Porsche 993 test drive?
Discussion
andylaight said:
Wozy68 said:
Dan Singh said:
andylaight said:
Ocho said:
Another +1 to not walk by a high miler. Mine's on 195k now and happy as larry with it. As has been said a few times before, things like suspension should have been refreshed by then. Clutch is a biggie if needs doing, but otherwise as long as it has history and a nice set of matching Pirellis or Michelins then you'll have fun for years to come.
Engine rebuild?I don't do many miles per annum these days so a high miler wouldn't necessarily deter me, if as you say it has had the big ticket items done relatively recently.
Some (not all) do suffer from valve failure and require replacement but I know of one that was taken apart at 180K because of annoying oil leaks and other than some shot valves they found little to no wear in the engine.
Hence why history is more important than mileage with a 993.
There’s an interesting thread on 911UK under the 993 section showing owners mileage and the top slot goes to a 262K miler used as a daily driver.
ketan.jina said:
I'm never any good in pressure sales situations like this and for the fact the wife would probably leave me
I'll wait till I've actually driven one. Covid I think has created spikes of interest in cars like this which make them difficult to buy unless you take a punt.
I think you'd need to trust the sales shop implicitly because you won't get a chance to ppi it before buying. Also RPM have a classic car warranty which means not everything is covered...too many red flags for me
I think (and please don’t take this in anyway the wrong way) you should go for a newer 911 with a damn good full on warranty. I'll wait till I've actually driven one. Covid I think has created spikes of interest in cars like this which make them difficult to buy unless you take a punt.
I think you'd need to trust the sales shop implicitly because you won't get a chance to ppi it before buying. Also RPM have a classic car warranty which means not everything is covered...too many red flags for me
Old 911s cost money to run and you can’t really expect an OPC equivalent warranty on an old Porsche.
There’s loving them and then there’s worrying yourself silly it’s about to break. Old 911s whatever the mileage or price you pay, if you drive it, is going to cost money, maybe not in the first year but will after that.
What makes it worse for you is that the value of the cars went up massively over the last 8-10 years but now have for the moment at least levelled off if not eased. So the argument of cost of an appreciating asset vs costs to run per mile has now gone.
My 993 is by far the cheapest car per mile I’ve owned though, in nine years it’s cost me well over £25K to keep ship shape but the value went up by at least £20K. .... Over 50K miles that equates to minimal cost per mile and warranted the expense (much of which wasn’t required) and I’ve also loved every mile of ownership.
I’ll still spend the money to keep her spot on .... buts it’s a heck of a load of money if you can’t use the argument it’s an appreciating asset or that you don’t put the mileage on to warrant it.
Wozy68 said:
I think (and please don’t take this in anyway the wrong way) you should go for a newer 911 with a damn good full on warranty.
Old 911s cost money to run and you can’t really expect an OPC equivalent warranty on an old Porsche.
There’s loving them and then there’s worrying yourself silly it’s about to break. Old 911s whatever the mileage or price you pay, if you drive it, is going to cost money, maybe not in the first year but will after that.
What makes it worse for you is that the value of the cars went up massively over the last 8-10 years but now have for the moment at least levelled off if not eased. So the argument of cost of an appreciating asset vs costs to run per mile has now gone.
My 993 is by far the cheapest car per mile I’ve owned though, in nine years it’s cost me well over £25K to keep ship shape but the value went up by at least £20K. .... Over 50K miles that equates to minimal cost per mile and warranted the expense (much of which wasn’t required) and I’ve also loved every mile of ownership.
I’ll still spend the money to keep her spot on .... buts it’s a heck of a load of money if you can’t use the argument it’s an appreciating asset or that you don’t put the mileage on to warrant it.
Interesting thoughts. To a degree I agree - sadly (as an existing owner) I don't think there is much short term appreciation to be had, but that's not to say there won't be long term. Regardless of that, I don't feel there will be any depreciation, either, and that being the case, any additional cost of running one of these lovely cars, even with the odd esceptional item, will probably still prove a lot cheaper than buying a newer one and suffering the corresponding depreciation instead.Old 911s cost money to run and you can’t really expect an OPC equivalent warranty on an old Porsche.
