964 prices

[kevs 172]

boxsey said:

I think there are actually a lot of good 964C2s around. It's just that they are not and will not be for sale. There is a very strong fan club for this car and those that own them have had them for a long time and spent a lot of money maintaining them. They realize that if they sold up and regretted it, that it would be very difficult to get back in a car of the same standard that they sold. Personally I would not buy a 964 that has not had a quality engine rebuild regardless of the mileage. They're at an age now that it's the maintenance history and condition that's important, not the mileage.

Those of us that were lucky enough to buy a 964 when they were unloved (you could get one for close to £10K in 2007) were happy to spend large amounts on engine rebuilds and other maintenance. Buying one now for less than £50K would only get you a ratty one and you would easily spend half that again on a rebuild, bodywork and everything else that needs doing.

Yes spot on. Once you drive a sorted one you are hooked!

[n12maser]

If it were me I'd be tempted to try buy a LHD Carrera 2 on the continent where there's both more choice and a proper pedal box on 1989 to 1990 cars.

[Steve Rance]

Won’t be selling mine in a hurry. Lovely little cars that do not subscribe to the ‘it’s good for an old car’ analogy. They are just plain good cars to drive full stop - providing you put some proper suspension on them.

Such a shame that this recipe isn’t replicated in a new car. If it were maybe we wouldn’t have to pay quite so much for a 964 these days

[Warmfuzzies]

I’ve had mine about 17 years, she’s now on 116k. I asked my local indie about a rebuild; mostly as it maybe cost effective now; and mainly for resale value and was told. Don’t bother, it doesn’t need it, and you’d only be wasting your money.
Hi Boxsey

Steve R, don’t believe we’ve met, but I think we must be close by judging from your previous comments, I’m in north Essex, near Bures.

Edited by Warmfuzzies on Monday 24th December 03:11

[SignalGruen]

boxsey said:

I think there are actually a lot of good 964C2s around. It's just that they are not and will not be for sale. There is a very strong fan club for this car and those that own them have had them for a long time and spent a lot of money maintaining them. They realize that if they sold up and regretted it, that it would be very difficult to get back in a car of the same standard that they sold. Personally I would not buy a 964 that has not had a quality engine rebuild regardless of the mileage. They're at an age now that it's the maintenance history and condition that's important, not the mileage.

Those of us that were lucky enough to buy a 964 when they were unloved (you could get one for close to £10K in 2007) were happy to spend large amounts on engine rebuilds and other maintenance. Buying one now for less than £50K would only get you a ratty one and you would easily spend half that again on a rebuild, bodywork and everything else that needs doing.

Spot on - virtually everything on my car has been rebuilt/upgraded/replaced over the past 7 years. Paid £13k for it and would take a considerable loss if I was lucky enough to find a buyer. But I would never sell it, nothing could replace it barring an air-cooled RS that I cannot afford anyway. Makes more sense for me to buy something to run alongside it.

[neutral 3]

Back in 2006, when perhaps 964 values were nearly at their £ lowest, I was on the look for a 964 C.2, to replace a nice, low miles 3.2 .
I went to view a black / grey leather J reg C.2 in Somerset. It was up for £12,950. It had some grot in one of the sills and I just did not like the grey interior. @ £11 I would have bought it.
I then viewed another Really nice K reg C.2 in Nth London. It was more money, but it drove beautifully and I think it had only done 40,000 odd thousand miles, but it's metallic red body was ruined for me, by the absolutely eye watering , dark red interior, which even included the dash ! I couldn't believe that someone could spec an interior like that!!
No way could I have lived with that interior.
I got a quote to re trim it, but the ££ numbers made no sence, so I passed on it.
Been looking again recently, but as a another 911 dealer pal told me " At the prices now being asked, the 964 is now Very poor value for money" .
As much as I would Really love one, I really can't see a nice history / spec / colour etc ( Black or dk met blue Please ) C.2 being worth £60 grand, as there is just so much else out there, for a lot less ££ ( inc the E46 M3 - I ran a tweaked one of these for 5 years and Loved it ) Great if you own a 964 of course, or any early 911.

[OhThatHurtAbit]

Just for sts and giggles, two near-identical cars, 27,000 miles and £55,000 apart....


http://locator.porsche.com/ipl-customer/ipl/detail...


https://specialistcarsltd.co.uk/autos/porsche-964-...

