Resto/Mod Backdating costs...

[ChrisW.]

Slippydiff said:

Would that be the much older, much rustier, much softer, completely ungalvanised shell ??



“Of cource, if your basis was a 911T - alot more modifications would be needed. much older and softer shell - not to mention rust - its not even galvanized. 930 got that in the late 70s I believe”

I read I think in the Peter Morgan book that floorpans were zinc treated from around '72 but dipping didn't start until 1975 ... ?

https://presskit.porsche.de/specials/en/porsche-1m...

This is worth a read in the opinion of Porsche ... I don't think it's just marketing speak ...

Edited by ChrisW. on Saturday 26th November 11:00

[GTRene]

julian987R said:

Thanks for sharing. That front splitter looks comical.

it is, I guess to stop air getting pressed against that front and wants also glide under the car, to stop it there getting under the car and now pressed sideways, so less lift when good installed.?

[Slippydiff]

ChrisW. said:

I read I think in the Peter Morgan book that floorpans were zinc treated from around '72 but dipping didn't start until 1975 ... ?

https://presskit.porsche.de/specials/en/porsche-1m...

This is worth a read in the opinion of Porsche ... I don't think it's just marketing speak ...

Hi Chris. My long time Porsche restorer was firmly of the opinion that the whole Zinc coated 911 shells, lasting longer stuff was nonsense, partially because the blokes on the production line removed large amounts of it when they used their club hammers to align the various panels, then used a bodyworking file to dress the panels.
I’d have thought the zinc dipping process would have happened after that, but knowing the production methods back then, nothing would surprise me ...

[Filibuster]

julian987R said:

Thanks for sharing. That front splitter looks comical.

Can't believe this is road legal anywhere .... The slightest pedestrian contact would slice their feet clean of ...

[ChrisW.]

Slippydiff said:

ChrisW. said:

I read I think in the Peter Morgan book that floorpans were zinc treated from around '72 but dipping didn't start until 1975 ... ?

https://presskit.porsche.de/specials/en/porsche-1m...

This is worth a read in the opinion of Porsche ... I don't think it's just marketing speak ...

Hi Chris. My long time Porsche restorer was firmly of the opinion that the whole Zinc coated 911 shells, lasting longer stuff was nonsense, partially because the blokes on the production line removed large amounts of it when they used their club hammers to align the various panels, then used a bodyworking file to dress the panels.
I’d have thought the zinc dipping process would have happened after that, but knowing the production methods back then, nothing would surprise me ...

It's certainly the case that any accident damage often left unrepaired damage to protective layers, the zinc dip is sacrificial so it will itself corrode over time, and the PVC underbody coating is notorious for separating and holding water inside the underbody coating, resting in rusting that cannot be seen. Hence the bottom line is all the sensible stuff like under the wheel arch cleaning off of accumulated mud, rinsing off salt before long term storage (it is generally washed off fairly quickly in use) ... and once completely clean and dry a coating of a high temperature wax to vulnerable areas on a pre-emptive basis. I also use this in the engine bay and in areas where I want to preserve originality whilst protecting early stages corrosion.

My preference so far is Wurth Protective Wax in 300ml containers ... it is a 120C clear wax which can be cleaned off as required. Art. 0893 082 027.

[Mumsn3t]

Well, I've seen it all now. If this sells for even half that, I'll eat my pants

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225234171338?mkcid=16&a...

[Mumsn3t]

I've seen this actual car in the flesh, I did wonder if he'd seen mine as its remarkably similar. Albeit mines a widebody 3.2 and no Tracrtiv. That's where I got to see it, at the tractiv stand.
My comments are about price, it is a lovely car just a crazy asking price.

Edited by Mumsn3t on Monday 28th November 13:35

[BrewsterBear]

Here's mine;













I built it to my own spec. Not intending to recreate any model in particular. Just using the parts I liked the look of. No big bubble ST arches. No ridiculously deep Fuchs. I wanted purposeful, but understated class. I'm happy I've achieved what I set out to do.

It's based on a 1982 SC. I had the shell bare metal stripped, prepped and painted by Jeff Day who used to be of Fenn Lane Motorsport. all panels are steel, but what most don't realise is it's not just a case of painting them and throwing them on. Many needed nips, tucks and tweeks to get a good fit and finish. I'm really pleased with it now and it certainly turns heads.

