Which Porsche would you modify/hot rod and why?

[Grantstown]

Wow, I'd love to be take on such a project. I'm not yet there in my life to indulge in this.

If I could, I'd go for a stripped out 993 (currently unpopular relative to the 964 I guess, but I'd like to have the multi-link rear suspension to help mitigate a lack of driving talent). I'd like to liberate a bit more of the air cooled sound and remove some of the interior 90s plastic and carpet. Alongside it I'd be happy with a good SC to backdate to achieve the Steve Mcqueen 911S look in slate grey. A thorough mechanical overhaul and a porsche classic radio with bluetooth would suit me fine.

My own pride and joy is a 991.2 carrera with a manual gearbox. The modifying has started with an Akrapovic exhaust and a Litchfield remap. >500bhp with rear wheel drive and a manual box is a pretty unusual combination on the road. I enjoy it, but if time and money was no object, I'd love an air cooled project car to go to town on.

[Orangecurry]

Grantstown said:

If I could, I'd go for a stripped out 993 (currently unpopular relative to the 964 I guess, but I'd like to have the multi-link rear suspension to help mitigate a lack of driving talent).

Unpopular? 964 being cheaper and rustier maybe, and obviously the 993 is perfect to start with

One day if the world changes, I have nothing to do for a year and the roads clear I might strip out my 993.... hang on a minute

Edited by Orangecurry on Thursday 15th October 17:13

[Slippydiff]

964 RS an excellent, but pricey starting point. So I'd be patient and wait for a LHD, non-sunroof 964 C4 (for the high pressure electro/hydraulic brake system) or a C2.

Get whatsisface (Rothsport) in the States to build a 380-400 hp 4.0, NA motor, allied to a 993 RS CS 6 speed 'box (Yellow491 will be along shortly to tell us the model type is)

964 RS ali bonnet, ali doors (993 GT2 Evo), carbon fibre front wings and engine cover. Carbon fibre RS front and rear bumpers.

Ohlins TTX and 993 GT2 Evo front uprights along with 993 RS calipers front and rear.

Surface Transforms ceramic discs on stainless or Ti steel bells (stainless heavy, but would look nice, and stay looking nice)

Custom cast Cup 1 spec 17" wheels (the 9.5" rear/8"front jobs) utilising modern magnesium casting/forging technology.

Inconel exhaust (including manifolds) utilising the stock single oval tailpipe (got to be stealthy)

996 Cup steering wheel, stitching to match exterior colour (obviously) seat belts ditto.

Carbon Fibre Pole Positions in the correct perforated leather with double stitching and triple blue/pink or grey inserts. Highest quality/lowest weight aircraft-spec sound deadening beneath lightweight RS carpets. Leather dash and RS door cards/pulls/handles.

Exterior colour ? Maritime, Rubystone, Ferrari Giallo, or Blut Orange

Not that I've given the matter any thought whatsoever ...

But the above is never going to happen, so I have far cheaper Pork based Q car/hotrod in the planning stages right now.

[Porsche911R]

Slippydiff said:

964 RS an excellent, but pricey starting point. So I'd be patient and wait for a LHD, non-sunroof 964 C4 (for the high pressure electro/hydraulic brake system) or a C2.

Get whatsisface (Rothsport) in the States to build a 380-400 hp 4.0, NA motor, allied to a 993 RS CS 6 speed 'box (Yellow491 will be along shortly to tell us the model type is)

964 RS ali bonnet, ali doors (993 GT2 Evo), carbon fibre front wings and engine cover. Carbon fibre RS front and rear bumpers.

Ohlins TTX and 993 GT2 Evo front uprights along with 993 RS calipers front and rear.

Surface Transforms ceramic discs on stainless or Ti steel bells (stainless heavy, but would look nice, and stay looking nice)

Custom cast Cup 1 spec 17" wheels (the 9.5" rear/8"front jobs) utilising modern magnesium casting/forging technology.

Inconel exhaust (including manifolds) utilising the stock single oval tailpipe (got to be stealthy)

996 Cup steering wheel, stitching to match exterior colour (obviously) seat belts ditto.

Carbon Fibre Pole Positions in the correct perforated leather with double stitching and triple blue/pink or grey inserts. Highest quality/lowest weight aircraft-spec sound deadening beneath lightweight RS carpets. Leather dash and RS door cards/pulls/handles.

