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Im having mine done by pro 9 at the moment. I will wait for a final assessment as not finished, but they seems to know what they are doing. By thatI refer to the poster saying the fit was poor, they drive badly etc. Pro 9 try to advise me all the time to clean, repair and reuse the original parts, replacing bushings, dampers etc.That way it doesn't throw the character of the car all over the place. This makes more sense the further we go along the build.
So engine, gearbox and chassis all matching but all nut and bolt rebuilt with new seals, rubbers dampers etc. Engine has jenvys going on for a decent 230bhp-more than enough for the coast cruiser Im after. Most parts are stripped and powder coated etc.
The cost will be in the region of 80k + doner car and this will give me a solid fully upgrade car that will still be essentially the same as a brand new original +20% on everything, if that makes sense.
The lesson I think is don't go stupid on any part, ie 350bhp motor on a car that started with 170 and expect a balanced car. Improve everything as much as the budget allows. And understand even a modest build now is 50k - and that would just be a refresh.
As for buying second hand restos, there are such a wide quality of work. I guess you have to have a good drive in it for half hour plus and recommend spending £300 on someone like Simon at Pro 9, giving you a proper assessment before you buy.
So engine, gearbox and chassis all matching but all nut and bolt rebuilt with new seals, rubbers dampers etc. Engine has jenvys going on for a decent 230bhp-more than enough for the coast cruiser Im after. Most parts are stripped and powder coated etc.
The cost will be in the region of 80k + doner car and this will give me a solid fully upgrade car that will still be essentially the same as a brand new original +20% on everything, if that makes sense.
The lesson I think is don't go stupid on any part, ie 350bhp motor on a car that started with 170 and expect a balanced car. Improve everything as much as the budget allows. And understand even a modest build now is 50k - and that would just be a refresh.
As for buying second hand restos, there are such a wide quality of work. I guess you have to have a good drive in it for half hour plus and recommend spending £300 on someone like Simon at Pro 9, giving you a proper assessment before you buy.
Mintbird said:
it looks very ropey and done on a budget and halfway needing another restoration.
thought 41k was on the money myself. Could easily see another 20-30k plowed into it before getting it sorted.
What Mintbird said !thought 41k was on the money myself. Could easily see another 20-30k plowed into it before getting it sorted.
If that car’s been painted in the last ten years what on earth was the condition of the body when they painted for that rust to be bubbling through? Dread to think what other shortcuts were taken.
Proper money pit
Mintbird said:
it looks very ropey and done on a budget and halfway needing another restoration.
thought 41k was on the money myself. Could easily see another 20-30k plowed into it before getting it sorted.
I had seen this car up close a few months ago at a car meet and this was exactly my thoughts on it too.thought 41k was on the money myself. Could easily see another 20-30k plowed into it before getting it sorted.
stichill99 said:
Only reason to go to Poland would be to save money.....hopefully. Reminds me of the Grand Designs when the super dooper windows were bought from Eastern Europe and it all went tragically,expensively wrong and far away, especially when they stop answering phone etc!
Might want to have a word with M-Sport then who not only sub-contract a lot of their work to Poland but also have a base out there. It's not only about getting cheaper labour rates (although that helps) but also tapping into a vast network of specialist production staff that don't want to or can't relocate to the UK.Ffffaster said:
What a fantastic thread. It really has opened my eyes to understand that restomods aren't worth building from scratch for the average person. Also good to learn that there is a LOT of rubbish out there.
I could be the market for a good restomod or a tastefully modified/improved 964/993, and was wondering who we feel can be trusted "out of the box"?
Ninemiester?
Theon?
RennSport?
Interesting, not sure if I like it or I don't.
https://www.tomhartley.com/used-car-details/used-p...
What imback said. Pro9 Porsche. 90% done and been great.
Im sure imback can post a few pics of the job and like I did give you a rough idea of cost.
I could be the market for a good restomod or a tastefully modified/improved 964/993, and was wondering who we feel can be trusted "out of the box"?
Ninemiester?
Theon?
RennSport?
Interesting, not sure if I like it or I don't.
https://www.tomhartley.com/used-car-details/used-p...
What imback said. Pro9 Porsche. 90% done and been great.
Im sure imback can post a few pics of the job and like I did give you a rough idea of cost.
Edited by Ffffaster on Tuesday 16th May 11:49
I think one thing I am crystal clear on is that I am not going to build a car for myself. The value after the build is very debatable, and I don't want to put good money in only to lose it.
The way forward is going to be collectingcars.com or similar, I think. That way I know I have paid a little more than someone else would have paid for it anyway and not, over the odds.
Wish I could have bought this.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1993-porsche-9...
