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Eyes wide open entering this market, plenty of so called Specialists who will be ready to fleece you at any opportunity. I've had experiences both good and bad, mostly bad over 15 years, but the 'good' make up for it.
The sheer frustrations and expense you will be exposed to is unparalleled if picking a wrong 'un, so due diligence is required.
There is nothing on the planet as glorious as a sorted aircooled 911, the pain is worth it.
The sheer frustrations and expense you will be exposed to is unparalleled if picking a wrong 'un, so due diligence is required.
There is nothing on the planet as glorious as a sorted aircooled 911, the pain is worth it.
Robbo66 said:
Eyes wide open entering this market, plenty of so called Specialists who will be ready to fleece you at any opportunity. I've had experiences both good and bad, mostly bad over 15 years, but the 'good' make up for it.
The sheer frustrations and expense you will be exposed to is unparalleled if picking a wrong 'un, so due diligence is required.
There is nothing on the planet as glorious as a sorted aircooled 911, the pain is worth it.
My thoughts exactly. The wrong car and builder can add unnecessary expense to an already expensive and difficult process. But if the right base car is picked and the right ingredients are selected, theres little like it in the motoring world.The sheer frustrations and expense you will be exposed to is unparalleled if picking a wrong 'un, so due diligence is required.
There is nothing on the planet as glorious as a sorted aircooled 911, the pain is worth it.
LeakUpTest said:
My thoughts exactly. The wrong car and builder can add unnecessary expense to an already expensive and difficult process. But if the right base car is picked and the right ingredients are selected, theres little like it in the motoring world.
I asked my specialist builder to help me source the donor vehicle and we found a pristine car with a rebuilt engine and absolutely no rot. Yes, 222K miles on the clock but perfect for a retromod project. If you intend to strip out the car why buy a beauty? Mine was white with brown interior and had cabin heating issues, that was all.
At the end of the day, most retromod items are purchased from the same company for the same cost to the builder so Billy Big b
ks with a £200K car will have many components my £60K car had. Spend whatever you want to build your dream car but seriously, it does not have to cost the earth.....
julian987R said:
Spare us please.Yellow491 said:
julian987R said:
Spare us please.KIPSTER said:
LeakUpTest said:
My thoughts exactly. The wrong car and builder can add unnecessary expense to an already expensive and difficult process. But if the right base car is picked and the right ingredients are selected, theres little like it in the motoring world.
I asked my specialist builder to help me source the donor vehicle and we found a pristine car with a rebuilt engine and absolutely no rot. Yes, 222K miles on the clock but perfect for a retromod project. If you intend to strip out the car why buy a beauty? Mine was white with brown interior and had cabin heating issues, that was all.
At the end of the day, most retromod items are purchased from the same company for the same cost to the builder so Billy Big b
ks with a £200K car will have many components my £60K car had. Spend whatever you want to build your dream car but seriously, it does not have to cost the earth.....
Edited by julian987R on Thursday 27th January 22:40
julian987R said:
Nice car, perhaps a bit pricy for a modded LHD ? and a few items need addressing - such as it grounding out (or it could have been the wheels catching the arches)..to paint or not..... and if yes, what colour ?
Slight yellow staining (such as around the edges of the door), perhaps these were painted at some point in the 45-year history of the car.
The car can be seen in this video, apologies for the portrait format, at least no annoying human
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMYL8NgpInI
The more I see of these the more I am convinced that all you need is any car from the 70s with a nice solid body and mildly upgrade the engine, tidy up the gearbox, electrics and suspension and job done. They look fantastic as standard and the look can be enhanced just by tweaking the stance. You'll get a lot of notice with these things and the ones with a minimum amount of exterior tweaks will always stand the test of time. A full on resto with bells and whistles doesn't look good value to me unless you plan to be buried in it.
Wilmslowboy said:
..to paint or not..... and if yes, what colour ?
Slight yellow staining (such as around the edges of the door), perhaps these were painted at some point in the 45-year history of the car.
The car can be seen in this video, apologies for the portrait format, at least no annoying human
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMYL8NgpInI
....keep it white. Change the wheels, Add some decals. Bring some chrome bits into play. enhance the side lights. Add a duck tail. Louvred rear side windows. Slight yellow staining (such as around the edges of the door), perhaps these were painted at some point in the 45-year history of the car.
The car can be seen in this video, apologies for the portrait format, at least no annoying human
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMYL8NgpInI
I would use the money on improving upon the white and what you have rather than a respray and spend more on the interior trim - the seats look like used pyjamas. Add the PCCM+ Classic radio for the air cooled. Do up the dash and trim with some nice stitched leather.
julian987R said:
Yep, don’t they all buy Stuggart Classica parts, even Singer too. No matter what, they all have the same parts pretty much.
