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belfry said:
I’m not sure what an E Mark is. I can ask the manufacturer. Carbone in Poland also make something similar. I see these lights on loads of backdated 911. I guess Singer is a manufacturer so they wouldn’t be “aftermarket “ but I was worried about whether I can fit them in the UK and still pass my MOT.
Pretty sure Singer isn’t a manufacturer….it’s why they can still have the Porsche crest on the bonnet and Porsche decals down the side. Never owned one but I think still have the chassis number of the original 964. This sold over the weekend
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1972-porsche-9...
LHD 2.4 S with a 2.7 RS engine in it (from a car that was scrapped!)…..I was told recently by a specialist that they sold an RS engine for just under £50k.
Sold for £140k which is probably about right for a LHD 2.4S in good condition with its original engine.
Restored by 911 Cars who I have never heard of, anyone else ever come across them ? https://www.911cars.co.uk/
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1972-porsche-9...
LHD 2.4 S with a 2.7 RS engine in it (from a car that was scrapped!)…..I was told recently by a specialist that they sold an RS engine for just under £50k.
Sold for £140k which is probably about right for a LHD 2.4S in good condition with its original engine.
Restored by 911 Cars who I have never heard of, anyone else ever come across them ? https://www.911cars.co.uk/
I did call the firm selling these, I was told that “it depends on the MOT tester”, hence my asking for the experience of other owners on here.
I guess that we could just change the lights back to the originals prior to each MOT, then swap them again after the MOT.
I love the look of these lights but having had a 1977 3.0 stolen a few years ago, I wouldn’t relish another battle with the insurance company to get a timely payout if there was anything doubtful on the car.
I guess that we could just change the lights back to the originals prior to each MOT, then swap them again after the MOT.
I love the look of these lights but having had a 1977 3.0 stolen a few years ago, I wouldn’t relish another battle with the insurance company to get a timely payout if there was anything doubtful on the car.
I have been running some rpm conversions for years in my 2.8,probably one of the best updates you can do to these older cars.They sit behind the original light glass and look correct rather than the silly modern looking ones.
Now a pleasure to drive in the dark,and not had problems with mot,which i now dont need to do any more.
Now a pleasure to drive in the dark,and not had problems with mot,which i now dont need to do any more.
Yellow491 said:
I have been running some rpm conversions for years in my 2.8,probably one of the best updates you can do to these older cars.They sit behind the original light glass and look correct rather than the silly modern looking ones.
Now a pleasure to drive in the dark,and not had problems with mot,which i now dont need to do any more.
That's super helpful, thank you. This sounds perfect. I will contact RPM today.Now a pleasure to drive in the dark,and not had problems with mot,which i now dont need to do any more.
belfry said:
I’m not sure what an E Mark is. I can ask the manufacturer. Carbone in Poland also make something similar. I see these lights on loads of backdated 911. I guess Singer is a manufacturer so they wouldn’t be “aftermarket “ but I was worried about whether I can fit them in the UK and still pass my MOT.
I meant one of these: 
ECE type approval. I don‘t know how important those are in the uk, much less so since brexit.
Here on the continent, it is absolutely crucial to have them ob pretty much anything, most certainly on lights!
belfry said:
I did call the firm selling these, I was told that “it depends on the MOT tester”, hence my asking for the experience of other owners on here.
I guess that we could just change the lights back to the originals prior to each MOT, then swap them again after the MOT.
I love the look of these lights but having had a 1977 3.0 stolen a few years ago, I wouldn’t relish another battle with the insurance company to get a timely payout if there was anything doubtful on the car.
“it depends on the MOT tester” is a bullsI guess that we could just change the lights back to the originals prior to each MOT, then swap them again after the MOT.
I love the look of these lights but having had a 1977 3.0 stolen a few years ago, I wouldn’t relish another battle with the insurance company to get a timely payout if there was anything doubtful on the car.
t way to say they have no approval whatsoever. It‘s really a shame they don‘t go through the process of having them ECE approved, since they would most certainly pass. You can pass them in different countries at different locations, with TÜV being the crème de la crème. Most manufacturers go to Holland (E4 mark, iirc) tough.Having no such approval, basically makes them illegal in all of EU (and CH) and you‘d be in a lot of trouble if you have an accident…. Also if the wrong police man catches you, you can walk home and pick up the car from the police impound (happens a lot here in CH, if safety relevant or emission related stuff is altered).
Ranger 6 said:
Slippydiff said:
julian987R said:
This is definitely Porsche 911 restomodding done right
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/evomax-chal...
