Buying a hot rod air-cooled 911
Discussion
Yellow491 said:
That car resembles a st as close as a 928 into a st is,the explanation of what st are also interesting and contradicts,may be info from a book or even worse internet/piston heads expert!
To build a accurate st or rsr that gets any where near the real deal is going to be closer to 200k today by the good guys such as autofarm or tutts etc
Looks nice though.
Totally agree. Mine took significant patience to get right as you know, built from certificated S shell, correct engine, pump, box and weighs 930kg wet. Neil took 9 months to sort engine and pushes 252bhp out of the 2.5lt. As close to a real ST as possible, but not at the £1.3m price tag for an original. There’s a plethora of hot rods out there which, as have been pointed out, appeal to a very niche market and difficult to sell on. For me personally, knocks the new stuff into a tin helmet.To build a accurate st or rsr that gets any where near the real deal is going to be closer to 200k today by the good guys such as autofarm or tutts etc
Looks nice though.
Robbo66 said:
Totally agree. Mine took significant patience to get right as you know, built from certificated S shell, correct engine, pump, box and weighs 930kg wet. Neil took 9 months to sort engine and pushes 252bhp out of the 2.5lt. As close to a real ST as possible, but not at the £1.3m price tag for an original. There’s a plethora of hot rods out there which, as have been pointed out, appeal to a very niche market and difficult to sell on. For me personally, knocks the new stuff into a tin helmet.
That's gorgeous 
Wicked car robbo,a 2.5 or 2.8 engine to original spec as in correct period parts will run you a min a cool 100k now.
Just put straight through megaphones on my 2.8 ready for brands hatch this weekend,40 special cars on display and a few laps.
,cant wait for the drive by db meter.[url]
Big brother!
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Just put straight through megaphones on my 2.8 ready for brands hatch this weekend,40 special cars on display and a few laps.
,cant wait for the drive by db meter.[url]Big brother!
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IMI A said:
Amazing build Robbo. I seriously doubt yours would be difficult to sell on as shes so faithful to the original. Looks amazing and bet she flys. Green car still nice as a fun car to own but after seeing yours I'n even doubting my £80k arm chair valuation
Have some info here, mag ran article little while ago. 
Just to caveat, doesn’t have to be period ‘beard’ spec to give you the thrills a well sorted 70’s aircooled can offer. If someone like Nick or Chris at CG has breathed on them, then they will be fantastic and often quicker as they will be running more modern electronics and higher BHP etc. Went to Alps last year with 2 and they are brilliantly sorted, quick cars. I think you just need to be careful as lots of B/S out there and you could easily be hoodwinked. Best secure services of well respected specialist, request they look over your prospective purchase before committing. Good luck with search.
Turn this up....
https://youtu.be/5N6Ei_OfcN4
Longman66 said:
Thats way too much , had a major wobble last yr and almost sold mine for £49k , a 278 hp 1120 kilo modded 3.2 , had lots of interest and offers..
I would rather my mate Richards old car , properly sorted over many years of development..
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Interested to note Richard's comments about standard 3.2 engines being 'lazy'. I bought a very nice '85 3.2 a few years back thinking it would satisfy my boyhood 911 dreams but it did seem exactly that, lazy. A perfect SC I'd driven earlier seemed a lot more energetic somehow. I would rather my mate Richards old car , properly sorted over many years of development..
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Edited by Longman66 on Friday 24th August 20:46
Slippydiff said:
it’s still a Cat D. And whilst it may have been a light tap on what was then a cheap car, it’s still on the register with the stigma that’s attached to it ...
I can't see Cat D being terribly relevant on a 30 year old car particularly when many of them have had extensive rust repair, some of them more than once. IMHO Cat D is relevant when there are multiple original "recent" cars available in similar condition and one is Cat D and the rest aren't. But after 30 years it's all just shades of patina. To steal a quote from the IB forum "there are no virgins in the bordello".Steve Rance said:
To the OP. I think that it may be better to hot rod a 911 whilst retaining it’s identity: ie if it’s a 993 or 964, retaining the silhouette and not trying to make it into a car it isn’t. In that way the car retains its effective integrity whilst still exhibiting an element of individuality. All air cooled 911’s have huge character already.
Completely agree Steve. It seems as if anyone commissioning a back-date these days has to acknowledge from the start that they will never see that money back. I like the idea of a completely standard looking car but with a wicked engine in the backBlackpuddin said:
Longman66 said:
Thats way too much , had a major wobble last yr and almost sold mine for £49k , a 278 hp 1120 kilo modded 3.2 , had lots of interest and offers..
I would rather my mate Richards old car , properly sorted over many years of development..
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Interested to note Richard's comments about standard 3.2 engines being 'lazy'. I bought a very nice '85 3.2 a few years back thinking it would satisfy my boyhood 911 dreams but it did seem exactly that, lazy. A perfect SC I'd driven earlier seemed a lot more energetic somehow. I would rather my mate Richards old car , properly sorted over many years of development..
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Edited by Longman66 on Friday 24th August 20:46
Robbo66 said:
IMI A said:
Amazing build Robbo. I seriously doubt yours would be difficult to sell on as shes so faithful to the original. Looks amazing and bet she flys. Green car still nice as a fun car to own but after seeing yours I'n even doubting my £80k arm chair valuation
Have some info here, mag ran article little while ago. Just to caveat, doesn’t have to be period ‘beard’ spec to give you the thrills a well sorted 70’s aircooled can offer. If someone like Nick or Chris at CG has breathed on them, then they will be fantastic and often quicker as they will be running more modern electronics and higher BHP etc. Went to Alps last year with 2 and they are brilliantly sorted, quick cars. I think you just need to be careful as lots of B/S out there and you could easily be hoodwinked. Best secure services of well respected specialist, request they look over your prospective purchase before committing. Good luck with search.
