Resto/Mod Backdating costs...

Resto/Mod Backdating costs...

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stichill99

1,046 posts

182 months

Thursday 20th July 2023
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One can but hope!

BrewsterBear

1,507 posts

193 months

Friday 21st July 2023
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I struggled to find a good solution for the exhaust on my 3.6 in an earlier shell. I've been running the original 993 headers with a butchered, earlier 2 in silencer grafted on;



Given the angle of the inlets it wasn't doing a lot of silencing and I think it was a little restrictive. I considered getting a custom one made, but haven't seen any that I liked enough.

Bursch (and many others) have been making 1 5/8" headers for a long time but these are too small for the 993 exhaust ports and would have choked the engine at higher revs. They've recently started making 1 3/4" headers with heat exchangers and these are a pretty much perfect match for the ports. Using their Y pipes and a 997 GT3 silencer you can switch between "quiet" and loud too.

They look well made and the 3-1 collectors look lovely. I'm unsure how useful the small heat exhangers around the collectors will be, but it rarely gets driven in cold, damp weather and some heat is better than no heat. I can't wait to see what difference it's made to the sound and the way it revs.


IMI A

9,410 posts

202 months

Friday 21st July 2023
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Ffffaster said:
This 9m car is up sale at for £225,000. Seems very poorly priced when the same model, by 9m, sold for a lot less than that fairly recently at £132,000.

https://www.theoctanecollection.com/cars/porsche-9...

https://www.bonhams.com/auction/26117/lot/214/1992...
The Bonhams car a good buy but wrong colour IMO. I like Colin’s creations but have never understood why his commissions come up for sale so soon after completion. Vendor will have taken a bath on that.

GTRene

16,595 posts

225 months

Friday 21st July 2023
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BrewsterBear said:
Bursch (and many others) have been making 1 5/8" headers for a long time but these are too small for the 993 exhaust ports and would have choked the engine at higher revs. They've recently started making 1 3/4" headers with heat exchangers and these are a pretty much perfect match for the ports. Using their Y pipes and a 997 GT3 silencer you can switch between "quiet" and loud too.

They look well made and the 3-1 collectors look lovely. I'm unsure how useful the small heat exhangers around the collectors will be, but it rarely gets driven in cold, damp weather and some heat is better than no heat. I can't wait to see what difference it's made to the sound and the way it revs.

that system does look good, hope it works out for your 911 SC with the 3.6 with what standard power? 275 or so? maybe with that exhaust system and a fine tuning 300hp? would be nice.

BrewsterBear

1,507 posts

193 months

Friday 21st July 2023
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GTRene said:
that system does look good, hope it works out for your 911 SC with the 3.6 with what standard power? 275 or so? maybe with that exhaust system and a fine tuning 300hp? would be nice.
The Varioram was putting out 303bhp on the Chipwizard dyno when mapped on the old exhaust. That said I've heard it can read a smidge high. I do think the new one will make a bit of difference, or at least move the curve higher up the range.

GTRene

16,595 posts

225 months

Friday 21st July 2023
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I guess so as well if its already chipped, you could see around 320hp high rpm I guess, saw some retromodded cars with such engine and some tuning also getting around that.

Mintbird

560 posts

102 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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heres my backdate, spent 4-5 years building it.
its a 88 930 LHD delivered new in germany, orginally in black same as it is now. Unusual donor..
Its a 2.8 RSR tribute, built by Differs near Amsterdam - they specialize in 2.8 RSR hot rods.

Richard Chamberlain built 3.25L , GT3 crank Schrick cams Motec and on AT Power ITBs.
320 BHP at 6400 RPM, mated to a G50 box.
KW Competition Clubsport coilovers.

Sadly soon to be advertised for sale due to family property needing to be settled privately.
Pricing likely to be similar to the car above here, and that is less than what it cost to build...








Edited by Mintbird on Saturday 22 July 06:14

Filibuster

3,165 posts

216 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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Mintbird said:
heres my backdate, spent 4-5 years building it.
its a 88 930 LHD delivered new in germany, orginally in black same as it is now. Unusual donor..
Its a 2.8 RSR tribute, built by Differs near Amsterdam - they specialize in 2.8 RSR hot rods.

Richard Chamberlain built 3.25L , GT3 crank Schrick cams Motec and on AT Power ITBs.
320 BHP at 6400 RPM, mated to a G50 box.
KW Competition Clubsport coilovers.

Sadly soon to be advertised for sale due to family property needing to be settled privately.
Pricing likely to be similar to the car above here, and that is less than what it cost to build...








Edited by Mintbird on Saturday 22 July 06:14
This looks lovely! But I don‘t understand: is the engine still turbocharged? I‘m asking because of the GT3 cam and also because I would have expected a higher output from a turbocharged engine.
If turbo, are you still running the original KKKs? What pressure?

BrewsterBear

1,507 posts

193 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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Given it's on ITBs I would say is N/A. I bet it revs well. That's a lovely car though Axel.

Mintbird

560 posts

102 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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NA..

BrewsterBear

1,507 posts

193 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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Is that based on the SC engine you bought from me? Or one of your many other projects?

BAMoFo

746 posts

257 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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I don't think it is particularly uncommon to use turbo engines as a donor and to remove the turbocharger. The 3.5 MFI engine in my RSR replica was originally a 930 turbo engine.

Mintbird

560 posts

102 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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Its a sc donor engine, but not yours kenny. That engine is on mfi in a blue 912 i had built, check out 912max on Instagram smile

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Filibuster

3,165 posts

216 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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Ah yes… I shouldn‘t post pre morning coffee. coffee

Didn‘t knew turbo engines where used as base for a n/a build. Just read on the internet that Porsche used the Carrera RS 3.0 engine and then added some KKK turbos. So makes a lot of sense! And also I never actively though about it, but yes it makes sense that ITBs and turbos are mutually exclusive. Or are they? scratchchin

GTRene

16,595 posts

225 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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Mintbird said:
NA..
mmm carporn, with license only.

Mintbird

560 posts

102 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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Its a sc engine base not turbo. But the blocks are pretty much the same anyway

BAMoFo

746 posts

257 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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Filibuster said:
Ah yes… I shouldn‘t post pre morning coffee. coffee

Didn‘t knew turbo engines where used as base for a n/a build. Just read on the internet that Porsche used the Carrera RS 3.0 engine and then added some KKK turbos. So makes a lot of sense! And also I never actively though about it, but yes it makes sense that ITBs and turbos are mutually exclusive. Or are they? scratchchin
Throttle Bodies and Turbochargers are not mutually exclusive, but the Throttle Bodies have to be sealed. In that sense they are similar to how carburettor fuelled cars such as the original Lotus Esprit Turbo had to be sealed to accept the forced induction from the turbocharger.

I would guess that using turbo engine bottom ends is down to the fact that they are engineered to cope with increased power.

stichill99

1,046 posts

182 months

Saturday 22nd July 2023
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Pflanzgarten said:
I think these look great! Much better than a standard convertible!

Mintbird

560 posts

102 months

Sunday 23rd July 2023
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Anyone seen the 4.3 litre NA engine from swiss based on 964? Egmo makes em, 370+ bhp… six figures though, pluss donor engine..