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/evomax-chal...
If anyone thinks this ^ is “restomodding done right”, I’d suggest a visit to Specsavers is in order, and pronto ...
belfry said:
Wow. Thank you for the advice. I had not realised that. I wonder how many owners of the restomod 911s with these fitted know about the potential insurance concern?
What I have explained is the situation here in Switzerland and also in Germany, probably the two countries most anal about this kind of stuff.A lot has changed in the UK since Brexit, if you really want to know, more infos can be found here:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vehicle-type-approval-...
As a youngster I didn't care too much for this kind of pedantry, if the MFK (TÜV/MOT) tester didn't notice, it made it legal in my eyes. Of course this is not the case. Having become more grey haired and having a family and children, made me rethink certain aspects. If you'd really get into troubles, like being involved in an accident, your car gets scrutinised thoroughly and it doesn't matter what a friendly MFK (TÜV/MOT) has seen or not seen (or even declared an ok modification, whilst it is not).
Not worth running potentially into major debts for life, because your insurance regressed on you personally for crashing your car with no type approval into a bus full of people.
Again, not wanting to spoil this for anyone and I love these headlights, just a shame they don't get them ECE approved (only saying they are not based on what I read here on the forum, if they in fact are, I love to stand corrected!)....
On a similar note, I run not approved Top Gear catalysts on my 997. Since they are not a safety item, I'm not worried too much. But I do know that in Germany I could potentially have my car impounded.... Very low risk in the real world, but not impossible either.
Lots of stories on the internet, especially with altered cars from the UK.
Filibuster said:
What I have explained is the situation here in Switzerland and also in Germany, probably the two countries most anal about this kind of stuff.
A lot has changed in the UK since Brexit, if you really want to know, more infos can be found here:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vehicle-type-approval-...
As a youngster I didn't care too much for this kind of pedantry, if the MFK (TÜV/MOT) tester didn't notice, it made it legal in my eyes. Of course this is not the case. Having become more grey haired and having a family and children, made me rethink certain aspects. If you'd really get into troubles, like being involved in an accident, your car gets scrutinised thoroughly and it doesn't matter what a friendly MFK (TÜV/MOT) has seen or not seen (or even declared an ok modification, whilst it is not).
Not worth running potentially into major debts for life, because your insurance regressed on you personally for crashing your car with no type approval into a bus full of people.
Again, not wanting to spoil this for anyone and I love these headlights, just a shame they don't get them ECE approved (only saying they are not based on what I read here on the forum, if they in fact are, I love to stand corrected!)....
On a similar note, I run not approved Top Gear catalysts on my 997. Since they are not a safety item, I'm not worried too much. But I do know that in Germany I could potentially have my car impounded.... Very low risk in the real world, but not impossible either.
Lots of stories on the internet, especially with altered cars from the UK.
No offence but I don't think many people care. If they did, vendors wouldn't sell a single light. A lot has changed in the UK since Brexit, if you really want to know, more infos can be found here:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vehicle-type-approval-...
As a youngster I didn't care too much for this kind of pedantry, if the MFK (TÜV/MOT) tester didn't notice, it made it legal in my eyes. Of course this is not the case. Having become more grey haired and having a family and children, made me rethink certain aspects. If you'd really get into troubles, like being involved in an accident, your car gets scrutinised thoroughly and it doesn't matter what a friendly MFK (TÜV/MOT) has seen or not seen (or even declared an ok modification, whilst it is not).
Not worth running potentially into major debts for life, because your insurance regressed on you personally for crashing your car with no type approval into a bus full of people.
Again, not wanting to spoil this for anyone and I love these headlights, just a shame they don't get them ECE approved (only saying they are not based on what I read here on the forum, if they in fact are, I love to stand corrected!)....
On a similar note, I run not approved Top Gear catalysts on my 997. Since they are not a safety item, I'm not worried too much. But I do know that in Germany I could potentially have my car impounded.... Very low risk in the real world, but not impossible either.
Lots of stories on the internet, especially with altered cars from the UK.
They don't blind anyone? Check, they light the road within the parameters of an mot? Check. Job done.
Glass impact during physical contact with a pedestrian is the least of someone's worry if you're unlucky enough to be struck by a pre-90's car.
Has there ever been a case you can point to that police jailed someone over the letter E not being stamped on a headlight? Or that insurers didn't pay out?
Enjoy your car and weekend, life's short and there's many other things to worry about.
Mumsn3t said:
No offence but I don't think many people care. If they did, vendors wouldn't sell a single light.