[RSVP911]

OhThatHurtAbit said:

Just for sts and giggles, two near-identical cars, 27,000 miles and £55,000 apart....


http://locator.porsche.com/ipl-customer/ipl/detail...


https://specialistcarsltd.co.uk/autos/porsche-964-...

Both crazy money in today’s market - I sold an immaculately restored showroom perfect, super rare 964 3.6 Turbo about 18 months ago with about 68,000 miles on the clock for about £k150 : good luck to them.

[OhThatHurtAbit]

RSVP911 said:

OhThatHurtAbit said:

Just for sts and giggles, two near-identical cars, 27,000 miles and £55,000 apart....


http://locator.porsche.com/ipl-customer/ipl/detail...


https://specialistcarsltd.co.uk/autos/porsche-964-...

Both crazy money in today’s market - I sold an immaculately restored showroom perfect, super rare 964 3.6 Turbo about 18 months ago with about 68,000 miles on the clock for about £k150 : good luck to them.

I would have paid £200k+ for that if you'd let me know at the time. Had a New Zealand buyer after and mint one (and I mean MINT) recently and willing pay top money for an addition to a collection. Life's a beach

[RSVP911]

OhThatHurtAbit said:

RSVP911 said:

OhThatHurtAbit said:

Just for sts and giggles, two near-identical cars, 27,000 miles and £55,000 apart....


http://locator.porsche.com/ipl-customer/ipl/detail...


https://specialistcarsltd.co.uk/autos/porsche-964-...

Both crazy money in today’s market - I sold an immaculately restored showroom perfect, super rare 964 3.6 Turbo about 18 months ago with about 68,000 miles on the clock for about £k150 : good luck to them.

I would have paid £200k+ for that if you'd let me know at the time. Had a New Zealand buyer after and mint one (and I mean MINT) recently and willing pay top money for an addition to a collection. Life's a beach

Funnily enough it came from NZ (originally a Singapore RHD car) I was the 4th owner.

It sat for sale at JZM for about 4 months - one challenge with it in fairness was it wasn’t the original colour - it started life as Horizon Blue Metalic and the original Singapore owner re sprayed it to Polar Silver right at the beginning of its life as I think he preferred the colour .

When I did the full resto including a full bare metal re spray, I couldn’t decide what colour to do it in - Polar it’s “original inherited life long colour” or HBM it’s factory colour - I prefer Polar and went with that - it was a mistake in hindsight , but I didn’t care as I bought the car for me not to sell and as such, it was was it was. But in fairness it would have knocked £k20 off the sale price (the cost to put back to HBM) so I guess my £k150 was nearer £k170.

I know who bought it if you want to pm me .

Here it is on the beach in NZ - looks HBM in the shot - it’s just the light.

Edited by RSVP911 on Friday 28th December 21:10

[OhThatHurtAbit]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Horizon Blue is a great colour too, but each unto their own I suppose.The New Zealand guy has a place in Ridley Park, Singapore too, so could be the original owner. Hold fire for now, but will drop him a line

[RSVP911]

OhThatHurtAbit said:

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Horizon Blue is a great colour too, but each unto their own I suppose.The New Zealand guy has a place in Ridley Park, Singapore too, so could be the original owner. Hold fire for now, but will drop him a line

That would be a coincidence - however I have no idea if the new owner has any intentenion of selling or in fact hasn’t already - but I can email him and ask if you want me to - will do nothing yet.

[OhThatHurtAbit]

RSVP911 said:

OhThatHurtAbit said:

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Horizon Blue is a great colour too, but each unto their own I suppose.The New Zealand guy has a place in Ridley Park, Singapore too, so could be the original owner. Hold fire for now, but will drop him a line

That would be a coincidence - however I have no idea if the new owner has any intentenion of selling or in fact hasn’t already - but I can email him and ask if you want me to - will do nothing yet.