Turn this up....
https://youtu.be/5N6Ei_OfcN4
Robbo66 said:
IMI A said:
Amazing build Robbo. I seriously doubt yours would be difficult to sell on as shes so faithful to the original. Looks amazing and bet she flys. Green car still nice as a fun car to own but after seeing yours I'n even doubting my £80k arm chair valuation
Have some info here, mag ran article little while ago. Just to caveat, doesn’t have to be period ‘beard’ spec to give you the thrills a well sorted 70’s aircooled can offer. If someone like Nick or Chris at CG has breathed on them, then they will be fantastic and often quicker as they will be running more modern electronics and higher BHP etc. Went to Alps last year with 2 and they are brilliantly sorted, quick cars. I think you just need to be careful as lots of B/S out there and you could easily be hoodwinked. Best secure services of well respected specialist, request they look over your prospective purchase before committing. Good luck with search.
Turn this up....
https://youtu.be/5N6Ei_OfcN4
Trouble is a lot of dealers are riding on the back of what the real cars are in there sales bs,yet the car they are selling has no bareing on the real deal,yet the price tag is getting close to a very good authentic as you can make it rep.
Blackpuddin said:
Interested to note Richard's comments about standard 3.2 engines being 'lazy'. I bought a very nice '85 3.2 a few years back thinking it would satisfy my boyhood 911 dreams but it did seem exactly that, lazy. A perfect SC I'd driven earlier seemed a lot more energetic somehow.
Odd, mine comes alive above 4kFor me, the appeal of a hotrod is that it’s a bit rough around the edges. Magnus Walker’s ex-track day SC was a good base as it’s was mechanically sound but a little rough in the body. Customise it to your own taste and then drive it like you stole it. I’d also only bother going hotrod if it’s going to be a keeper. Unless, that is, money is no object!
I’d look towards the states or Japan for a hotrod or decent base, if you don’t mind LHD. They’re far more willing to hotrod cars than the UK market. Pelican Parts forum is a good start for the US
I’d look towards the states or Japan for a hotrod or decent base, if you don’t mind LHD. They’re far more willing to hotrod cars than the UK market. Pelican Parts forum is a good start for the US
AW10 said:
I can't see Cat D being terribly relevant on a 30 year old car particularly when many of them have had extensive rust repair, some of them more than once. IMHO Cat D is relevant when there are multiple original "recent" cars available in similar condition and one is Cat D and the rest aren't. But after 30 years it's all just shades of patina. To steal a quote from the IB forum "there are no virgins in the bordello".
I wasn’t suggesting that it being Cat D would impact on its desirability per se, more it would impact on it’s asking price ... Come resale time, I suspect many (most ?) would shy away from buying a Cat D car over a non Cat D car that has had extensive corrosion repairs if they were the same price ?
Given I am the RB that used to own "RB's hot rod", I would be more than happy to answer any questions about the car. I venture I know a tad more about it after 16 yrs of owning it than one or 2 others. I (clearly) have no dog in this fight other than a little sentimental attachment, so I can be pretty candid.
I wrote the advert when I sold it a year ago and the current owner (a nice chap BTW and a real car enthusiast who has owned some pretty decent Pork and lots of other cool cars) has re-used the copy. He is reluctantly selling due to a change in circumstance. It is a fantastic car if you like real, raw, air cooled old stuff. It delivers some massive highs and for the last 10 years was used almost exclusively on the road and pretty low miles. At the risk of the commentators curse, its bulletproof. It's like the farmer's axe - everything was replaced on the car with a view to making it reliable on long trips. And BTW, it sold for a lot more than whoever suggested £30k as a realistic value. Yes, it appeals to a limited market, but £30k would barely buy you an engine plus a set 8/9x16 inch Fuchs these days.
Last thought for now, I don't pretend to know the technicalities, but I think the right description for the car is "condition inspected", which is different from Cat D. Yes/No? I had it condition inspected by Autolign, so I think its off the register. I may be wrong. I disclosed it all when I sold in any event to avoid confusion.
I wrote the advert when I sold it a year ago and the current owner (a nice chap BTW and a real car enthusiast who has owned some pretty decent Pork and lots of other cool cars) has re-used the copy. He is reluctantly selling due to a change in circumstance. It is a fantastic car if you like real, raw, air cooled old stuff. It delivers some massive highs and for the last 10 years was used almost exclusively on the road and pretty low miles. At the risk of the commentators curse, its bulletproof. It's like the farmer's axe - everything was replaced on the car with a view to making it reliable on long trips. And BTW, it sold for a lot more than whoever suggested £30k as a realistic value. Yes, it appeals to a limited market, but £30k would barely buy you an engine plus a set 8/9x16 inch Fuchs these days.
Last thought for now, I don't pretend to know the technicalities, but I think the right description for the car is "condition inspected", which is different from Cat D. Yes/No? I had it condition inspected by Autolign, so I think its off the register. I may be wrong. I disclosed it all when I sold in any event to avoid confusion.
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