Exterior colour ? Maritime, Rubystone, Ferrari Giallo, or Blut Orange

Not that I've given the matter any thought whatsoever ...

But the above is never going to happen, so I have far cheaper Pork based Q car/hotrod in the planning stages right now.

Highlights of the 2018 RUF SCR:​

4.0 litre normally-aspirated six-cylinder boxer engine
510 PS / 470 Nm Torque
6-speed manual gearbox
Kerb Weight 1250 Kgs
Top speed 320 kph / 200 mph
Full carbon-fibre bodyshell and monocoque chassis
RUF Integrated Roll Cage (IRC)

Ruf's done a better job for you :-)

[Slippydiff]

Porsche911R said:

Slippydiff said:

964 RS an excellent, but pricey starting point. So I'd be patient and wait for a LHD, non-sunroof 964 C4 (for the high pressure electro/hydraulic brake system) or a C2.

Get whatsisface (Rothsport) in the States to build a 380-400 hp 4.0, NA motor, allied to a 993 RS CS 6 speed 'box (Yellow491 will be along shortly to tell us the model type is)

964 RS ali bonnet, ali doors (993 GT2 Evo), carbon fibre front wings and engine cover. Carbon fibre RS front and rear bumpers.

Ohlins TTX and 993 GT2 Evo front uprights along with 993 RS calipers front and rear.

Surface Transforms ceramic discs on stainless or Ti steel bells (stainless heavy, but would look nice, and stay looking nice)

Custom cast Cup 1 spec 17" wheels (the 9.5" rear/8"front jobs) utilising modern magnesium casting/forging technology.

Inconel exhaust (including manifolds) utilising the stock single oval tailpipe (got to be stealthy)

996 Cup steering wheel, stitching to match exterior colour (obviously) seat belts ditto.

Carbon Fibre Pole Positions in the correct perforated leather with double stitching and triple blue/pink or grey inserts. Highest quality/lowest weight aircraft-spec sound deadening beneath lightweight RS carpets. Leather dash and RS door cards/pulls/handles.

Exterior colour ? Maritime, Rubystone, Ferrari Giallo, or Blut Orange

Not that I've given the matter any thought whatsoever ...

But the above is never going to happen, so I have far cheaper Pork based Q car/hotrod in the planning stages right now.

Highlights of the 2018 RUF SCR:?

4.0 litre normally-aspirated six-cylinder boxer engine
510 PS / 470 Nm Torque
6-speed manual gearbox
Kerb Weight 1250 Kgs
Top speed 320 kph / 200 mph
Full carbon-fibre bodyshell and monocoque chassis
RUF Integrated Roll Cage (IRC)

Ruf's done a better job for you :-)

No, what I want is a nicely optimised 964 using some choice (and rare) OE Porsche parts David, not some carbon fibre-shelled 964 pastiche.

There's no need for 500hp, I'd much rather a torquey 4.0 380-400hp aircooled motor allied to a really close ratio 993 6 speed box.

200 mph ? Utterly pointless for me.

1250kgs ? I'd genuinely hope I could better that.

Quite frankly. I'd rather Rob Dickinson built me a Singer but with the bodywork and running gear as I detailed above, and him knock £150K off the bill.

But doing that or buying the RUF, really misses the point of building a hot-rod, that being the countless hours sourcing bits, investigating the best companies to custom manufacture the parts needed, managing the project and meeting all kinds of new and interesting individuals along the way

[Yellow491]

Its been fun driving and developing my hotrod,eats gt3 for breakfast and nibbles a gt3rs for lunch,proper lwt/bhp ratio

[BertBert]

Cheib said:

Sounds fantastic ! Dare I ask how much a 2.4 MFI engine is costing ? My understanding is that it’s possible to get up to 180bhp out of the earlier 2.0 cars (at some expense obviously!) whilst the engine still has enough torque to be great on the road.

That's very astute, that was exactly my dilemma. Rebuild my 2.0 to S ish spec lovely revvy but I really wanted MFI, so that turns into a pricey option with a full rebuild and adding MFI. I instead got a complete 2.4S spec engine incl MFI and headers/exhaust, with known recent rebuild history, properly checked out by one of the reliable engine names bought from the comfort of a safe forum for just over £9k. I've got 5k budgeted for the transplant, needs fuel pump, fuel filter housing, probably a classic retrofit CDI box to do the fuel cut-off and the ability to tune the ignition timing and get better sparks plus some wiring and plumbing.