There’s loving them and then there’s worrying yourself silly it’s about to break. Old 911s whatever the mileage or price you pay, if you drive it, is going to cost money, maybe not in the first year but will after that.
What makes it worse for you is that the value of the cars went up massively over the last 8-10 years but now have for the moment at least levelled off if not eased. So the argument of cost of an appreciating asset vs costs to run per mile has now gone.
My 993 is by far the cheapest car per mile I’ve owned though, in nine years it’s cost me well over £25K to keep ship shape but the value went up by at least £20K. .... Over 50K miles that equates to minimal cost per mile and warranted the expense (much of which wasn’t required) and I’ve also loved every mile of ownership.
I’ll still spend the money to keep her spot on .... buts it’s a heck of a load of money if you can’t use the argument it’s an appreciating asset or that you don’t put the mileage on to warrant it.
Wozy68 said:
I think (and please don’t take this in anyway the wrong way) you should go for a newer 911 with a damn good full on warranty.
Old 911s cost money to run and you can’t really expect an OPC equivalent warranty on an old Porsche.
There’s loving them and then there’s worrying yourself silly it’s about to break. Old 911s whatever the mileage or price you pay, if you drive it, is going to cost money, maybe not in the first year but will after that.
What makes it worse for you is that the value of the cars went up massively over the last 8-10 years but now have for the moment at least levelled off if not eased. So the argument of cost of an appreciating asset vs costs to run per mile has now gone.
My 993 is by far the cheapest car per mile I’ve owned though, in nine years it’s cost me well over £25K to keep ship shape but the value went up by at least £20K. .... Over 50K miles that equates to minimal cost per mile and warranted the expense (much of which wasn’t required) and I’ve also loved every mile of ownership.
I’ll still spend the money to keep her spot on .... buts it’s a heck of a load of money if you can’t use the argument it’s an appreciating asset or that you don’t put the mileage on to warrant it.
You know I think you might be right. I do like the idea of owning an old car, but it may not be a viable option for me. Its a good point about the appreciation you've had on your car, I can't imagine buying a car for 40k and then spending 20k on it for it to be worth 40k after 10 years - it doesn't make financial sense. Old 911s cost money to run and you can’t really expect an OPC equivalent warranty on an old Porsche.
There’s loving them and then there’s worrying yourself silly it’s about to break. Old 911s whatever the mileage or price you pay, if you drive it, is going to cost money, maybe not in the first year but will after that.
What makes it worse for you is that the value of the cars went up massively over the last 8-10 years but now have for the moment at least levelled off if not eased. So the argument of cost of an appreciating asset vs costs to run per mile has now gone.
My 993 is by far the cheapest car per mile I’ve owned though, in nine years it’s cost me well over £25K to keep ship shape but the value went up by at least £20K. .... Over 50K miles that equates to minimal cost per mile and warranted the expense (much of which wasn’t required) and I’ve also loved every mile of ownership.
I’ll still spend the money to keep her spot on .... buts it’s a heck of a load of money if you can’t use the argument it’s an appreciating asset or that you don’t put the mileage on to warrant it.
I'm going down a route of seeing what else I could get for half the price of a 993, maybe a 997 or an Aston Martin db9. I know its not the same, but still a lot of fun to scratch that itch
stichill99 said:
If you worry about possible bills for a 993 for christ's sake don't buy a DB9!
Haha, I thought they were pretty bullet proof? In any respect hardly any room in the back for the kids...whats that about. If the conclusion for me is a 997 I think I would be happy with that...then I started to look up rms, ims and bore scoring theres an outfit near me called friends Green porsche. Anyone dealt with them?stichill99 said:
If you worry about possible bills for a 993 for christ's sake don't buy a DB9!