964 Turbo RUF at circa £200,000. Looks super and you know it's been built right.
The way forward is going to be collectingcars.com or similar, I think. That way I know I have paid a little more than someone else would have paid for it anyway and not, over the odds.
Wish I could have bought this.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1993-porsche-9...
964 Turbo RUF at circa £200,000. Looks super and you know it's been built right.
BrewsterBear said:
Here's mine;
I built it to my own spec. Not intending to recreate any model in particular. Just using the parts I liked the look of. No big bubble ST arches. No ridiculously deep Fuchs. I wanted purposeful, but understated class. I'm happy I've achieved what I set out to do.
It's based on a 1982 SC. I had the shell bare metal stripped, prepped and painted by Jeff Day who used to be of Fenn Lane Motorsport. all panels are steel, but what most don't realise is it's not just a case of painting them and throwing them on. Many needed nips, tucks and tweeks to get a good fit and finish. I'm really pleased with it now and it certainly turns heads.
I had a 993 Varioram fitted, mated to a freshly rebuilt 915 with Quaife by Rennspeed in Retford who I've used for years and wouldn't trust anyone else. Wayne at Chipwizards remapped it at 303bhp and it certainly picks up its skirt. Full refresh on suspension using Bilstein Street Sports and a mixture of rubber and poly bushes depending, so not too firm and crashy. Interior was done by SG Styling in Leeds, but no glitzy chrome rings for me. Just nappa leather and good fabric. I used 964 Sports seats with the deeper bolsters. They don't look especially period correct, but they're the comfiest Porsche seats I've ever sat in, inclduing all the way to Germany without any aches or groans.
All in, with the car (bought ten years ago for a song compared to today) it owes me about £100k. I certainly wouldn't let it go for less than that. It took 4 years to complete and I finished it about 3 years ago. I can only imagine that everything including labour has become more expensive since then. So many things add up. For example, the genuine 7&8" Fuchs set me back £1500 and they were bare. I know the chap who sold them to me almost immediately regretted it. Add in a proper refurb with anodising and paint, plus tyres and it's £3k there. Yes you can get replicas and some such as Braid look quite nice. They're never quite right though, to my eyes anyway.
Does it have Singer levels of finish? Of course not, but I built it to drive and I've done that. I'll continue to do that too.
I could be tempted to part with mine, but I'd be looking for £110k. It's just been given a major service including hydraulic tappets replaced on the Varioram, etc, ready for this summer and many more.I built it to my own spec. Not intending to recreate any model in particular. Just using the parts I liked the look of. No big bubble ST arches. No ridiculously deep Fuchs. I wanted purposeful, but understated class. I'm happy I've achieved what I set out to do.
It's based on a 1982 SC. I had the shell bare metal stripped, prepped and painted by Jeff Day who used to be of Fenn Lane Motorsport. all panels are steel, but what most don't realise is it's not just a case of painting them and throwing them on. Many needed nips, tucks and tweeks to get a good fit and finish. I'm really pleased with it now and it certainly turns heads.
I had a 993 Varioram fitted, mated to a freshly rebuilt 915 with Quaife by Rennspeed in Retford who I've used for years and wouldn't trust anyone else. Wayne at Chipwizards remapped it at 303bhp and it certainly picks up its skirt. Full refresh on suspension using Bilstein Street Sports and a mixture of rubber and poly bushes depending, so not too firm and crashy. Interior was done by SG Styling in Leeds, but no glitzy chrome rings for me. Just nappa leather and good fabric. I used 964 Sports seats with the deeper bolsters. They don't look especially period correct, but they're the comfiest Porsche seats I've ever sat in, inclduing all the way to Germany without any aches or groans.
All in, with the car (bought ten years ago for a song compared to today) it owes me about £100k. I certainly wouldn't let it go for less than that. It took 4 years to complete and I finished it about 3 years ago. I can only imagine that everything including labour has become more expensive since then. So many things add up. For example, the genuine 7&8" Fuchs set me back £1500 and they were bare. I know the chap who sold them to me almost immediately regretted it. Add in a proper refurb with anodising and paint, plus tyres and it's £3k there. Yes you can get replicas and some such as Braid look quite nice. They're never quite right though, to my eyes anyway.
Does it have Singer levels of finish? Of course not, but I built it to drive and I've done that. I'll continue to do that too.
Ffffaster said:
I think one thing I am crystal clear on is that I am not going to build a car for myself. The value after the build is very debatable, and I don't want to put good money in only to lose it.
The way forward is going to be collectingcars.com or similar, I think. That way I know I have paid a little more than someone else would have paid for it anyway and not, over the odds.
Wish I could have bought this.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1993-porsche-9...