He's just waking up now, so bear with me.... Probably moved on from such old shrapnel now, but you never know

[SRT Hellcat]

neutral 3 said:

Back in 2006, when perhaps 964 values were nearly at their £ lowest, I was on the look for a 964 C.2, to replace a nice, low miles 3.2 .
I went to view a black / grey leather J reg C.2 in Somerset. It was up for £12,950. It had some grot in one of the sills and I just did not like the grey interior. @ £11 I would have bought it.
I then viewed another Really nice K reg C.2 in Nth London. It was more money, but it drove beautifully and I think it had only done 40,000 odd thousand miles, but it's metallic red body was ruined for me, by the absolutely eye watering , dark red interior, which even included the dash ! I couldn't believe that someone could spec an interior like that!!
No way could I have lived with that interior.
I got a quote to re trim it, but the ££ numbers made no sence, so I passed on it.
Been looking again recently, but as a another 911 dealer pal told me " At the prices now being asked, the 964 is now Very poor value for money" .
As much as I would Really love one, I really can't see a nice history / spec / colour etc ( Black or dk met blue Please ) C.2 being worth £60 grand, as there is just so much else out there, for a lot less ££ ( inc the E46 M3 - I ran a tweaked one of these for 5 years and Loved it ) Great if you own a 964 of course, or any early 911.

Could have been this one
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

[Olivera]

Despite lusting after a 964 C2, I'm oot at £50k+.

Most UK cars just aren't maintained to the standard I'd expect for this kind of money. As I remarked on another thread, the norm seems to be a 150k un-rebuild engine, the odd new bush or damper, and surface rust everywhere underneath.

Compare this to Germany where I was looking at a 55k euro 993 C2 earlier this year. The underneath was immaculate, what looked like a complete rebuild on everything suspension and brake related, basically as new condition.

[Steve Rance]

DIfferent ways of looking at that. If you accept the premise that the 964RS is one of the best air cooled drivers cars, you can build something as good or even better for substantially less than half of the cost of an RS from a base C2. I suppose on that basis they are still relatively good value.

I probably would have been agreeing with your thinking but having built my own 964 hot rod I would say that the driving experience can’t easily be replicated for similar money if you are looking for an air cooled car. Plus the chassis platform if far more modern than the body shape would suggest so you very much get the best of both worlds.

The air cooled driving experience is quite unique but these days comes at a price which isn’t cheap and Porsche won’t be making any more plus decent manual C2 and C4 coupes are thin on the ground so even with economic uncertainties it may be a very long wait to find a bargain.

If you begin to add water cooled 911’s to the mix, the 996GT3 comes into the same price bracket which is a far better platform and just as analog to drive - but it isn’t air cooled and doesn’t have the classic air cooled body shape - which is the main reason for the price difference. I think that, if anything the relative gap between aircooled and water cooled will widen in time.

Edited by Steve Rance on Saturday 29th December 10:15

[ras62]

VFM is a redundant concept in the classic market imo. A 964 is worth far less than a long hood 911, its also worth less than many Ford Escorts! So where is the VFM? The fact is supply is very limited, even more so now that Singer popularity has increased.

[neutral 3]

Helcat - Yes, that is the exterior colour! Velvet red metallic and the same ruddy interior colour! But the one I viewed had full leather and was a K plate ( which really appealed as it was a late one ) often wonder what happened to it!
I still lust over a C.2, but asking prices are just ridiculous.
Looking at another E46 M3 tomorrow and I still have my " tweaked" Griff, which for what it owes me, still offers more bang per buck than anything else out there.

[IMI A]

evodarren said:

IMI A said:

Very model dependent. Good RS and C2 Coupe aren't really ever going to go down in a meaningful way - too few good cars. On targas C4 LHD etc may be worth checking on mobile.de and buying from a good European dealer direct or speaking to someone like Williams Crawford who source v.nice LHD 964s to find something for you. You don't lose anything by waiting 2-3 months as the outlooks not going to improve for the foreseeable future. I personally feel the targas, C4 , cabs etc are still overpriced but they've been lifted by the more sought after cars. I remember checking on mobile.de when I was looking for a 964 and there were some stunning cars for sale.

Whatever happened to the lovely RS rep you looked at it? Is it still for sale?

Yes I think it is still for sale.i did speak to the guy a few weeks ago. Lovely fellow. Drove both,so different the 964 drives fairly modern compared to the 72 car.

Was this the RS rep you went to have a look at? Back up at £120k

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

[g7jhp]

I'd agree upto £35-40k a 964 C2 looks interesting.

At £45-50k is head to head with 997.2 C2S, 987 Cayman R or 987 Spyder.

At £75k it's 997.1 GT3.

Alot of very focused machines which appeal in their own way.