Can't afford a 964 then buy a 993

[Steve Rance]

Wayne Scolfied managed to get my standardard engine (LWF and Dansk cat pipe) to 302bhp with a remap. It was perfect ambient to be fair but it will still make 290 on a hot day. Impressive.

It still feels like a hair dryer compaired to a Metz but these cars are not really about power

[ras62]

It takes a big difference in power to make a car noticeably faster. Take a look at how close the three 911's are in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34VjcplEeMk

[roygarth]

davek_964 said:

I think delivery of the power makes a big difference, so maybe that's the main difference between the 993 and 964, because outright power difference definitely isn't huge on paper.
Different car I know, but my AM Vantage feels slow - put your foot down on a twisty road and there is no urgency at all - and on a straight road, it feels like the acceleration is pretty poor. However - take a glance at the speedo, and it does indeed shift - it just never feels like it does. I'm absolutely sure my Cayenne would get left behind by the Vantage - but it feels like it accelerates quicker.

Absolutely! My Challenge Stradale 'feels' much quicker than my 550 Maranello but on paper there's very little in it.

[Orangecurry]

...looks like fun, but all that proves is that driving cars on a circuit is... fun

Oh and that the 993 is the best looking...........

[C4ME]

Of course the 993 has six gears to the five in the 964 so maybe that makes a difference to the acceleration. The Varioram in the 285 engines does change the torque characteristic as well and they feel different to the non varioram 993 and 964. To me the non varioram 993 feels very similar in feel to the 964 and has that distinct surge up the rev range so it sort of feels faster than it is. By the time they get going the varioram engine is already on it so it feels more linear.

[C4ME]

I have never seen the gear analysis charts for 993 VR, 993 NVR and 964 overlaid on one another.

[boxsey]

ras62 said:

It takes a big difference in power to make a car noticeably faster. Take a look at how close the three 911's are in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34VjcplEeMk

LOL! Love those old Japenese battle videos.

[ras62]

C4ME said:

I have never seen the gear analysis charts for 993 VR, 993 NVR and 964 overlaid on one another.

All sorts of different boxes and ratios in this thread. http://rennlist.com/forums/993-forum/715760-re-gea...

[Haves1979]

Out of interest, is the view that the kind of prices being asked in the classifieds for 964s being achieved?

[C4ME]

I see the latest issue of Total911 has a 964 vs 993 head to head.

"Elsewhere, in the new issue, two of the most popular air-cooled Porsche 911s of all time, the 964 Carrera and its 993 successor go head-to-head in a definitive battle to find the better driver’s car."

Edited by C4ME on Tuesday 22 November 11:00

[IMI A]

C4ME said:

I see the latest issue of Total911 has a 964 vs 993 head to head.

"Elsewhere, in the new issue, two of the most popular air-cooled Porsche 911s of all time, the 964 Carrera and its 993 successor go head-to-head in a definitive battle to find the better driver’s car."

Edited by C4ME on Tuesday 22 November 11:00

Thats quite a u turn! I suppose they have to regurgitate old debates as they have very little content to fill pages. Every successive 911 is better than the one before it from a dynamic perspective. Doesn't always mean its a more desirable car IMO - the 993 is no doubt a v.pretty and desirable car - I still prefer the old school 964 looks.

[Mike Holmes]

i always liked the 993 over the 964 ,but prefer this

Edited by Mike Holmes on Wednesday 28th December 17:43

[SRT Hellcat]

Supersport or 930 turbo. Yep both very special. Although you can run the front end lower on the turbo than you can on the supersport. Different mounting points for the steering rack. The Supersport is turbo look not turbo shell.

Edited by SRT Hellcat on Wednesday 28th December 20:40

[Mike Holmes]

Sorry i beg to differ there . all Supersports are turbo body shells , or that's what I been lead to believe for the past 20yrs

All the running gear is turbo , suspension ,brakes the only thing missing is the turbo

[SRT Hellcat]

Hey Mike. There is a reason Porsche called them Turbo Look. They are not a turbo shell. Ask a body shop that is used to jigging these cars. With the turbo there is a 1/2" spacer that sits where the steering rack mounting points are. The whole shape around that area is completely different. I had to modify my Supersport shell so I know for sure. When you drop the front end on the Supersport to race heights it runs on its bump stops. And voila it handles like a pig. So I had to bite an expensive bullet and modify my car. Remember the basalt black and Carrera gt silver road legal race going SSE. That was mine. They say you learn something new everyday

Edited by SRT Hellcat on Friday 30th December 00:05

[Mike Holmes]

Hi

I am checking with Porsche about this

Mike

[Mike Holmes]

Just checked and the Supersport and the Turbo body shells have the same part number

[SRT Hellcat]

You have not been able to buy a pre 89 shell from Porsche for an age. Speak to a proper experienced Porsche body shop and they will tell you that I am correct. Your Supersport is turbo look not turbo shell. Once I came across my issue it then made sense why Porsche called them turbo look

[SRT Hellcat]

Except the one subtle difference is the mounting point of the steering rack. The turbo shell is different to the supersport shell. The supersport is a standard 3.2 Carrera shell with turbo front and rear wings, spoiler of course. Take a look in the classifieds. SSE's are often tractor ride height at the front. Turbo's generally sit lower as they should. Trust me I know. £££'s to sort out and mine was a mint 1989 3.2 SSE as a base

[Mike Holmes]

I suspect you did not have a genuine M491 but a wide arched modified Carrera of which there are many. The obvious give away with those is that they needed wheel spacers at the rear to avoid having to change the suspension swing (banana) arms etc.

But hay ho you were happy with what you had and I am happy with what I've got

Edited by Mike Holmes on Saturday 31st December 15:55