Porsche 964 price ?

[Discombobulate]

This is the best 964 (C4) I could find. Original and nigh on perfect. If you don't mind pinstripe. I have seen the PPI from the previous owner from just over 2 years ago and it is impressive. I was sorely tempted but, despite some flexibility in the asking price, I couldn't justify.
https://www.slades-garage.co.uk/vehicle/porsche-91...

[Paul Dishman]

Discombobulate said:

This is the best 964 (C4) I could find. Original and nigh on perfect. If you don't mind pinstripe. I have seen the PPI from the previous owner from just over 2 years ago and it is impressive. I was sorely tempted but, despite some flexibility in the asking price, I couldn't justify.
https://www.slades-garage.co.uk/vehicle/porsche-91...

Those wheels aren't Cup alloys

[n12maser]

I didn't particularly enjoy mine, can't believe how expensive a 964 C4 is now. Albeit with some mods like pss10 suspension and lowering it probably would have been a different car.

As with many of these air-cooled cars, they need to be subtly modded to get the very best out of them.

[ChrisW.]

Paul Dishman said:

Those wheels aren't Cup alloys

Aren't they Cup 2's ? From the 993 and 968 era ... I'm not sure if the 964 ever came with these as standard ... D90's and Cup 1's seem more likely ?

[Discombobulate]

Paul Dishman said:

Those wheels aren't Cup alloys

It comes with its original D90 wheels.

[C4ME]

As discussed the wheels shown in the pictures are Cup 2 wheels, most commonly seen on the 993. The rears look to be the early version as they sit further in the arches than the later Cup 2s. Being a 1990 964 the car likely came fitted with D90s. Cup 1s are the usual OEM upgrade for a 964 as they suit the car better than the Cup 2s more rounded design. Original Cup 1s are not easy to find.

Edited by C4ME on Tuesday 4th July 16:45

[Bispal]

After recently driving a couple of 964's I have got the bug and I've been looking at 964's for sale but I am finding it very difficult to:-

1) See any for sale at all
2) Get a grip on price trends

Concentrating on manual, coupe cars there are only 5 for sale on PH. Discounting the special edition one at £172k, the other 4 have an average asking price of £88k with one POA. Of course I appreciate these are 'asking prices'

A trawl through CC shows that only 6 cars have sold in the past 12 months. Prices generally seem to be £60k for over 100k miles and £90k for under 50k miles. Apart from a recent C4 at £91k and 96k miles.

If you look at C2, manual coupes under 100k miles only 6 have passed through CC in the 4 years it has been trading, prices as above.

So where have they all gone? Are they in collections or have they all been back dated? They made 64k of them of which 32k where C2&C4 coupes. I can't find a C2/C4 split so lets say 50/50 and 75% manual? That would make 12k C2 manual coupes. Almost always UK works out at 10% production, so I would estimate 1,200 UK cars. I am sure someone will be able to give an accurate figure on this. I also think half will no longer exist or been subject to back dates or hot rod conversions, so possibly 600 original C2 manual coupes exist in the UK?

They seem to have followed a very similar value history to Ferrari F355 manual coupes and are now a very similar price. I think F355's have plateaued, have 964's done the same? Is is possible they can increase in price more? Or could the bubble burst? They have already had a meteoric rise from £20k 20 years ago to £50k 5 years ago to seemingly £90k now. Too much too fast for a series production car?

I can only think of the E type as a comparable series production car with a similar following but prices of those appear to have peaked and are possibly reducing as kids of the 80's are not as interested as kids of the 60's. I assume eventually the 964 will suffer the same fate.

I'm trying to determine if I buy now is it the last chance before they go £120k + or do people think a correction is due? I'm not interested in comparing it to other cars or Porsches which may be faster or allegedly better at the same price. This is a 964 only dilemma. I would be grateful for any views / opinions.

[gareth h]

How many cars are the likes of Singer mopping up? Do you think it is contributing to the limited number of cars available and the strong pricing? I guess many of the faults that might put off a private buyer are irrelevant to them if the car is going to be stripped anyway.

[Bispal]

gareth h said:

How many cars are the likes of Singer mopping up? Do you think it is contributing to the limited number of cars available and the strong pricing? I guess many of the faults that might put off a private buyer are irrelevant to them if the car is going to be stripped anyway.

Singer stopped 964 conversions in 2022 will be max 450 in total when the complete all the orders. They don't want to devalue the cars their customers have paid £1M+ for.

“We’ve actually stopped taking orders for ‘Classic’ “We’ve capped it to about 450 cars"

The company hasn’t taken this step because of a lack of unmodified examples to rebuild. “There are tens of thousands of 964s!” Dickinson said, adding that there are still plenty of ratty examples that the company doesn’t feel bad about “reimagining,” either"

"That also means that the development of its air-cooled flat-six has come to an end. Dickinson says he thinks the company has taken as far as it can go"

[gareth h]

Bispal said:

Singer stopped 964 conversions in 2022 will be max 450 in total when the complete all the orders. They don't want to devalue the cars their customers have paid £1M+ for.