This comment on an another thread made me laugh...'I went from a 911 C4S to a DB9 and never regretted it, now on my second DB9. The Porsche was not as reliable as I thought it was going to be, what really surprised me was the 911 squeaked and rattled a lot. Don’t get me wrong the 911 was a great car to drive, but people seemed to hate you (unlike in the DB9).'
n12maser said:
you need to get a 2nd gen 997, i.e. 997.2, manufactured from 2009 onwards and most recognised by the more sculpted rear headlights.
they are solid, don't have the bore score issues that plagued 996 and 997.1. get a manual and you can't go wrong.
I think they used to be referred to as "tail lights", or "rear light clusters", but from hereon I'll follow your lead and call them rear headlights they are solid, don't have the bore score issues that plagued 996 and 997.1. get a manual and you can't go wrong.
ketan.jina said:
This comment on an another thread made me laugh...
'I went from a 911 C4S to a DB9 and never regretted it, now on my second DB9. The Porsche was not as reliable as I thought it was going to be, what really surprised me was the 911 squeaked and rattled a lot. Don’t get me wrong the 911 was a great car to drive, but people seemed to hate you (unlike in the DB9).'
I'd probably get crucified, but its just sooo pretty! 'I went from a 911 C4S to a DB9 and never regretted it, now on my second DB9. The Porsche was not as reliable as I thought it was going to be, what really surprised me was the 911 squeaked and rattled a lot. Don’t get me wrong the 911 was a great car to drive, but people seemed to hate you (unlike in the DB9).'
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2020111059...
Orangecurry said:
I had no idea they had depreciated so much.
..and honestly, not sour grapes, they look rather tubby at the rear - too much metal over the rear wheels.... you really like that shape?
Yeah, me neither....very surprised at the price. Its like all cars, I tend to like 3/4 of it. The AM I like the front 3/4. The 993 I like the back 3/4 ..and honestly, not sour grapes, they look rather tubby at the rear - too much metal over the rear wheels.... you really like that shape?
the 997 and 964 are probably the nicest all round for me. Maybe in black it works better?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2020112765...
Good timing if DB9 is what you're after, PH published this today:
https://www.pistonheads.com/features/ph-features/a...
https://www.pistonheads.com/features/ph-features/a...
A friend of my fathers who was well used to running expensive motors in the 1980's had a couple of Esprits and then a 928s2 followed by a 928s4. He decided to try a DB7 and although he would be used to some big bills he said the DB7 was on another level cost wise. It was the shortest time I remember him keeping a car and it was gone within a year.
Maybe they are not so bad these days though?
Maybe they are not so bad these days though?
n12maser said:
you need to get a 2nd gen 997, i.e. 997.2 .. they are solid, don't have the bore score issues that plagued 996 and 997.1.
Not necessarily true, I took my 997.2 into an OPC back in 2016 with Bore Scoring to 2 Cylinders, at ~70K Miles.. There were 2 other 997.2 on the Ramps for the same reason..ketan.jina said:
Yeah, me neither....very surprised at the price. Its like all cars, I tend to like 3/4 of it. The AM I like the front 3/4. The 993 I like the back 3/4 the 997 and 964 are probably the nicest all round for me.
Maybe in black it works better?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2020112765...
If you're after a DB9, it would be worth speaking to Rob @ McGurk. the 997 and 964 are probably the nicest all round for me. Maybe in black it works better?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2020112765...
Very knowledgable and will advise on what to look out for. If you buy a car that needs some work, brakes, suspension etc you could be looking at an instant bill of £5k plus easily.
I'm looking out for a nice V12 Vantage, or possibly a DB9 Sports Pack. Spoke with Rob about possible problems with the cars and it was a bit of an eye opener...although it didn't put me off.
kingroon said:
Not necessarily true, I took my 997.2 into an OPC back in 2016 with Bore Scoring to 2 Cylinders, at ~70K Miles.. There were 2 other 997.2 on the Ramps for the same reason..
That's disappointing! I presume you know you have this because of the engine noise - 'slapping' sound. Is the best bet to get a gen 1 that has done at least 80k miles? I presume if you have a bore scope done it should identify issues in an engine with that kind of milage. Gassing Station | Porsche Classics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff