Prospective New 430 owner
Discussion
430 is a great car, with alot of character, but I always like to trow in a curveball..
If you're thinkiing of getting a Ferrari at 430 prices, also consider finding a good, LHD Challenge Stradale.
It is just as well built, arguably better looking, without question sounds way better and costs more or less the same to run
However, if costs are a concern, throw in the biggest cost in motoring, depreciation....
A £90K 430 will be worth half that in 4 years
A 90K Challenge Stradale will likely be worth double in 4 years
If you're thinkiing of getting a Ferrari at 430 prices, also consider finding a good, LHD Challenge Stradale.
It is just as well built, arguably better looking, without question sounds way better and costs more or less the same to run
However, if costs are a concern, throw in the biggest cost in motoring, depreciation....
A £90K 430 will be worth half that in 4 years
A 90K Challenge Stradale will likely be worth double in 4 years
Edited by SteelySteve on Wednesday 18th December 22:51
Knowing what I know now I would take a Gallardo over at F430 but then some say I'm biased.
2009 onwards LP's are a big price hike over regular Gallardo but you could get a post 2006 for similar money to f430.
Italian Flair and excitement but more importantly German build quality and reliability.
Also a far bigger head turner.
I've been Ferrari through and through, (still got a F355 GTS Manual keeper) but I'm rapidly becoming a Lamborghini convert. The Ferrari plays 2nd fiddle when it comes to looks and sound which for me is a big part of the special occasion experience
2009 onwards LP's are a big price hike over regular Gallardo but you could get a post 2006 for similar money to f430.
Italian Flair and excitement but more importantly German build quality and reliability.
Also a far bigger head turner.
I've been Ferrari through and through, (still got a F355 GTS Manual keeper) but I'm rapidly becoming a Lamborghini convert. The Ferrari plays 2nd fiddle when it comes to looks and sound which for me is a big part of the special occasion experience
GRBF430F1 said:
I've been Ferrari through and through, (still got a F355 GTS Manual keeper) but I'm rapidly becoming a Lamborghini convert. The Ferrari plays 2nd fiddle when it comes to looks and sound which for me is a big part of the special occasion experience
Have you had a more modern Ferrari? Tecnically the 355 is an upgrade of the 348 made in 1989?Gallardo was built to compete with the 360, which was facelifted to become the 430.
GRBF430F1 said:
Knowing what I know now I would take a Gallardo over at F430 but then some say I'm biased.
2009 onwards LP's are a big price hike over regular Gallardo but you could get a post 2006 for similar money to f430.
Italian Flair and excitement but more importantly German build quality and reliability.
Also a far bigger head turner.
I've been Ferrari through and through, (still got a F355 GTS Manual keeper) but I'm rapidly becoming a Lamborghini convert. The Ferrari plays 2nd fiddle when it comes to looks and sound which for me is a big part of the special occasion experience
Personally I felt the F430 drove much better than the gallardo. But I'd still gladly own a Gallardo in the future as it's a fun car!2009 onwards LP's are a big price hike over regular Gallardo but you could get a post 2006 for similar money to f430.
Italian Flair and excitement but more importantly German build quality and reliability.
Also a far bigger head turner.
I've been Ferrari through and through, (still got a F355 GTS Manual keeper) but I'm rapidly becoming a Lamborghini convert. The Ferrari plays 2nd fiddle when it comes to looks and sound which for me is a big part of the special occasion experience
355 though? One of the best sounding Ferrari V8s with the right exhaust I think?
SteelySteve said:
Have you had a more modern Ferrari? Tecnically the 355 is an upgrade of the 348 made in 1989?
Gallardo was built to compete with the 360, which was facelifted to become the 430.
The clue is in my id. Yes I had a fantastic high spec low miles 2009 F430F1 spider for 2 years until the end of October 2013 when I traded it to Meridien who sold it within 2 weeks for £95k.Gallardo was built to compete with the 360, which was facelifted to become the 430.
Lovely car, drove really well and thoroughly enjoyed it and would recommend it to anyone.
If I'm being hyper critical because I'm so anal about my cars being 100% right my only criticism is build quality which is not up there with the germans. Stupid minor things would bug me like little rattles, peeling black paint in door panels, front suspension too high etc.... Thing is I spent a fortune on getting the car absolutely spot on and then sold it for the next owner to bag a bargain. Not surprised Meridien sold it so quickly and TBH I expected them to put it up for £99,995
TB303 said:
Personally I felt the F430 drove much better than the gallardo. But I'd still gladly own a Gallardo in the future as it's a fun car!
355 though? One of the best sounding Ferrari V8s with the right exhaust I think?
The F355 is beautiful. Rosso / Crema Manual GTS with a Capristo exhaust is epic and will never be sold.355 though? One of the best sounding Ferrari V8s with the right exhaust I think?
I thought it was the best sounding car ever until I got the LP570-4 Performante.
The stock F430 sounds pretty good but I did contemplate a full Capristo 200 cell cats, manifold and muffler system but at £9,500 plus fitting I knew I would never get my money back.
The Gallardo really is a FUN car and that was the main reason I bought it in preference to 458 and McLaren.