“We’ve actually stopped taking orders for ‘Classic’ “We’ve capped it to about 450 cars"

The company hasn’t taken this step because of a lack of unmodified examples to rebuild. “There are tens of thousands of 964s!” Dickinson said, adding that there are still plenty of ratty examples that the company doesn’t feel bad about “reimagining,” either"

"That also means that the development of its air-cooled flat-six has come to an end. Dickinson says he thinks the company has taken as far as it can go"

But it’s not just Singer, there seem to be a few companies that have jumped on the £300k restomod business model.

[roca1976]

Seems reasonable and if you don't like red you could drop £10-15k on a colour change and still not lose your shirt.

https://www.amsporsche.com/964carrera2

[Bispal]

roca1976 said:

Seems reasonable and if you don't like red you could drop £10-15k on a colour change and still not lose your shirt.

https://www.amsporsche.com/964carrera2

£65k for 145k miles. That would not normally be considered 'reasonable' I'm struggling to understand why it is now considered that a very high mileage standard 964 at £65k is reasonable???

If you spend £15k, that's an £80k 145k mile 964 that isn't in its original colour, how would you not lose your shirt? Do you really think you could pass it on for £80k in 12 months time???

[roca1976]

Bispal said:

roca1976 said:

Seems reasonable and if you don't like red you could drop £10-15k on a colour change and still not lose your shirt.

https://www.amsporsche.com/964carrera2

£65k for 145k miles. That would not normally be considered 'reasonable' I'm struggling to understand why it is now considered that a very high mileage standard 964 at £65k is reasonable???

If you spend £15k, that's an £80k 145k mile 964 that isn't in its original colour, how would you not lose your shirt? Do you really think you could pass it on for £80k in 12 months time???

not my problem, it's your money. if you can find a cheaper C2 yourself crack on.

Edited by roca1976 on Wednesday 4th October 09:18

[Grantstown]

Are 964s at the point now, where you’d generally expect to have to a large amount of work on them? It could reset expectations and the thought of finding a perfect example, if you calculate that you’ll need to do an engine and gearbox rebuild, suspension refresh, rust, bodywork etc?

[IMI A]

I think it all depends on what your own definition of a good 964 C2 is. Reference examples with 30-40k miles and perfect annual service history are already £120k (if you can find one).

I'd personally rather have an F355. Looks undervalued against these and 993 turbo IMO.

[Bispal]

roca1976 said:

Bispal said:

roca1976 said:

Seems reasonable and if you don't like red you could drop £10-15k on a colour change and still not lose your shirt.

https://www.amsporsche.com/964carrera2

£65k for 145k miles. That would not normally be considered 'reasonable' I'm struggling to understand why it is now considered that a very high mileage standard 964 at £65k is reasonable???

If you spend £15k, that's an £80k 145k mile 964 that isn't in its original colour, how would you not lose your shirt? Do you really think you could pass it on for £80k in 12 months time???

not my problem, it's your money. if you can find a cheaper C2 yourself crack on.

Edited by roca1976 on Wednesday 4th October 09:18

Apologies I didn't mean it as you took it. I was trying to understand if you thought a 964 with 150k miles would be or is worth £80k ?

[Bispal]

IMI A said:

I think it all depends on what your own definition of a good 964 C2 is. Reference examples with 30-40k miles and perfect annual service history are already £120k (if you can find one).

I'd personally rather have an F355. Looks undervalued against these and 993 turbo IMO.

I had an F355 manual for 2 years and drove it back to back with a mates 964. I sold the F355 and have wanted a 964 ever since. Says it all for me.

[IMI A]

Hmmm nice to know grass always look greener on the other side!

[julian987R]

Raspberry Red PTS 964 Turbo. Lovely huh.

[stichill99]

I had my 993 written off in May this year but had always thought the 993 looks amazing from the back but something at the front is just not quite right from certain angles. I thought turbo bumper or RS look helps greatly and that was where I was heading before accident!
So what I really wanted was a 964 C2 and I started looking. I had not particularly been keeping an eye on prices but could not believe what was being asked for them. First car I saw was a nice red C2 at a dealer in Edinburgh at £75 995. I was still trying to get my head around prices so didn't jump but it then sold down to Brighton. Looked at the mot history of AMS car(mot failure for inner wing rust) and video showed terrible paint so dismissed that one. C2's as you say are very scarce in the classsifieds,quite a few C4's which I was not interested in. 911 virgin got a C4 in and it sold quickly but not for me. The car I eventually bought popped up on P/heads and I moved quickly and bought same day subject to inspection. Priced right and sold quickly .
If you look at prices in Europe and USA I think their is no sign of a collapse yet and probably some appreciation due to scarcity but who knows!
Modern gt4's don't do it for me and a lot of other people feel the same!