Resto/Mod Backdating costs...
Discussion
julian987R said:
GTRene said:
not bad, a bit of art, in a car of art? also nice to see other ways of changing things, like the rear middle part were now the exhaust is and grill
He has done some amazing ones to date - portfolio at:https://www.machine-revival.com/vehicles-gallery/
I like this play upon the Marshall Amp knob controls ...
https://www.machine-revival.com/portfolio/mr30-ori...
I like the fun he takes with them - if one is doing a restomod, why not inject some fun. Very impressive work in my opinion.
ImbackYo said:
G4W said:
That's a hideous wheel and colour combo. Imo of course. Sometimes i think people dare to be different for the sake of being different and it doesn't work.
what I also not like from that ducktale, the side is way to high compared to the rest of the body, it does not flow nicely from side to side ducktale, difficult to explain in poor English lol, hope you see what I mean.
Love the looks of this 964 wide body restomod now 3.8, ok the carbon ducktaile... hm, I think it looks better with the Singer tail, thats a bit more like standard with a bit extra. It has Carrera RS brakes and so on.
what does that do? >
not cheap, but wat les expensive then? this one comes at 160k euro I believe.
what does that do? >
not cheap, but wat les expensive then? this one comes at 160k euro I believe.
Filibuster said:
GTRene said:
It controls the semi active dampers. Quite an advanced setup and they come highly praised, but imho doesn‘t suit the ethos of a classic 911. In Danmark I believe is a nice-ish 930 Turbo 1979? or 81 I forgot for sale for just 119k euro I believe or was it 129k, it has some RUF tuned engine, better turbo earlier pickup and so on, 400hp and the engine from 3.3 to 3.4L looks like a nice base for a RSR-ish restomod although its also not bad as it is, although no fan of the Turbo rear spoiler for the cooler.
But I saw you can also buy special coolers bigger and shaped so that it fits under a normal or say Singer ish rear deck/spoiler. anyhow, always fantasizing here
btw, I like the 964 mid console/shifter system ala this restomod, would it be possible to fit such in a 930 G? models? they look way cleaner then the older shifter/long/different, not as nice as the 964 possibilities like also Singer can do with the 964 based cars
Edited by GTRene on Sunday 11th February 21:48
Hi guys,
I started a new thread under Porsche Classics subform but was pointed over to this thread.
I’ve been fancying the idea of a classic 911 for some time now and have seen this coming up soon on collecting cars - https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1979-porsche-9...
To my untrained eye, it looks stunning but could anybody give general pointers as to what to look out for on these, common issues etc. I’ll be honest that I’ve not got much clue on these other than I think it looks like a blast and with the (ultra) high mileage, it wouldn’t have to be a garage queen
I started a new thread under Porsche Classics subform but was pointed over to this thread.
I’ve been fancying the idea of a classic 911 for some time now and have seen this coming up soon on collecting cars - https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1979-porsche-9...
To my untrained eye, it looks stunning but could anybody give general pointers as to what to look out for on these, common issues etc. I’ll be honest that I’ve not got much clue on these other than I think it looks like a blast and with the (ultra) high mileage, it wouldn’t have to be a garage queen
Edited by Redline88 on Saturday 24th February 17:53
It's pretty. It's not been used recently - look at the mileage between MOTs and the state of the steering wheel. I'd be concerned about many, many things:
What state was the base car (a 1979 Carrera SC) in before the backdate happened? Where's the restoration documentation? These things rust like crazy and most of them will also have had some kind of damage. None of that is a problem if it's repaired properly.
What about the motor? It's stated as a 3.2, but the SC would have had a 3 litre. Is it the same engine rebuilt, or a different one. To what spec? By whom and when? This thing has the thick end of 160,000 miles on it - so while it may be Trigger's broom, whatever hasn't been renewed may need it. It's seems to be running an aftermarket ECU or at least some aftermarket sensors (there's an air/fuel mixture gauge in the glovebox) - what is it, who mapped it, etc?
Ditto the gearbox - is it a 915? If so, when was it last looked at and how many miles does it have since then? What uprated shift kit is that (there's clearly one installed) - or has the box been replaced with a G50, in which case where did it come from and what spec is it? Does it have an LSD, and if so, is that working?
If none of it is matching numbers, then the car is worth less. Stupid, but true.
What suspension is on the car? There's no underbody shots. Is it still torsion bar or has it been converted to coil-overs? Which dampers? Who set it up?
The brakes look uprated, from what little I can see through the Fuchs copies, but to what spec. It won't have ABS, remember, or any kind of modern safety systems.