They don't blind anyone? Check, they light the road within the parameters of an mot? Check. Job done.
Glass impact during physical contact with a pedestrian is the least of someone's worry if you're unlucky enough to be struck by a pre-90's car.
Has there ever been a case you can point to that police jailed someone over the letter E not being stamped on a headlight? Or that insurers didn't pay out?
Enjoy your car and weekend, life's short and there's many other things to worry about.
Again, not wanting to spoil it for anyone and I explained how the police in Switzerland and Germany handle things.They don't blind anyone? Check, they light the road within the parameters of an mot? Check. Job done.
Glass impact during physical contact with a pedestrian is the least of someone's worry if you're unlucky enough to be struck by a pre-90's car.
Has there ever been a case you can point to that police jailed someone over the letter E not being stamped on a headlight? Or that insurers didn't pay out?
Enjoy your car and weekend, life's short and there's many other things to worry about.
As you say, as long as you don’t blind anyone, personally I don’t care.
Also TÜV and MFK differ in that they are control institutions run by the government. They tend to notice stuff like this. Most people switch parts like these back to the oem stuff when they have their TÜV/MFK appointment.
As for the police throwing you in jail, no of course not, but having your car immobilised and you getting a hefty fine, yes, this happens a lot here in Switzerland and in Germany too. Lots of documentaries on YT, reports in forums and newspaper articles. Instances where the insurance either didn’t pay out or regressed are also widespread.
I’m definitely all for enjoying our cars and not worry about these things, this is why it saddens me when good products are not type approved, even tough they would meet all the requirements. Nowadays I would gladly pay a little more and need not to worry.
Filibuster said:
Again, not wanting to spoil it for anyone and I explained how the police in Switzerland and Germany handle things.
As you say, as long as you don’t blind anyone, personally I don’t care.
Also TÜV and MFK differ in that they are control institutions run by the government. They tend to notice stuff like this. Most people switch parts like these back to the oem stuff when they have their TÜV/MFK appointment.
As for the police throwing you in jail, no of course not, but having your car immobilised and you getting a hefty fine, yes, this happens a lot here in Switzerland and in Germany too. Lots of documentaries on YT, reports in forums and newspaper articles. Instances where the insurance either didn’t pay out or regressed are also widespread.
I’m definitely all for enjoying our cars and not worry about these things, this is why it saddens me when good products are not type approved, even tough they would meet all the requirements. Nowadays I would gladly pay a little more and need not to worry.
Fair enough, big fines and losing your car for a while isn't ideal. As you say, as long as you don’t blind anyone, personally I don’t care.
Also TÜV and MFK differ in that they are control institutions run by the government. They tend to notice stuff like this. Most people switch parts like these back to the oem stuff when they have their TÜV/MFK appointment.
As for the police throwing you in jail, no of course not, but having your car immobilised and you getting a hefty fine, yes, this happens a lot here in Switzerland and in Germany too. Lots of documentaries on YT, reports in forums and newspaper articles. Instances where the insurance either didn’t pay out or regressed are also widespread.
I’m definitely all for enjoying our cars and not worry about these things, this is why it saddens me when good products are not type approved, even tough they would meet all the requirements. Nowadays I would gladly pay a little more and need not to worry.
Governance takes money/time and knowhow, when you're concentrating on getting stuff out the door, its the last thing you're thinking about. All hits the thin bottom line
Singer for sale
https://canepa.com/photo-gallery/singer-quotreimag...
Interestingly it lists out the price for the options/build. Quite interesting to see that level of detail to a listing.
https://canepa.com/photo-gallery/singer-quotreimag...
Interestingly it lists out the price for the options/build. Quite interesting to see that level of detail to a listing.
julian987R said:
Singer for sale
https://canepa.com/photo-gallery/singer-quotreimag...
Interestingly it lists out the price for the options/build. Quite interesting to see that level of detail to a listing.
That's an incredible level of detail. Gorgeous, I'd have mine in forest green with a light gold wheel centre. Complimented by a chocolate leather interior. You see where the money is spent. https://canepa.com/photo-gallery/singer-quotreimag...
Interestingly it lists out the price for the options/build. Quite interesting to see that level of detail to a listing.
marine boy said:
For sale so soon?
Yeah it’s on collecting cars… Have a wedding/honeymoon this year and we are also building a house so the reality is unfortunately I cant justify keeping it. The cost of building materials is eye watering and that has to take priority, it’s our forever home so don’t want to do it on the cheap!!!Gassing Station | Porsche Classics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff