Porsche 993 test drive?
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Another +1 to not walk by a high miler. Mine's on 195k now and happy as larry with it. As has been said a few times before, things like suspension should have been refreshed by then. Clutch is a biggie if needs doing, but otherwise as long as it has history and a nice set of matching Pirellis or Michelins then you'll have fun for years to come.
Ocho said:
Another +1 to not walk by a high miler. Mine's on 195k now and happy as larry with it. As has been said a few times before, things like suspension should have been refreshed by then. Clutch is a biggie if needs doing, but otherwise as long as it has history and a nice set of matching Pirellis or Michelins then you'll have fun for years to come.
Engine rebuild?andylaight said:
Ocho said:
Another +1 to not walk by a high miler. Mine's on 195k now and happy as larry with it. As has been said a few times before, things like suspension should have been refreshed by then. Clutch is a biggie if needs doing, but otherwise as long as it has history and a nice set of matching Pirellis or Michelins then you'll have fun for years to come.
Engine rebuild?I don't do many miles per annum these days so a high miler wouldn't necessarily deter me, if as you say it has had the big ticket items done relatively recently.
Dan Singh said:
andylaight said:
Ocho said:
Another +1 to not walk by a high miler. Mine's on 195k now and happy as larry with it. As has been said a few times before, things like suspension should have been refreshed by then. Clutch is a biggie if needs doing, but otherwise as long as it has history and a nice set of matching Pirellis or Michelins then you'll have fun for years to come.
Engine rebuild?I don't do many miles per annum these days so a high miler wouldn't necessarily deter me, if as you say it has had the big ticket items done relatively recently.
Some (not all) do suffer from valve failure and require replacement but I know of one that was taken apart at 180K because of annoying oil leaks and other than some shot valves they found little to no wear in the engine.
Hence why history is more important than mileage with a 993.
There’s an interesting thread on 911UK under the 993 section showing owners mileage and the top slot goes to a 262K miler used as a daily driver.
Wozy68 said:
Dan Singh said:
andylaight said:
Ocho said:
Another +1 to not walk by a high miler. Mine's on 195k now and happy as larry with it. As has been said a few times before, things like suspension should have been refreshed by then. Clutch is a biggie if needs doing, but otherwise as long as it has history and a nice set of matching Pirellis or Michelins then you'll have fun for years to come.
Engine rebuild?I don't do many miles per annum these days so a high miler wouldn't necessarily deter me, if as you say it has had the big ticket items done relatively recently.
Some (not all) do suffer from valve failure and require replacement but I know of one that was taken apart at 180K because of annoying oil leaks and other than some shot valves they found little to no wear in the engine.
Hence why history is more important than mileage with a 993.
There’s an interesting thread on 911UK under the 993 section showing owners mileage and the top slot goes to a 262K miler used as a daily driver.
Not sure mileage is a measure to when the engine will need a rebuild as there are so many variables.
Mine was rebuilt on 150k. I was looking initially to have it resealed as oil was leaking from all the known weak spots. A leak-down test showed one unhappy reading so it was pointless not seeing to the top end at the same time, and as all the leaks could not be resolved without splitting the case I ended up doing a 3.8 conversion:
Write up and costs here
While it was being done there was an engine with 60k on the bench in far worse looking shape. I doubt the 60k reading was accurate, but top ends sometimes need sorting at lower miles. I think it is something to do with the heat but I'm no expert.
Like others have said, they can swallow money putting right (engine, suspension, corrosion, air con,..) so find one that has been well cared for that shows a healthy spend. I'm sure once you get on top of one and all the jobs are done they become easy to keep that way.
Mine was rebuilt on 150k. I was looking initially to have it resealed as oil was leaking from all the known weak spots. A leak-down test showed one unhappy reading so it was pointless not seeing to the top end at the same time, and as all the leaks could not be resolved without splitting the case I ended up doing a 3.8 conversion:
Write up and costs here
While it was being done there was an engine with 60k on the bench in far worse looking shape. I doubt the 60k reading was accurate, but top ends sometimes need sorting at lower miles. I think it is something to do with the heat but I'm no expert.
Like others have said, they can swallow money putting right (engine, suspension, corrosion, air con,..) so find one that has been well cared for that shows a healthy spend. I'm sure once you get on top of one and all the jobs are done they become easy to keep that way.
my 993 just ticked over 124k miles and has no oil leaks or seepage whatsoever since I've owned it for last 4 years (and I do have the engine tray permanently off, thanks Switzerland). The only think that leaked was the steering rack so JAZ replaced it with a rebuilt one. Overall the car feels tight as a drum! v special cars
Wozy68 said:
Don’t run a mile .... go and check it out and have a good look around it. I’ve seen some shockers at £50K, yet the description of them was nothing like what they were actually like in the flesh.
Ref the RPM car. Now that’s a very very interesting car. It will be good I’d bet as I’ve heard good things about those guys and I was only looking at it online last night.