And it's slate grey!

Bert

[Steve Rance]

Interesting criteria unfolding. Some visual, some power and some chassis/dynamic - or a combination. In my experience the best returns come from chassis/dynamics mods. Unless it’s turbo based, power gains are generally costly but a well tuned flat 6 is something very special.

[braddo]

The 2.4 MFI sounds like a bargain! Don't some folk spend double that on a rebuild?

[Cheib]

BertBert said:

Cheib said:

Sounds fantastic ! Dare I ask how much a 2.4 MFI engine is costing ? My understanding is that it’s possible to get up to 180bhp out of the earlier 2.0 cars (at some expense obviously!) whilst the engine still has enough torque to be great on the road.

That's very astute, that was exactly my dilemma. Rebuild my 2.0 to S ish spec lovely revvy but I really wanted MFI, so that turns into a pricey option with a full rebuild and adding MFI. I instead got a complete 2.4S spec engine incl MFI and headers/exhaust, with known recent rebuild history, properly checked out by one of the reliable engine names bought from the comfort of a safe forum for just over £9k. I've got 5k budgeted for the transplant, needs fuel pump, fuel filter housing, probably a classic retrofit CDI box to do the fuel cut-off and the ability to tune the ignition timing and get better sparks plus some wiring and plumbing.

And it's slate grey!

Bert

Sounds fantastic ! Feel free to post some pictures !

braddo said:

The 2.4 MFI sounds like a bargain! Don't some folk spend double that on a rebuild?

Doesn’t it just...sounds very cheap.

[Cheib]

Slippydiff said:

964 RS an excellent, but pricey starting point. So I'd be patient and wait for a LHD, non-sunroof 964 C4 (for the high pressure electro/hydraulic brake system) or a C2.

Get whatsisface (Rothsport) in the States to build a 380-400 hp 4.0, NA motor, allied to a 993 RS CS 6 speed 'box (Yellow491 will be along shortly to tell us the model type is)

964 RS ali bonnet, ali doors (993 GT2 Evo), carbon fibre front wings and engine cover. Carbon fibre RS front and rear bumpers.

Ohlins TTX and 993 GT2 Evo front uprights along with 993 RS calipers front and rear.

Surface Transforms ceramic discs on stainless or Ti steel bells (stainless heavy, but would look nice, and stay looking nice)

Custom cast Cup 1 spec 17" wheels (the 9.5" rear/8"front jobs) utilising modern magnesium casting/forging technology.

Inconel exhaust (including manifolds) utilising the stock single oval tailpipe (got to be stealthy)

996 Cup steering wheel, stitching to match exterior colour (obviously) seat belts ditto.

Carbon Fibre Pole Positions in the correct perforated leather with double stitching and triple blue/pink or grey inserts. Highest quality/lowest weight aircraft-spec sound deadening beneath lightweight RS carpets. Leather dash and RS door cards/pulls/handles.

Exterior colour ? Maritime, Rubystone, Ferrari Giallo, or Blut Orange

Not that I've given the matter any thought whatsoever ...

But the above is never going to happen, so I have far cheaper Pork based Q car/hotrod in the planning stages right now.

This on the other hand doesn’t sound cheap ! Well into six figures before you start building it. Blimey, what a car it would be though, I vote Blut Orange...here’s a pic of a a 3.8 RS. Never seen an RS in Orange before.

[BertBert]

Yes, I think it's going in the right direction. If you get a rebuild, you know what you get. Anyone else's rebuild is a bit of a lottery, so it's a risk.

But to rebuild my 2.0 to the spec I'd want, adding MFI would end up being £30k. It would be awesome though.

So for me ultimate bhp isn't my thing. Good balance and (low) grip, with slightly more bhp than grip is perfect. You can wring the neck of the car and get the front and rear moving and control it with the right foot and steering. Absolute low speed fun.

My mantra isn't you can never have enough power. It's have the least power than can overwhelm small tyres. Fun is not proportional to bhp!

Bert

[Steve Rance]

Yellow491 said:

Its been fun driving and developing my hotrod,eats gt3 for breakfast and nibbles a gt3rs for lunch,proper lwt/bhp ratio

I love this car. Is it eligible for any historic championships?