Ventilation looks standard - which is to say not great - although there's an unlabelled switch by the (modern satnav-equipped Porsche Classic) stereo which might be aftermarket, presumably electric a/c. I doubt it.
Door cards, on the other hand, are RS-copies. The engine lid is kevlar; the bonnet is also a replica (because 1979 cars didn't have a central fuel filler and it's a long-nose with small (also replica) bumpers, hence "backdate"). What's it made of (and the bumpers). Are there proper crash bars behind the new bumpers. Are the wing flares steel or GRP? Are the doors still steel?
Headlights look original (you'll want LED) and have condensation, which again suggests cold and damp storage - check with care. Wiring in general doesn't look the tidiest. There's no underbonnet carpet - or spare wheel.
It's a decent looking thing on the surface. I think the finishing is a bit suspect in places (I think I can see a spot of rust in one of the underbonnet shots, and the paint in the door shuts doesn't look great). It will drive like an old car (because it is one) - be a bit noisy, probably smell like an old car, not have great heating etc. You will spend a lot of time chasing annoying problems, especially if you seek perfection (ask me about my 356 hotrod some time) but if it's fundamentally honest - no way to tell without the docs and an inspection by someone who knows what they're doing - and you're happy with the 70's driving dynamics, why not?
I would absolutely not buy anything like this at auction undriven and uninspected. If you can have it gone over before you bid - and ideally get a drive - then maybe.
What state was the base car (a 1979 Carrera SC) in before the backdate happened? Where's the restoration documentation? These things rust like crazy and most of them will also have had some kind of damage. None of that is a problem if it's repaired properly.
What about the motor? It's stated as a 3.2, but the SC would have had a 3 litre. Is it the same engine rebuilt, or a different one. To what spec? By whom and when? This thing has the thick end of 160,000 miles on it - so while it may be Trigger's broom, whatever hasn't been renewed may need it. It's seems to be running an aftermarket ECU or at least some aftermarket sensors (there's an air/fuel mixture gauge in the glovebox) - what is it, who mapped it, etc?
Ditto the gearbox - is it a 915? If so, when was it last looked at and how many miles does it have since then? What uprated shift kit is that (there's clearly one installed) - or has the box been replaced with a G50, in which case where did it come from and what spec is it? Does it have an LSD, and if so, is that working?
If none of it is matching numbers, then the car is worth less. Stupid, but true.
What suspension is on the car? There's no underbody shots. Is it still torsion bar or has it been converted to coil-overs? Which dampers? Who set it up?
The brakes look uprated, from what little I can see through the Fuchs copies, but to what spec. It won't have ABS, remember, or any kind of modern safety systems.
Ventilation looks standard - which is to say not great - although there's an unlabelled switch by the (modern satnav-equipped Porsche Classic) stereo which might be aftermarket, presumably electric a/c. I doubt it.
Door cards, on the other hand, are RS-copies. The engine lid is kevlar; the bonnet is also a replica (because 1979 cars didn't have a central fuel filler and it's a long-nose with small (also replica) bumpers, hence "backdate"). What's it made of (and the bumpers). Are there proper crash bars behind the new bumpers. Are the wing flares steel or GRP? Are the doors still steel?
Headlights look original (you'll want LED) and have condensation, which again suggests cold and damp storage - check with care. Wiring in general doesn't look the tidiest. There's no underbonnet carpet - or spare wheel.
It's a decent looking thing on the surface. I think the finishing is a bit suspect in places (I think I can see a spot of rust in one of the underbonnet shots, and the paint in the door shuts doesn't look great). It will drive like an old car (because it is one) - be a bit noisy, probably smell like an old car, not have great heating etc. You will spend a lot of time chasing annoying problems, especially if you seek perfection (ask me about my 356 hotrod some time) but if it's fundamentally honest - no way to tell without the docs and an inspection by someone who knows what they're doing - and you're happy with the 70's driving dynamics, why not?
I would absolutely not buy anything like this at auction undriven and uninspected. If you can have it gone over before you bid - and ideally get a drive - then maybe.
964Cup said:
It's pretty. It's not been used recently - look at the mileage between MOTs and the state of the steering wheel. I'd be concerned about many, many things:
What state was the base car (a 1979 Carrera SC) in before the backdate happened? Where's the restoration documentation? These things rust like crazy and most of them will also have had some kind of damage. None of that is a problem if it's repaired properly.