I had a 993 Varioram fitted, mated to a freshly rebuilt 915 with Quaife by Rennspeed in Retford who I've used for years and wouldn't trust anyone else. Wayne at Chipwizards remapped it at 303bhp and it certainly picks up its skirt. Full refresh on suspension using Bilstein Street Sports and a mixture of rubber and poly bushes depending, so not too firm and crashy. Interior was done by SG Styling in Leeds, but no glitzy chrome rings for me. Just nappa leather and good fabric. I used 964 Sports seats with the deeper bolsters. They don't look especially period correct, but they're the comfiest Porsche seats I've ever sat in, inclduing all the way to Germany without any aches or groans.

All in, with the car (bought ten years ago for a song compared to today) it owes me about £100k. I certainly wouldn't let it go for less than that. It took 4 years to complete and I finished it about 3 years ago. I can only imagine that everything including labour has become more expensive since then. So many things add up. For example, the genuine 7&8" Fuchs set me back £1500 and they were bare. I know the chap who sold them to me almost immediately regretted it. Add in a proper refurb with anodising and paint, plus tyres and it's £3k there. Yes you can get replicas and some such as Braid look quite nice. They're never quite right though, to my eyes anyway.

Does it have Singer levels of finish? Of course not, but I built it to drive and I've done that. I'll continue to do that too.

[julian987R]

BrewsterBear said:

Here's mine;

That looks spectacular. Was the original colour black? I ask in this Nick Murray video the tour chap mentions how rare early 911s in black are. It got more common from the 930 era it seems. Yours I love.

https://youtu.be/qDs6f1jLzew?t=597

[BrewsterBear]

Yeah it was black from the factory in 82. I kept the same paint code, not because of any originality but I love black cars. No flake, just a plain black polished up really sets off the curves for me.

[Desert Dragon]

See BB I think thats nicer than the commercial restomods. Lovely.

[Mintbird]

Thats a Lovely restomod.
Aside from the quadruple tailpipes I cant find much to fault

[ChrisW.]

A very nice and usable car ...

[GTRene]

Don't know if posted yet, but this one looks reasonable for the money in the pictures, it even looks like this one has the small grils under the lights straight, most have the front left not good because they bought the wrong fenders/parts, a lot you see of those buy them from the same seller, most on the left front are not straight, not the grill/blinker not the part were it fits in the fender on that side, but this one seems 'good'





https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1527789

[Mumsn3t]

GTRene said:

Don't know if posted yet, but this one looks reasonable for the money in the pictures, it even looks like this one has the small grils under the lights straight, most have the front left not good because they bought the wrong fenders/parts, a lot you see of those buy them from the same seller, most on the left front are not straight, not the grill/blinker not the part were it fits in the fender on that side, but this one seems 'good'





https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1527789

Wrong seats and no engine work so I think the price is about right.

[deadslow]

https://www.thehairpincompany.co.uk/for-sale/cars/...

[GTRene]

deadslow said:

https://www.thehairpincompany.co.uk/for-sale/cars/...

look at the (in picture ) left blinker-thing its not as the right side (picture right) straight.



same on the rear, look at the left part (in picture) of the bumper/light compared to the other side, its not straight.

[Koln-RS]

Really dislike the unnecessary door stickers on both of those.

But, that aside, still don’t get the absurd prices people ask for most of these so called retro/resto/modded/replica/conversion/backdates/whatever…..

Basically, you take an old car - the Oslo blue one for example - a well worn, 38 year old, high mileage, 915 gearbox, 911 - realistically worth, what? - low £20ks, carry out some personalised mods and backdates - who knows what quality? - money clearly saved by painting the Fuchs black (or white) - then ask the price of an immaculate original G50 Carrera, or a nice 991, 718 GTS, etc….

Crazy Surely the anticipated market correction will focus buyers’ attention on realistic values.

[thegreenhell]

deadslow said:

https://www.thehairpincompany.co.uk/for-sale/cars/...

The interior's not to my taste, but otherwise that's a lovely thing.

However:

This wonderful and unique 911 is the culmination of one man's dream to create his perfect Porsche. A serial 911 owner and driver he knew exactly what he wanted and being a designer and architect he knew how to project this dream into reality with perfect clarity.

<snip>

The project eventually reached completion in the middle of 2022, well over 750 man hours later. Following a short snagging programme the owner embarked on a 1,500 mile running in tour taking in Germanys Black Forest.

So all that effort and he drove it on one trip before selling it. Was he just interested in the design and build process, or did it not live up to expectations?

[phib]

The problem with selling restomods is that you have to find someone that likes exactly the same as you.

Which from experience is hard to do having sold my two resto mods recently.

What on paper should have been £80-£120k … and compared to others on sale.

The reality can be different when you actually want to sell them just not advertise them !

Some of the ones have been on the market for a very very long time.

Just my 2p worth !

Phib