[Yellow491]

Steve Rance said:

Yellow491 said:

Its been fun driving and developing my hotrod,eats gt3 for breakfast and nibbles a gt3rs for lunch,proper lwt/bhp ratio

I love this car. Is it eligible for any historic championships?

It can be put back to full fia spec as it used to be when i raced it in the masters historics,would have to change the 3.8 rsr engine and 997rsr sequential box back out! and put the 3.0ltr rsr engine and box back in,and change the rear tail back.The car is on max regs for the hillclimb champs,the rear tail works way better than the ducktail and 3.0ltr rsr spoilers.

[Porsche911R]

Steve Rance said:

Interesting criteria unfolding. Some visual, some power and some chassis/dynamic - or a combination. In my experience the best returns come from chassis/dynamics mods. Unless it’s turbo based, power gains are generally costly but a well tuned flat 6 is something very special.

yes it is interesting what every body feels they want to end up with.

In 2010 I came across my 987.2 Spyder and really should just keep that and do another hobby or do the house up ;-)
I found the prefect car already (for me) but it took a LOT of cars to get there after my early Lotus days.
Most Porkers justs don't stack up as fun/drivers cars if you have owned a Lotus.

But I still fancy the 997.1 GT3 1200kg project :-) with 440BHp and the best brakes, dampers and wheels.

[ndtman]

One of these please. 550 hp, low weight, should motor along quite nicely.

[v8ksn]

BertBert said:

Bert

Hello Bert, is your car a lovely black air cooled beauty?

Might seem like an odd question but I think I had a picture of it as my laptop wallpaper for quite some time.
Never could quite remember who's car it was but your name rings a bell.

Would you mind posting up a picture?

[LennyM1984]

Mine would be pretty modest and would be a Cayman 987 '2.7 RS tribute' style thing

2.7 engine with no mods (even down to the exhaust)
Cayman R suspension with GT3 LCAs for more camber
Fancy brakes (don't really care what but plenty of repeatable stopping power)
Lightweight CF panels (front wings, doors, bonnet, and boot) sprayed to look totally standard
Lightweight interior sound deadening and carpets (once again, it has to look standard to the casual observer)
Frunk stripped out
No AC, no stereo
Lightweight battery
Lightweight flywheel
Proper baffled sump
Carbon Pole Positions in black leather with no logos
No stickers, stripes or decals
Light OEM wheels (potentially 17s if I could find a tyre setup I like).

ETA: Oh and plenty of stone chips and a layer of grime to upset the polishing brigade

If it could be taken to somewhere around the 1000 kg mark without looking too extreme that would be perfect and I'd be happy to sacrifice things ike power steering to get there but not things that make it unbearable once rolling.

I think a lightweight 987 with modest power would be absolutely fantastic and would give you an old skool feel albeit in a modern, reliable car.

With the money I'd saved by using a cheap, watercooled porsche, I'd buy one of these as a daily...

https://beacham.co.nz/new-beacham-mk2/

Edited by LennyM1984 on Friday 16th October 11:33

[Harris_I]

CarreraLightweightRacing said:

Or a simple project would be taking a 996.1GT3, drop as much weight as possible, maybe getting close to -200kg if you're lucky. That would be a wonderful thing. Obviously the weight loss would include a host of exotic materials and special parts.

I went down that route. 996.2 GT3, stripped out interior, full roll cage, carbon panels from GT-Racing in the US, Manthey KW suspension, Alcon brakes. I think I got it down to around 1220kg in its prime IIRC. In retrospect, I should have started with a Cup car, although at least this has number plates. It's not road friendly even though I put the carpets and AC back in, so it is criminally under-used I'm ashamed to say.

[Cunno]

Harris_I said:

I went down that route. 996.2 GT3, stripped out interior, full roll cage, carbon panels from GT-Racing in the US, Manthey KW suspension, Alcon brakes. I think I got it down to around 1220kg in its prime IIRC. In retrospect, I should have started with a Cup car, although at least this has number plates. It's not road friendly even though I put the carpets and AC back in, so it is criminally under-used I'm ashamed to say.

Harris I

Do you have a breakdown of what was done and the kg saving per item? Did you weigh car at start and finish or is this weight 1220kg estimated?

I remember your 996 from the TD at Donny last year it was going well.