Resto/Mod Backdating costs...

Resto/Mod Backdating costs...

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GT3Manthey

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4,530 posts

50 months

Friday 28th January 2022
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LeakUpTest said:
Im local to them, good guys and Ken knows his onions.
Another vote for 9E

I learnt a hard lesson going elsewhere to start with but that’s another story altogether

Cheib

23,288 posts

176 months

Friday 28th January 2022
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Prestonese said:
The more I see of these the more I am convinced that all you need is any car from the 70s with a nice solid body and mildly upgrade the engine, tidy up the gearbox, electrics and suspension and job done. They look fantastic as standard and the look can be enhanced just by tweaking the stance. You'll get a lot of notice with these things and the ones with a minimum amount of exterior tweaks will always stand the test of time. A full on resto with bells and whistles doesn't look good value to me unless you plan to be buried in it.
This is basically what I was saying earlier. These cars do exist (especially as a LHD car). You need nothing more than a mildly tweaked engine which admittedly probably does mean an engine rebuild and £25k as mentioned above is probably the number.

The irony is that I’ve listened to Richard Turhill and Paul Stephens interviewed over the last year…both have said their favourite cars to drive are the early SWB cars but they both make a living out of building hotrod/restomods. Admittedly Tuthill build awesome cars but they are a totally different price point.


GT3Manthey

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4,530 posts

50 months

Friday 28th January 2022
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Cheib said:
This is basically what I was saying earlier. These cars do exist (especially as a LHD car). You need nothing more than a mildly tweaked engine which admittedly probably does mean an engine rebuild and £25k as mentioned above is probably the number.

The irony is that I’ve listened to Richard Turhill and Paul Stephens interviewed over the last year…both have said their favourite cars to drive are the early SWB cars but they both make a living out of building hotrod/restomods. Admittedly Tuthill build awesome cars but they are a totally different price point.
Tuthill would be my choice there & PS charge up to £250k for some of their cars as mentioned at the start of this thread .

Might all mean that buying a little 911T fully restored for 70k is the better idea……

Wilmslowboy

4,216 posts

207 months

Friday 28th January 2022
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GT3Manthey said:
Tuthill would be my choice there & PS charge up to £250k for some of their cars as mentioned at the start of this thread .

Might all mean that buying a little 911T fully restored for 70k is the better idea……
I'd struggle to get to a place where I would be willing to pay circa £250k, as I'd want near perfection, which then leads to issues about willingness to drive it hard on the road.

Is it the long bonnet (pre-impact bumper) look you are after, and/ or the old school aircooled driving experience?



GT3Manthey

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4,530 posts

50 months

Friday 28th January 2022
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Wilmslowboy said:
I'd struggle to get to a place where I would be willing to pay circa £250k, as I'd want near perfection, which then leads to issues about willingness to drive it hard on the road.

Is it the long bonnet (pre-impact bumper) look you are after, and/ or the old school aircooled driving experience?


I love the look of the long bonnet cars generally speaking.
I guess the resto mod idea makes them more of a daily driver

LeakUpTest

92 posts

29 months

Friday 28th January 2022
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Wilmslowboy said:
I'd struggle to get to a place where I would be willing to pay circa £250k, as I'd want near perfection, which then leads to issues about willingness to drive it hard on the road.

Is it the long bonnet (pre-impact bumper) look you are after, and/ or the old school aircooled driving experience?


Good question. Both quite different in terms of looks and cost

BertBert

19,082 posts

212 months

Friday 28th January 2022
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It's partly the modern confusion about the correlation between bhp and fun.

So a lovely light balanced swb or lwb with 150-210 bhp is just such a joy to drive. Get the front and rear grip balanced to give lovely adjustability on the throttle and it's the best ever.

It's not the only formula that works, but it pretty much always works. More of everything, huge bhp, fat tyres stuff springing with no roll is very hard to get to work.

It might have some oomph straight line appeal, but it gets boring very quickly.

Just a point of view!

LeakUpTest

92 posts

29 months

Friday 28th January 2022
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BertBert said:
It's partly the modern confusion about the correlation between bhp and fun.

So a lovely light balanced swb or lwb with 150-210 bhp is just such a joy to drive. Get the front and rear grip balanced to give lovely adjustability on the throttle and it's the best ever.

It's not the only formula that works, but it pretty much always works. More of everything, huge bhp, fat tyres stuff springing with no roll is very hard to get to work.

It might have some oomph straight line appeal, but it gets boring very quickly.

Just a point of view!
I agree, you have to be at "feels wrong" corner speed to get it loose.

ditchvisitor

1,208 posts

222 months

Friday 28th January 2022
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Wilmslowboy said:
GT3Manthey said:
Tuthill would be my choice there & PS charge up to £250k for some of their cars as mentioned at the start of this thread .