964 Turbo RUF at circa £200,000. Looks super and you know it's been built right.
oooooooooooh The way forward is going to be collectingcars.com or similar, I think. That way I know I have paid a little more than someone else would have paid for it anyway and not, over the odds.
Wish I could have bought this.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1993-porsche-9...
964 Turbo RUF at circa £200,000. Looks super and you know it's been built right.
cool and Ruf lovely.BrewsterBear said:
I could be tempted to part with mine, but I'd be looking for £110k. It's just been given a major service including hydraulic tappets replaced on the Varioram, etc, ready for this summer and many more.
That's exquisite. Always loved yours, fairly certain I saw it down Brighton way sometime ago. Gorgeous and good value given what's out there. ImbackYo said:
That's exquisite. Always loved yours, fairly certain I saw it down Brighton way sometime ago. Gorgeous and good value given what's out there.
Cheers. I think it would be a fair price for a properly sorted 3.6 road car with no corners cut. I haven't got the heart to really attempt to sell it, but if someone turned up with the right money I could let it go. I spend a lot of time abroad these days and don't get a lot of chance to drive any of my cars.this one looks also nice, great looks. lovely engine.
lots of pictures and video here>
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-porsche-911...
lots of pictures and video here>
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-porsche-911...
Pflanzgarten said:
Might want to have a word with M-Sport then who not only sub-contract a lot of their work to Poland but also have a base out there. It's not only about getting cheaper labour rates (although that helps) but also tapping into a vast network of specialist production staff that don't want to or can't relocate to the UK.
That is a totally different scenario with a base in this country!stichill99 said:
Pflanzgarten said:
Might want to have a word with M-Sport then who not only sub-contract a lot of their work to Poland but also have a base out there. It's not only about getting cheaper labour rates (although that helps) but also tapping into a vast network of specialist production staff that don't want to or can't relocate to the UK.
That is a totally different scenario with a base in this country!Edited by Chemical Ali on Monday 5th June 21:40
Think I prefer my old one to this
https://www.thedrive.com/news/that-incredible-1999...
Though wouldn't have minded the double bubble roof.
They should have just started with a gt3 and put rear seats in though
https://www.thedrive.com/news/that-incredible-1999...
Though wouldn't have minded the double bubble roof.
They should have just started with a gt3 and put rear seats in though
boring warning: Backdated 1978 Porsche 911SC
did I say boring? hm... this one has a updated 3.3 964 turbo engine, now 3.4 and many new upgrades and 600hp...
look how they did that under the hood, love that, no need o a big rear wing to cover the cooler.
interior also not bad, step in please>
way more pictures >
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-porsche-911...
did I say boring? hm... this one has a updated 3.3 964 turbo engine, now 3.4 and many new upgrades and 600hp...
look how they did that under the hood, love that, no need o a big rear wing to cover the cooler.
interior also not bad, step in please>
way more pictures >
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-porsche-911...
GTRene said:
boring warning: Backdated 1978 Porsche 911SC
did I say boring? hm... this one has a updated 3.3 964 turbo engine, now 3.4 and many new upgrades and 600hp...
look how they did that under the hood, love that, no need o a big rear wing to cover the cooler.
interior also not bad, step in please>
way more pictures >
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-porsche-911...
I assume you are being sarcastic as it is atrocious ... did I say boring? hm... this one has a updated 3.3 964 turbo engine, now 3.4 and many new upgrades and 600hp...
look how they did that under the hood, love that, no need o a big rear wing to cover the cooler.
interior also not bad, step in please>
way more pictures >
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-porsche-911...
https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/...
https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/...
those been later added I believe, not seen al pictures but listen to his video's were he explain this, they needed more cooling, so I guess afterwards they made those extra cooling vents for the coolers behind it.
otherwise they could do it more straight and paint it at once. you can see they added those later, small thing, can even be rectified if you want such, small thing.
its a wolf in sheep cloth.
personally I'm more a fan of the wide body variants, say ala 30 jahre 964 model in violet but then only RWD and way more hp :-)
otherwise they could do it more straight and paint it at once. you can see they added those later, small thing, can even be rectified if you want such, small thing.
its a wolf in sheep cloth.
personally I'm more a fan of the wide body variants, say ala 30 jahre 964 model in violet but then only RWD and way more hp :-)
This 9m car is up sale at for £225,000. Seems very poorly priced when the same model, by 9m, sold for a lot less than that fairly recently at £132,000.
https://www.theoctanecollection.com/cars/porsche-9...
https://www.bonhams.com/auction/26117/lot/214/1992...
https://www.theoctanecollection.com/cars/porsche-9...
https://www.bonhams.com/auction/26117/lot/214/1992...
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