But what makes it sooooo interesting to me is the registration date. My 993 is supposedly one of the first batch of twelve RHD 993s brought into the country. These 12 were registered on the 6th and 7th of December 1993.... Mine was on the 7th.
Story goes, these all went to the oldest Porsche dealers in the country as their demo cars. (Mine, Kendal in Cumbria who have been an OPC since 1957).
Yet the 993 in the add at RPM was registered in the October of 1993, up to two months before the 993 was supposed to be available in RHD in the U.K.
So it’s not only a very early U.K. registered 993, it’s possibly the oldest registered (and still on the road) RHD 993 on the planet.
Wow, love the detail in this response. I actually called RPM about this car and talked to a chap called Nick. Theres a lot of interest in it and people are waiting for lockdown to lift before test driving. Ref the RPM car. Now that’s a very very interesting car. It will be good I’d bet as I’ve heard good things about those guys and I was only looking at it online last night.
But what makes it sooooo interesting to me is the registration date. My 993 is supposedly one of the first batch of twelve RHD 993s brought into the country. These 12 were registered on the 6th and 7th of December 1993.... Mine was on the 7th.
Story goes, these all went to the oldest Porsche dealers in the country as their demo cars. (Mine, Kendal in Cumbria who have been an OPC since 1957).
Yet the 993 in the add at RPM was registered in the October of 1993, up to two months before the 993 was supposed to be available in RHD in the U.K.
So it’s not only a very early U.K. registered 993, it’s possibly the oldest registered (and still on the road) RHD 993 on the planet.
Edited by Wozy68 on Monday 23 November 21:08
I did ask what their policy was RE reserving and its £500 non-refundable. Seeing as I've never driven a 993 I was immediate out of that
ketan.jina said:
Wow, love the detail in this response. I actually called RPM about this car and talked to a chap called Nick. Theres a lot of interest in it and people are waiting for lockdown to lift before test driving.
I did ask what their policy was RE reserving and its £500 non-refundable. Seeing as I've never driven a 993 I was immediate out of that
I’d never driven a 964 a 968CS or my 993 before I bought them.... Go on buy it, dare you. I did ask what their policy was RE reserving and its £500 non-refundable. Seeing as I've never driven a 993 I was immediate out of that
You know it makes sense
ketan.jina said:
Wow, love the detail in this response. I actually called RPM about this car and talked to a chap called Nick. Theres a lot of interest in it and people are waiting for lockdown to lift before test driving.
I did ask what their policy was RE reserving and its £500 non-refundable. Seeing as I've never driven a 993 I was immediate out of that
I'm in Yorkshire and aware of the reputation of RPM locally (ie very good). I did ask what their policy was RE reserving and its £500 non-refundable. Seeing as I've never driven a 993 I was immediate out of that
Will be looking for retirement toy in 3 months. I never thought 993s would be within reach again for me (though this is double what I sold my last one for
) If I had my lump sum in bank now, I'd consider non return deposit to keep vultures from circling.If it's as good as it looks it won't hang around.
Edited by oddman on Saturday 28th November 08:26
Edited by oddman on Saturday 28th November 08:27
oddman said:
I'm in Yorkshire and aware of the reputation of RPM locally (ie very good).
Will be looking for retirement toy in 3 months. I never thought 993s would be within reach again for me (though this is double what I sold my last one for) If I had my lump sum in bank now, I'd consider non return deposit to keep vultures from circling.
If it's as good as it looks it won't hang around.
I'm never any good in pressure sales situations like this and for the fact the wife would probably leave me Will be looking for retirement toy in 3 months. I never thought 993s would be within reach again for me (though this is double what I sold my last one for
) If I had my lump sum in bank now, I'd consider non return deposit to keep vultures from circling.If it's as good as it looks it won't hang around.
Edited by oddman on Saturday 28th November 08:26
Edited by oddman on Saturday 28th November 08:27
I'll wait till I've actually driven one. Covid I think has created spikes of interest in cars like this which make them difficult to buy unless you take a punt.
I think you'd need to trust the sales shop implicitly because you won't get a chance to ppi it before buying. Also RPM have a classic car warranty which means not everything is covered...too many red flags for me
Wozy68 said:
Go on buy it, dare you.
You know it makes sense
You know it makes sense
and you call me a baaaad person?OP - what you should remember (and I think it is mentioned above) is that whatever happens with any particular 993, it'll always be worth the same or more than you paid for it. If it isn't two cars welded together, like Wozy's is.
I bought mine just before the financial crash in 2008/2009 - the financial markets took that long to sink.
I fully expected the 993's value to crash as well, but as it was going to be a keeper it was only a source of amusement for my friends.
But prices didn't drop for any manual C2 that I saw for sale, and then slowly started to climb.
Obviously if you buy from a dealer and then quickly want to sell, you will instantly lose that differential.