Might all mean that buying a little 911T fully restored for 70k is the better idea……
I'd struggle to get to a place where I would be willing to pay circa £250k, as I'd want near perfection, which then leads to issues about willingness to drive it hard on the road.

Is it the long bonnet (pre-impact bumper) look you are after, and/ or the old school aircooled driving experience?


Did you end up winning the unrestored narrow bodied car on collecting cars? I went to view that!
Ended up with this instead:

1972 RHD 911E - Now a 3.0 RS rep with a 3.8, 350bhp and 950kgs!





The engine has just been built on mine and I doubt you would get much change out of 45-50k to build it to this spec, factor in all the high end parts on it and a rhd 72 base car and I doubt you could build it for less than 200k

Edited by ditchvisitor on Friday 28th January 21:41

RM

593 posts

98 months

Friday 28th January 2022
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LeakUpTest said:
Thank you.

My clocks........1600 quid to paint them. 1600! I just think certain suppliers are making hay at the minute. If someone builds one today, there's zero chance of getting your money back so you'll want to make sure it's right and keep it.
They are perfect. Who did them, could I ask?

Wilmslowboy

4,216 posts

207 months

Friday 28th January 2022
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One of the joys of a car with good ride, raspy engine, low weight and a narrow body, is you can keep the pace up on B and country roads.

No more point, squirt, brake hard, squirt, brake really hard as a car is coming the other way, instead a much more smooth flowing pace.

One of the best driving cars I owned was a Honda ITR, lightweight, n/a revvy engine, sub 200 bhp - my ‘76 has the same DNA , just made 20 years earlier.


ditchvisitor

1,208 posts

222 months

Friday 28th January 2022
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Wilmslowboy said:
One of the joys of a car with good ride, raspy engine, low weight and a narrow body, is you can keep the pace up on B and country roads.

No more point, squirt, brake hard, squirt, brake really hard as a car is coming the other way, instead a much more smooth flowing pace.

One of the best driving cars I owned was a Honda ITR, lightweight, n/a revvy engine, sub 200 bhp - my ‘76 has the same DNA , just made 20 years earlier.
I was gutted when I lost out to you on that car! It’s mega!

Wilmslowboy

4,216 posts

207 months

Friday 28th January 2022
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ditchvisitor said:
I was gutted when I lost out to you on that car! It’s mega!
I bid higher than planned, but 9e gave me the nod that it was a good in, known to them, in fact I collected it from their showroom/ workshop.

Whilst collecting it the actual technician that did the work came out and walked me round the work done.


Looks like you ended up with a bit more of a wild 350 bhp beast.

Edited by Wilmslowboy on Friday 28th January 21:52

BertBert

19,082 posts

212 months

Saturday 29th January 2022
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ditchvisitor said:
1972 RHD 911E - Now a 3.0 RS rep with a 3.8, 350bhp and 950kgs!
Just bring curious and light hearted, but how can it be a 3.0 RS rep with 3.8l and 350 bhp?

ditchvisitor

1,208 posts

222 months

Saturday 29th January 2022
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BertBert said:
ditchvisitor said:
1972 RHD 911E - Now a 3.0 RS rep with a 3.8, 350bhp and 950kgs!
Just bring curious and light hearted, but how can it be a 3.0 RS rep with 3.8l and 350 bhp?
See pics above…. Wide bodied, correct bumpers and wing!

LeakUpTest

92 posts

29 months

Saturday 29th January 2022
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ditchvisitor said:
See pics above…. Wide bodied, correct bumpers and wing!
I love that! Looks like a proper weapon. I almost went for the iroc look but bottled it.

BertBert

19,082 posts

212 months

Saturday 29th January 2022
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ditchvisitor said:
See pics above…. Wide bodied, correct bumpers and wing!
And a completely incorrect engine. Quite an important part perhaps?

Yellow491

2,929 posts

120 months

Saturday 29th January 2022
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BertBert said:
ditchvisitor said:
See pics above…. Wide bodied, correct bumpers and wing!
And a completely incorrect engine. Quite an important part perhaps?
Its a better engine than the 3.0ltr,it's quite a weapon when its finished,does it matter what the engine is, its a hotrod, a nice one at that.

ditchvisitor

1,208 posts

222 months

Saturday 29th January 2022
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BertBert said:
ditchvisitor said:
See pics above…. Wide bodied, correct bumpers and wing!
And a completely incorrect engine. Quite an important part perhaps?
I’m not sure it’s that difficult to grasp…. I didn’t say exact concourse replica of a 3.0RS. Is in the style of a 3.0 RS better? How about 3.0RS hotrod??

julian987R

6,840 posts

60 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2022
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