Porsche 964 price ?

[Koln-RS]

The Hairpin car looks nice - ticks a lot of boxes for a clean original low mileage 964.
‘80s Linen interior not my favourite - prefer darker colours with piping.
To buy and keep as an ‘aircooled’ classic and add 2-3000 mls pa could be attractive, but not at that price. Hairpin always top money and that one is a bit too optimistic, IMO.

[Orangecurry]

James_P said:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Exactly what I am looking for but the 9 previous owners puts me right off.

This has been discussed many times - why on earth not?

Every new owner will have lavished money on the car, and had many things addressed or serviced that a long-term owner would have neglected.

If it was a year-old Audi, nine owners is a problem. A twenty-five year old luxury third car? Every owner is a bonus.

But that looks ridiculously expensive. Buy the Facebooky car, and amend some of the more erm polarising aspects of the appearance.

[Desert Dragon]

Orangecurry said:

James_P said:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Exactly what I am looking for but the 9 previous owners puts me right off.

This has been discussed many times - why on earth not?

Every new owner will have lavished money on the car, and had many things addressed or serviced that a long-term owner would have neglected.

If it was a year-old Audi, nine owners is a problem. A twenty-five year old luxury third car? Every owner is a bonus.

But that looks ridiculously expensive. Buy the Facebooky car, and amend some of the more erm polarising aspects of the appearance.

I agree price needs to be adjusted to suit the current mkt. Why do Hairpin not put prices on all their cars? Its disingenuous IMO.

[seawise]

GTSJOE said:

congrats on acquiring that car - seemed sensibly priced given the spec and provenance. and i absolutely love the stance and colour combo.

many years and miles of happy motoring to you.

[James_P]

Taffy66 said:

Slippydiff said:

James_P said:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Exactly what I am looking for but the 9 previous owners puts me right off.

I'm not sure why ? It's 30 year old car now ...

It's been up for sale for a long time with them and no price drop..Its probably the nicest 964C2 for sale currently on Pistonheads.

I was hoping for something around the 3 or 4 owner mark being honest however I have been looking for quite a while now and agree this is the nicest one for some time. I am going to see what happens over the next 2 months as agree its over priced by 10k at least.

[Filibuster]

GTSJOE said:

Agree that most 964s currently for sale look good from a afar, not sure what they will be like to drive.

I recently bought a 964C2 from Hairpin Company. Car is a a G reg, late 1989. The car had a total restoration by Tech9 in 2014. Engine rebuild to 964RS spec, reprofiled cams, bespoke ECU tune to 300bhp, RS flywheel and clutch, Bilstein PSS10s etc.
£40,000 spent with the right people makes the asking price of £65,000 more palatable.
Lesson is to buy someone else’s work, only if done by the right people

That is just such a lovely car!!!
And the colour combination is just a dream

Considering what you got, that is actually a bargain!
I think I'd have this over a Singer...
And being an early car, it's great to have auto AC too! And BTW, that steering wheel looks spot on!!!

Bravo Sir !!!!

[woollyjoe]

Filibuster said:

I think I'd have this over a Singer...

Easy tiger... it’s a lovely colour combination and nice mods. Look at a Singer in real life and it’s a different car.

But yes, it’s the nicest example of a “standard” 964 I’ve seen in pictures.

[Filibuster]

woollyjoe said:

Filibuster said:

I think I'd have this over a Singer...

Easy tiger... it’s a lovely colour combination and nice mods. Look at a Singer in real life and it’s a different car.

But yes, it’s the nicest example of a “standard” 964 I’ve seen in pictures.

It is a different car, sure. And I have to say that I love Singers!
But they are just so damn expensive !!! (yes, I do realise what is involved in building them)
While a 964 with some mod is in the realm of possibility, a Singer probably is not. (I'd have to be really super rich, not only to afford but also to justify spending such an amount of money on a car.)

Also a Singer lacks the 80's charm of 964 completely. And the 964 comes along much more nonchalant, if you know what I mean.
The Singer always comes with the stigma of being a Singer, while a sightly modded 964 flies under the radar as being just an old Porsche.

If I'd win 1 million in the lottery, I'd buy a 964. If I'd win the full monty 100 million euro million, I'd consider a Singer.


