitrition as other factors became more important. I believe that will become the case with driverless cars. The world will move on or adapt. It would take a lot of nerve for a family man in the car for example for his family to be driven around in a fully automated car where he had no control to make a decision.
Edited by Wozy68 on Saturday 20th June 15:51
Last time I looked we lived in a "Democracy" (at least to some degree depending on how paranoid you want to be!) and I simply can't see a 4 yearly elected government easily convincing the general electorate to give up the car and motoring as we know without some serious reisistance.
I think it's far more likely in the medium to long term that we'll see more 'driver aids' in the shape of intelligent preventative mechanisms like active cruise control, lane warning systems, and of course ever lower speed restrictions (sadly, in the latter case).
I don't doubt the mapping and navigation tech exists today, but I do majorly doubt that it's implementable at a feasible cost.
I think it's far more likely in the medium to long term that we'll see more 'driver aids' in the shape of intelligent preventative mechanisms like active cruise control, lane warning systems, and of course ever lower speed restrictions (sadly, in the latter case).
I don't doubt the mapping and navigation tech exists today, but I do majorly doubt that it's implementable at a feasible cost.
k than drive! ;-)anonymous said:
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Why you can't see that a great 'idea' and large investment might not come to fruition beggers belief.We will see. You may ridicule me, but we will see in fifteen years from now where we are. Then we will know for sure just how we are or not driving cars on our roads.
Wozy68 said:
Why you can't see that a great 'idea' and large investment might not come to fruition beggers belief.
We will see. You may ridicule me, but we will see in fifteen years from now where we are. Then we will know for sure just how we are or not driving cars on our roads.
Special character....best to ignore. We will see. You may ridicule me, but we will see in fifteen years from now where we are. Then we will know for sure just how we are or not driving cars on our roads.
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