Who builds the best outlaw 911 in the UK

[Steve Rance]

Not so keen on the huge arches. I think that the narrower bodied cars look nicer - unless you need the extra track for dynamic/performance reasons.

[BrewsterBear]

GTRene said:

I also like this sort solution, were the exhaust tips come out a bit higher and a bit placed in the chassis, looks good me thinks.

its a example from 911-retro-works.co.uk

You see, to me that just looks obscene. There's no need for that wide a track unless it's running 400bhp+ and I know it won't be. The skirts are too low which is why the cutouts are there for the tailpipes. Retroworks have made some pretty cars, but they've made a lot of mingers too with massive arches and extended bumpers to cover the 964 underpinnings.

Singer get it right because all of their panels are bespoke. Whacking some ST arches and some fibreglass one-piece bumpers on does not make for a pretty car. In my opinion, anyway.

[Cheib]

Yup...shoving massive track width and tyres on a car and having a relatively tame engine driving them means that whilst it might look good it won’t drive well. The worst things is you’re adding unnecessary weight in the worst place possible.

[1602Mark]

I'd be happy with any 911, or even a 912.

Singer do get the whole arch / wheel thing just right though.

[Yellow491]

Cheib said:

Yup...shoving massive track width and tyres on a car and having a relatively tame engine driving them means that whilst it might look good it won’t drive well. The worst things is you’re adding unnecessary weight in the worst place possible.

Sorry cheib,they can drive very well with a standard 3.2 or 3.0,and be great fun with loads of grip.

[PhantomPH]

Cheib said:

Yup...shoving massive track width and tyres on a car and having a relatively tame engine driving them means that whilst it might look good it won’t drive well. The worst things is you’re adding unnecessary weight in the worst place possible.

So?

As much as I respect everyone's personal taste, it's absolutely that - personal taste. I personally think it looks great! And that's why these 'outlaw' builds are done primarily - for looks. If you really were building a car to 'drive great' then surely it would be drive-focused and no give a rat's about the looks?

To me, cars are like food - the first bite is with the eye. Wide track or not, these cars are not going to be slow or handle badly. Ultimately they are still a 911. This is a FAR cry from someone making their 1.0 Corsa look like a rally car.

[Cheib]

Yellow491 said:

Cheib said:

Yup...shoving massive track width and tyres on a car and having a relatively tame engine driving them means that whilst it might look good it won’t drive well. The worst things is you’re adding unnecessary weight in the worst place possible.

Sorry cheib,they can drive very well with a standard 3.2 or 3.0,and be great fun with loads of grip.

I stand corrected Yellow and am certainly not going to pretend I know half as much as you do about these cars. I should have been less unequivocal in my wording.

[Yellow491]

Cheib said:

I stand corrected Yellow and am certainly not going to pretend I know half as much as you do about these cars. I should have been less unequivocal in my wording.

You are forgiven

[Cheib]

1602Mark said:

I'd be happy with any 911, or even a 912.

Singer do get the whole arch / wheel thing just right though.

This is Rob Dickinson’s hotrod he built for himself which was the genesis for Singer....love it. Based on a 69 car...hence ht plate. Think it has a 3.0 engine in it.

[Dammit]

For me the best looking (road going) 911’s are the narrow body cars. I’d (far!) rather have a narrow body with 400 bhp than a turbo body with 300. Which is why I’m making one, albeit not air cooled.

[BertBert]

Dammit said:

For me the best looking (road going) 911’s are the narrow body cars. I’d (far!) rather have a narrow body with 400 bhp than a turbo body with 300. Which is why I’m making one, albeit not air cooled.

very interesting. How do you get tyres that can handle 400bhp in a narrow body car? And how do you get a non-aircooled motor in?

[Dammit]

Sorry - I wasn't clear. It's a 996, by "water cooled" I was referring to the platform as well as the engine.

I'm not cutting up a 1970's shell for my watery perversions.

[BertBert]

Dammit said:

Sorry - I wasn't clear. It's a 996, by "water cooled" I was referring to the platform as well as the engine.

I'm not cutting up a 1970's shell for my watery perversions.

Doh, sorry

[1602Mark]

Cheib said:

1602Mark said:

I'd be happy with any 911, or even a 912.

Singer do get the whole arch / wheel thing just right though.

This is Rob Dickinson’s hotrod he built for himself which was the genesis for Singer....love it. Based on a 69 car...hence ht plate. Think it has a 3.0 engine in it.

Looks great. Especially like the unusual colour combo, although wouldn't be my own choice. Any interior pics?

[Cheib]

1602Mark said:

Looks great. Especially like the unusual colour combo, although wouldn't be my own choice. Any interior pics?

Here you go (credit Total 911)...I live it especially the mid matched seats which is something you could order from the factory in period.

[1602Mark]

Cheib said:

1602Mark said:

Looks great. Especially like the unusual colour combo, although wouldn't be my own choice. Any interior pics?

Here you go (credit Total 911)...I live it especially the mid matched seats which is something you could order from the factory in period.

Does look great. Prototipo is just perfect in any car of that era and really like the pedals. Are they custom? I'm assuming so.

[Cheib]

Love this very high quality 964....looks almost totally standard. I did think for a while last year of buying a high mileage 964 RS that needed some TLC and doing something similar. RSR engine, updates suspension etc,

I kind of think 964 RS is Porsche’s own hot rod....apart from the lowered suspension looks very much like a standard 911 to the uninitiated.

https://youtu.be/r-kKXN8Uw-A

Pics on their website here

https://workshop5001.com/projects/no7/

[Yellow491]

[quote=Cheib]Love this very high quality 964....looks almost totally standard. I did think for a while last year of buying a high mileage 964 RS that needed some TLC and doing something similar. RSR engine, updates suspension etc,

I kind of think 964 RS is Porsche’s own hot rod....apart from the lowered suspension looks very much like a standard 911 to the uninitiated.

https://youtu.be/r-kKXN8Uw-A

Pics on their website here

https://workshop5001.com/projects/no7/

Wow,what a great quality car build,10times nicer than a singer,attention to detail is heartwarming,thanks for sharing.

[MDL111]

That 964 is lovely - seems like a perfect daily/weekend car.

[Cheib]

Here’s one of their earlier cars,,,Jethro loves it! Crazy money mind.

https://youtu.be/c64Dkml9vY4

They’ve also been on Jay Leno...founder is ex Singer

https://youtu.be/e7OR1BiqkrY