I have to be careful what I say, but if you read back some of my responses, you'll see the issue I highlighted with suppliers, costs and quality. Edited by julian987R on Thursday 27th January 22:40
Prestonese said:
The more I see of these the more I am convinced that all you need is any car from the 70s with a nice solid body and mildly upgrade the engine, tidy up the gearbox, electrics and suspension and job done. They look fantastic as standard and the look can be enhanced just by tweaking the stance. You'll get a lot of notice with these things and the ones with a minimum amount of exterior tweaks will always stand the test of time. A full on resto with bells and whistles doesn't look good value to me unless you plan to be buried in it.
I agree the simpler the better but even that won't be cheap. Give it ago on paper if you have time. Select the bits from the few suppliers there are, add the car, add the tweaks, add the inevitable repairs, geo, suspension, wheels, exhaust etc and you'll be surprised. julian987R said:
....keep it white. Change the wheels, Add some decals. Bring some chrome bits into play. enhance the side lights. Add a duck tail. Louvred rear side windows.
I would use the money on improving upon the white and what you have rather than a respray and spend more on the interior trim - the seats look like used pyjamas. Add the PCCM+ Classic radio for the air cooled. Do up the dash and trim with some nice stitched leather.
This is what I'm talking about, have you seen the price of the pccm unit alone? That simple description will be very expensive to achieve. Sounds simple and cheap but it's not. Made even more painful by the lack of suppliers/competition. The picture you show is a wide body and the car you describe is a narrow body for starters, so the blend of bits won't make the car look like the picture you posted, it'll be a bit confused I think. Imo of course. I would use the money on improving upon the white and what you have rather than a respray and spend more on the interior trim - the seats look like used pyjamas. Add the PCCM+ Classic radio for the air cooled. Do up the dash and trim with some nice stitched leather.
julian987R said:
....keep it white. Change the wheels, Add some decals. Bring some chrome bits into play. enhance the side lights. Add a duck tail. Louvred rear side windows.
I would use the money on improving upon the white and what you have rather than a respray and spend more on the interior trim - the seats look like used pyjamas. Add the PCCM+ Classic radio for the air cooled. Do up the dash and trim with some nice stitched leather.
That looks great.I would use the money on improving upon the white and what you have rather than a respray and spend more on the interior trim - the seats look like used pyjamas. Add the PCCM+ Classic radio for the air cooled. Do up the dash and trim with some nice stitched leather.
Interestingly it came with some Fuchs, but I felt they were a bit big, the seller also offered me a duck tail and plastic louvred rear quarter windows - but at the time I thought it would be too much.
The Pyjama seats are original 70’s, I have the matching door cards, but fortunately the previous owner had some plain, pocketless RS ones fitted - otherwise it really would be a tartan overload.
Prestonese said:
The more I see of these the more I am convinced that all you need is any car from the 70s with a nice solid body and mildly upgrade the engine, tidy up the gearbox, electrics and suspension and job done. They look fantastic as standard and the look can be enhanced just by tweaking the stance. You'll get a lot of notice with these things and the ones with a minimum amount of exterior tweaks will always stand the test of time. A full on resto with bells and whistles doesn't look good value to me unless you plan to be buried in it.
I couldn’t agree more, my original search criteria was narrow bodied, drives and rides well, with the expensive specialist stuff sorted out, (& a comfortable clean interior).The challenge is a mildly upgraded engine, normally requires a comprehensive rebuild to start with.
I was told the bill for my engine rebuild was £25k alone (rated specialist 2.7, with some RS pistons etc).
It’s now super revy and can happily pull in 5th gear from a crawling pace all the way to over 100 MPH, yet still has sub 200 BHP.
Shame it’s all hidden away.
Wilmslowboy said:
I couldn’t agree more, my original search criteria was narrow bodied, drives and rides well, with the expensive specialist stuff sorted out, (& a comfortable clean interior).
The challenge is a mildly upgraded engine, normally requires a comprehensive rebuild to start with.
I was told the bill for my engine rebuild was £25k alone (rated specialist 2.7, with some RS pistons etc).
It’s now super revy and can happily pull in 5th gear from a crawling pace all the way to over 100 MPH, yet still has sub 200 BHP.
Shame it’s all hidden away.
It's almost a shame to pull oil back in that. Where was it built?The challenge is a mildly upgraded engine, normally requires a comprehensive rebuild to start with.
I was told the bill for my engine rebuild was £25k alone (rated specialist 2.7, with some RS pistons etc).
It’s now super revy and can happily pull in 5th gear from a crawling pace all the way to over 100 MPH, yet still has sub 200 BHP.
Shame it’s all hidden away.
julian987R said:
....keep it white. Change the wheels, Add some decals. Bring some chrome bits into play. enhance the side lights. Add a duck tail. Louvred rear side windows.
I would use the money on improving upon the white and what you have rather than a respray and spend more on the interior trim - the seats look like used pyjamas. Add the PCCM+ Classic radio for the air cooled. Do up the dash and trim with some nice stitched leather.
That’s stunning , would have cost a pretty penny to put together I’d have thought I would use the money on improving upon the white and what you have rather than a respray and spend more on the interior trim - the seats look like used pyjamas. Add the PCCM+ Classic radio for the air cooled. Do up the dash and trim with some nice stitched leather.
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