Disclaimer - nothing in this monologue constitutes financial advice. The value of 993s may go down as well as up, and be warned you may have fun whilst losing money. Orangecurry Corp are not regulated by the Financial Services Ombudsman.
The RPM car looks good from 200 miles away, but if it had a respray in 2016 so it should.
RPM are missing a trick by not listing all of the work done over the past 14 years?
My first question would be about suspension, and my last question would be 'does the aircon work?'.
The bodyshop have done an excellent job in fitting the front bumper/wing rubber seal, as that is very difficult to line up.
RPM are missing a trick by not listing all of the work done over the past 14 years?
My first question would be about suspension, and my last question would be 'does the aircon work?'.
The bodyshop have done an excellent job in fitting the front bumper/wing rubber seal, as that is very difficult to line up.
ketan.jina said:
I'm never any good in pressure sales situations like this and for the fact the wife would probably leave me
I'll wait till I've actually driven one. Covid I think has created spikes of interest in cars like this which make them difficult to buy unless you take a punt.
I think you'd need to trust the sales shop implicitly because you won't get a chance to ppi it before buying. Also RPM have a classic car warranty which means not everything is covered...too many red flags for me
If you've never driven one you are right to wait. Don't expect to like it or find it easy straight away. They really grow on you and get under your skin. I got one because, TBH, I was head over heels in love with the whole aesthetic and the air cooled thing. I had to learn driving it. Nailing a corner feels like middling a ball in cricket.I'll wait till I've actually driven one. Covid I think has created spikes of interest in cars like this which make them difficult to buy unless you take a punt.
I think you'd need to trust the sales shop implicitly because you won't get a chance to ppi it before buying. Also RPM have a classic car warranty which means not everything is covered...too many red flags for me
Driving a 993 and 996 back to back is an interesting experience and I would fully understand anyone who went 996. Still 100% a 911 but more civilised.
Orangecurry said:
The RPM car looks good from 200 miles away, but if it had a respray in 2016 so it should.
RPM are missing a trick by not listing all of the work done over the past 14 years?
My first question would be about suspension, and my last question would be 'does the aircon work?'.
The bodyshop have done an excellent job in fitting the front bumper/wing rubber seal, as that is very difficult to line up.
I asked about an engine rebuild and suspension, it hadn't had a rebuild (which I know may not be an issue) and he didn't know about the suspension. RPM are missing a trick by not listing all of the work done over the past 14 years?
My first question would be about suspension, and my last question would be 'does the aircon work?'.
The bodyshop have done an excellent job in fitting the front bumper/wing rubber seal, as that is very difficult to line up.
I think I'll spend the next couple of months test driving. Seeing one in the flesh might help also
I did look again to see if I could hire one, but nothing yet. Anyone on here want to pimp out their beloved for a couple hundred
indescent proposal...hahahketan.jina said:
I asked about an engine rebuild and suspension, it hadn't had a rebuild (which I know may not be an issue) and he didn't know about the suspension.
RPM said:
This is a car we have known and looked after for over 14 years now, 13 of which have been for its most recent owner. We have undertaken some 16 services and all remedial mechanical work that has been required during this time
Odd he didn't know - perhaps another phonecall is needed, to while away the longer winter days.....ketan.jina said:
Anyone on here want to pimp out their beloved for a couple hundred indecent proposal...hahah
I think Wozzer will do anything for money? indecent proposal...hahahAircooled_Bug said:
Not sure mileage is a measure to when the engine will need a rebuild as there are so many variables.
Mine was rebuilt on 150k. I was looking initially to have it resealed as oil was leaking from all the known weak spots. A leak-down test showed one unhappy reading so it was pointless not seeing to the top end at the same time, and as all the leaks could not be resolved without splitting the case I ended up doing a 3.8 conversion:
Write up and costs here
While it was being done there was an engine with 60k on the bench in far worse looking shape. I doubt the 60k reading was accurate, but top ends sometimes need sorting at lower miles. I think it is something to do with the heat but I'm no expert.
Like others have said, they can swallow money putting right (engine, suspension, corrosion, air con,..) so find one that has been well cared for that shows a healthy spend. I'm sure once you get on top of one and all the jobs are done they become easy to keep that way.
The rebuild write up was an interesting read. Mine was rebuilt on 150k. I was looking initially to have it resealed as oil was leaking from all the known weak spots. A leak-down test showed one unhappy reading so it was pointless not seeing to the top end at the same time, and as all the leaks could not be resolved without splitting the case I ended up doing a 3.8 conversion:
Write up and costs here
While it was being done there was an engine with 60k on the bench in far worse looking shape. I doubt the 60k reading was accurate, but top ends sometimes need sorting at lower miles. I think it is something to do with the heat but I'm no expert.
Like others have said, they can swallow money putting right (engine, suspension, corrosion, air con,..) so find one that has been well cared for that shows a healthy spend. I'm sure once you get on top of one and all the jobs are done they become easy to keep that way.
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