ETA: Living in Switzerland, I also have not heard of a street legal Singer before. There are 1 or 2 cars here, but I think they are only show cars.
Our authorities here hate modifications like the plague! (or have we update this saying to "like the corona virus" yet?)
Certain things are either only possible as a super expensive individual acceptance, or not at all. You might end up needing two cars, one for testing/destruction, and one that gets accepted afterwards. (non OEM and non steel/aluminium Bodyworks needs to be approved for having it's splintering behaviour tested for example)
The first street legal Singer in Switzerland probably cost you a cool million, if at all.

Edited by Filibuster on Thursday 30th April 11:25

[Scott Laurie]

James_P said:

I was hoping for something around the 3 or 4 owner mark being honest however I have been looking for quite a while now and agree this is the nicest one for some time. I am going to see what happens over the next 2 months as agree its over priced by 10k at least.

I think the prices of 964 will soften, a little but no massively, good cars are rare and buyers tend to be buying as they are a rare collectable car as opposed to just another 911, (although i think a lot of people were or are buying with the expectation that values would increase or certainly not drop) faces with dropping prices they will be less attractive.

the main difficulty with high prices of 964s is what else you can get for your money, 997 Gen 2s , aston vantages,, 981 Bosters S, etc, etc all £30k, and all great cars, plus 997 turbos, 991's etc, etc, there is so much choice and these are the cars that will fair worse in a downturn in value as there are so many, which makes 964 prices look even less attractive.

https://borderreivers.co/portfolio/porsche-911-964...

this recently listed with Border Reivers, it looks lovely, massive miles and price, if it was an 70k mile car then perhaps


regards
Scott.

[Scott Laurie]

this was for sale end of last year, 70k odd miles, 2 owner car, black pinstripe interior. engine had been out to sort oil leaks, it was on at £59995, I had offered £55k on it and was turned down by the dealer, (must see if i can find the original link) Dealer had it on SOR and had it for sale for months.

it then appeared on Classic Cars for sale by the owner, at £55k and sold for £53k on the first day, I missed it,

history looked excellent and car very original,


regards
Scott.

[GTSJOE]

seawise said:

congrats on acquiring that car - seemed sensibly priced given the spec and provenance. and i absolutely love the stance and colour combo.

many years and miles of happy motoring to you.

Thanks Seawise! Yes, the stance is just right. The car is set up for fast road driving not track work so the ride is spot on, runs on Bilstein PSS10s

[Steve Rance]

Actually it doesnt sit a lot higher than mine which has a set up more track orientated.

[Steve Rance]

Mmm. Scratch that. When viewed together, theres a fair bit in it

[seawise]

GTSJOE said:

Thanks Seawise! Yes, the stance is just right. The car is set up for fast road driving not track work so the ride is spot on, runs on Bilstein PSS10s

stop it, it looks fantastic. love these cars - similar stance to mine below :

[Steve Rance]

Lovely car. Is that stock RS ride height?

[EdJ]

Please don't stop. I'm pouring over the various websites at the moment trying to figure out whether to go for it, and what level I should be aiming at.

Part of my dilemma is that I am unable to put much mileage on any purchase - so I'm a little torn between buying one with low miles and keeping it that way, or high miles and letting it average out over time.

There also seems to be fewer cars around the 50-60k miles - more around the 100k level or super low ones with less than 20k.

[kevs 172]

Go on then!

[Steve Rance]

Lovely - and a decent amount of rake.

[ras62]

EdJ said:

Please don't stop. I'm pouring over the various websites at the moment trying to figure out whether to go for it, and what level I should be aiming at.

Part of my dilemma is that I am unable to put much mileage on any purchase - so I'm a little torn between buying one with low miles and keeping it that way, or high miles and letting it average out over time.

There also seems to be fewer cars around the 50-60k miles - more around the 100k level or super low ones with less than 20k.

Buy only after a thorough inspection. There are so many unknown variables in a cars life even one at 50k miles. Mileage is possibly the worst indicator you can use imo. If its done 20k of those miles sitting in city traffic the engine/gearbox will be in worse shape than a car that has done 100k on open roads. Also, disconnection the speedometer is a very simple job. Caveat emptor.

[seawise]

Steve Rance said:

Lovely car. Is that stock RS ride height?

i think it's a tad lower frankly, although Paragon did set it up for fast road use.