What about the motor? It's stated as a 3.2, but the SC would have had a 3 litre. Is it the same engine rebuilt, or a different one. To what spec? By whom and when? This thing has the thick end of 160,000 miles on it - so while it may be Trigger's broom, whatever hasn't been renewed may need it. It's seems to be running an aftermarket ECU or at least some aftermarket sensors (there's an air/fuel mixture gauge in the glovebox) - what is it, who mapped it, etc?
Ditto the gearbox - is it a 915? If so, when was it last looked at and how many miles does it have since then? What uprated shift kit is that (there's clearly one installed) - or has the box been replaced with a G50, in which case where did it come from and what spec is it? Does it have an LSD, and if so, is that working?
If none of it is matching numbers, then the car is worth less. Stupid, but true.
What suspension is on the car? There's no underbody shots. Is it still torsion bar or has it been converted to coil-overs? Which dampers? Who set it up?
The brakes look uprated, from what little I can see through the Fuchs copies, but to what spec. It won't have ABS, remember, or any kind of modern safety systems.
Ventilation looks standard - which is to say not great - although there's an unlabelled switch by the (modern satnav-equipped Porsche Classic) stereo which might be aftermarket, presumably electric a/c. I doubt it.
Door cards, on the other hand, are RS-copies. The engine lid is kevlar; the bonnet is also a replica (because 1979 cars didn't have a central fuel filler and it's a long-nose with small (also replica) bumpers, hence "backdate"). What's it made of (and the bumpers). Are there proper crash bars behind the new bumpers. Are the wing flares steel or GRP? Are the doors still steel?
Headlights look original (you'll want LED) and have condensation, which again suggests cold and damp storage - check with care. Wiring in general doesn't look the tidiest. There's no underbonnet carpet - or spare wheel.
It's a decent looking thing on the surface. I think the finishing is a bit suspect in places (I think I can see a spot of rust in one of the underbonnet shots, and the paint in the door shuts doesn't look great). It will drive like an old car (because it is one) - be a bit noisy, probably smell like an old car, not have great heating etc. You will spend a lot of time chasing annoying problems, especially if you seek perfection (ask me about my 356 hotrod some time) but if it's fundamentally honest - no way to tell without the docs and an inspection by someone who knows what they're doing - and you're happy with the 70's driving dynamics, why not?
I would absolutely not buy anything like this at auction undriven and uninspected. If you can have it gone over before you bid - and ideally get a drive - then maybe.
Great post.What state was the base car (a 1979 Carrera SC) in before the backdate happened? Where's the restoration documentation? These things rust like crazy and most of them will also have had some kind of damage. None of that is a problem if it's repaired properly.
What about the motor? It's stated as a 3.2, but the SC would have had a 3 litre. Is it the same engine rebuilt, or a different one. To what spec? By whom and when? This thing has the thick end of 160,000 miles on it - so while it may be Trigger's broom, whatever hasn't been renewed may need it. It's seems to be running an aftermarket ECU or at least some aftermarket sensors (there's an air/fuel mixture gauge in the glovebox) - what is it, who mapped it, etc?
Ditto the gearbox - is it a 915? If so, when was it last looked at and how many miles does it have since then? What uprated shift kit is that (there's clearly one installed) - or has the box been replaced with a G50, in which case where did it come from and what spec is it? Does it have an LSD, and if so, is that working?
If none of it is matching numbers, then the car is worth less. Stupid, but true.
What suspension is on the car? There's no underbody shots. Is it still torsion bar or has it been converted to coil-overs? Which dampers? Who set it up?
The brakes look uprated, from what little I can see through the Fuchs copies, but to what spec. It won't have ABS, remember, or any kind of modern safety systems.
Ventilation looks standard - which is to say not great - although there's an unlabelled switch by the (modern satnav-equipped Porsche Classic) stereo which might be aftermarket, presumably electric a/c. I doubt it.
Door cards, on the other hand, are RS-copies. The engine lid is kevlar; the bonnet is also a replica (because 1979 cars didn't have a central fuel filler and it's a long-nose with small (also replica) bumpers, hence "backdate"). What's it made of (and the bumpers). Are there proper crash bars behind the new bumpers. Are the wing flares steel or GRP? Are the doors still steel?
Headlights look original (you'll want LED) and have condensation, which again suggests cold and damp storage - check with care. Wiring in general doesn't look the tidiest. There's no underbonnet carpet - or spare wheel.
It's a decent looking thing on the surface. I think the finishing is a bit suspect in places (I think I can see a spot of rust in one of the underbonnet shots, and the paint in the door shuts doesn't look great). It will drive like an old car (because it is one) - be a bit noisy, probably smell like an old car, not have great heating etc. You will spend a lot of time chasing annoying problems, especially if you seek perfection (ask me about my 356 hotrod some time) but if it's fundamentally honest - no way to tell without the docs and an inspection by someone who knows what they're doing - and you're happy with the 70's driving dynamics, why not?
I would absolutely not buy anything like this at auction undriven and uninspected. If you can have it gone over before you bid - and ideally get a drive - then maybe.
Looks to me like they’ve put new seats in it to sell it.
Buying something like this without an inspection/test drive is potentially akin to financial suicide.
964Cup said:
Lots of sensible stuff.
As 964Cup says, it's possible to do one on a budget but you do get what you pay for. Fibreglass parts never give the same quality finish as steel. That car has a 3.2 Carrera engine fitted which are known for being a strong unit, but they do tend to need a top end rebuild around 100-120k miles. Rust isn't usually terminal, but it needs sorting properly. Impact bumper cars were not cherished for a long period and many have had substandard repairs and bodges to keep them on the road. It's tempting to think you can spend £20k strapping a fibreglass kit to an SC with a full respray and you have a pretty, early looking car but they don't stand up to close scrutiny and they'll still be a tired car underneath. Suspension, brakes, gearbox, engine, all could be well past their best and they're the most important part of the experience of driving one of these.
I'm still considering parting with my backdate, but I haven't put any effort into advertising it this year. When it was featured in Classic Porsche the journalist couldn't believe I'd managed to get the high quality of fit and finish for the £80k spend at the time. I've since put another £10k into it, but you only have to look at the Rennsport conversions to see how spending double that amount is easily done.
https://www.elferspot.com/en/car/porsche-911-backd...
Ah the advert has expired, which is an indication of how much effort I've put into moving it on. Collecting Cars have been in touch twice as they'd like it for their site and if I decide to let it go I may well go that way.
If you search my post history there's plenty of photos and details of my car if you're interested. Even if not for buying it, it will give you an idea of what's involved and the money that can be spent to make a good driver's car.
If you search my post history there's plenty of photos and details of my car if you're interested. Even if not for buying it, it will give you an idea of what's involved and the money that can be spent to make a good driver's car.
Really like yours BrewsterBear, took me a while to find the details so here's the link to save anybody else scrolling back:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Redline88 said:
Hi guys,
I started a new thread under Porsche Classics subform but was pointed over to this thread.
I’ve been fancying the idea of a classic 911 for some time now and have seen this coming up soon on collecting cars - https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1979-porsche-9...
To my untrained eye, it looks stunning but could anybody give general pointers as to what to look out for on these, common issues etc. I’ll be honest that I’ve not got much clue on these other than I think it looks like a blast and with the (ultra) high mileage, it wouldn’t have to be a garage queen
Car was unsold, bidding reached £60,600... what do we think the seller was looking for?I started a new thread under Porsche Classics subform but was pointed over to this thread.
I’ve been fancying the idea of a classic 911 for some time now and have seen this coming up soon on collecting cars - https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1979-porsche-9...
To my untrained eye, it looks stunning but could anybody give general pointers as to what to look out for on these, common issues etc. I’ll be honest that I’ve not got much clue on these other than I think it looks like a blast and with the (ultra) high mileage, it wouldn’t have to be a garage queen
Edited by Redline88 on Saturday 24th February 17:53
sassthathoopie said:
Redline88 said:
Hi guys,
I started a new thread under Porsche Classics subform but was pointed over to this thread.
I’ve been fancying the idea of a classic 911 for some time now and have seen this coming up soon on collecting cars - https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1979-porsche-9...
To my untrained eye, it looks stunning but could anybody give general pointers as to what to look out for on these, common issues etc. I’ll be honest that I’ve not got much clue on these other than I think it looks like a blast and with the (ultra) high mileage, it wouldn’t have to be a garage queen
Car was unsold, bidding reached £60,600... what do we think the seller was looking for?I started a new thread under Porsche Classics subform but was pointed over to this thread.
I’ve been fancying the idea of a classic 911 for some time now and have seen this coming up soon on collecting cars - https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1979-porsche-9...
To my untrained eye, it looks stunning but could anybody give general pointers as to what to look out for on these, common issues etc. I’ll be honest that I’ve not got much clue on these other than I think it looks like a blast and with the (ultra) high mileage, it wouldn’t have to be a garage queen
Edited by Redline88 on Saturday 24th February 17:53
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