Even early ones look so much more than £60k worth of car. Its a true supercar and future classic
GRBF430F1 said:
The F355 is beautiful. Rosso / Crema Manual GTS with a Capristo exhaust is epic and will never be sold.
I thought it was the best sounding car ever until I got the LP570-4 Performante.
The stock F430 sounds pretty good but I did contemplate a full Capristo 200 cell cats, manifold and muffler system but at £9,500 plus fitting I knew I would never get my money back.
The Gallardo really is a FUN car and that was the main reason I bought it in preference to 458 and McLaren.
Even early ones look so much more than £60k worth of car. Its a true supercar and future classic
its a shame they don't look good on the inside! when I tested a Gallardo all I could see were the original Audi A3 heater controls and stereo starring back at me! Plus the fact I couldn't fit didn't really help I thought it was the best sounding car ever until I got the LP570-4 Performante.
The stock F430 sounds pretty good but I did contemplate a full Capristo 200 cell cats, manifold and muffler system but at £9,500 plus fitting I knew I would never get my money back.
The Gallardo really is a FUN car and that was the main reason I bought it in preference to 458 and McLaren.
Even early ones look so much more than £60k worth of car. Its a true supercar and future classic
GP
slippery said:
GRBF430F1, Would you say the Gallardo is screwed together as well as an R8?
The R8 has never appealed to me. I'm sure it is a great car but being kind its not as pretty as a Gallardo and doesn't have the badge appeal when it comes to supercar status.As such I've not really crawled all over a R8.
The ones I've seen and been in have been very good but I can't imagine how they would be any better than the Lambo which I have crawled all over now.
So in answer to your question I would say the Lambo is to a german audi standard for sure, well at least my 2012 LP version is. Very early ones probably don't have the same degree of german influence but 2006 seem to be good, 2008 better and 2009 LP models spot on.
Small details like the Y LED's driving lights and rear tail lights, glass rear window, front axle lift,proper air con and heating, reversing camera etc ..... set the Lamborghini up and above the Ferrari
Everything works like it should with german efficiency which I couldn't always say about the F430.
F430 lights would mist up at times, air con was weak and heating almost non existing. I kind of accept that sort of thing on the F355 but I couldn't on the F430 which was 12 years newer. None of that stuff is critical and I'm sure a lot of less anal people wouldn't even notice it but for me its not what you expect from a £120k car
gcpeters said:
its a shame they don't look good on the inside! when I tested a Gallardo all I could see were the original Audi A3 heater controls and stereo starring back at me! Plus the fact I couldn't fit didn't really help
GP
That's the downside of being tall and good looking but not a problem for me. GP
I know what you mean about the inside feeling a little dated but in the motor industry Audi is well renowned for making the best interiors.
More importantly to me is that they work properly like they should do which is something I couldn't say about the F430. Air con and heating was poor, stereo sat nav was single din with no map displays etc...
Having traded up to the LP570-4 has only highlighted all of the shortcomings of the F430 which I loved. I knew they were there but lived with them as it was a Ferrari supercar but in hindsight that doesn't make it right and has given me a different view of the whole Ferrari brand.
I've always been a big Ferrari fan but the Lambo experience thus far makes me feel it is the more exclusive and better car rather than all marketing/brand. I'm rapidly becoming a convert and find myself spreading the gospel of the bull
As a current owner of a 06 430 Spider for the last four years a couple of points I'd like to add:
Servicing once per year, regardless of miles (not every 6k). Major services are done as per book, mileage related and not every 3 years which Maranello Surey told me.
As for depreciation I bought mine for £90,500 with 3k miles on it 4 years ago and is worth around £75k now with 13k miles and in A1 perfect condition.
Servicing once per year, regardless of miles (not every 6k). Major services are done as per book, mileage related and not every 3 years which Maranello Surey told me.
As for depreciation I bought mine for £90,500 with 3k miles on it 4 years ago and is worth around £75k now with 13k miles and in A1 perfect condition.
SussexCaz said:
I am tempted with a Gallardo - but i'm not quite that sure , are they more expensive to run than a f430 ?
I could stretch to an 07 one....
I lusted for a F430 for ages. Drove a few, travelled the country looking for the right one. Always loved the G but they were a bit more money and the running costs sounded scary. Everytime I test drove a F430 I kept thinking I should at least drive a G as well. So I did. Anyway, long story short I now have a 08 G Spyder in black sitting in the garage. Drove past a F430 not so long ago and for the first time I thought 'nice car' rather than 'I want one'. As he gave me the PH nod of approval I though to myself, I'm very happy sitting here in my G. Haven't really had it long enough to comment on running costs but build quality, finish and noise seemed to be better than the F430. Plus (and most important to me) I have a stupid grin on my face everytime I go out. The F430 made me smile but just didn't give me the same buzz that the Lambo does. But yes, I went over budget by 10k.I could stretch to an 07 one....
SussexCaz said:
I am tempted with a Gallardo - but i'm not quite that sure , are they more expensive to run than a f430 ?
I could stretch to an 07 one....
A little more expensive in terms of routine servicing but not horrendous. Consumables like tyres will probably be the same in price and regularity. Petrol will be slightly more circa 3-4 mpg.I could stretch to an 07 one....
The scare stories of horrendous bills probably relate to a very odd vehicle.
As build quality and reliability is german engineering I would be slightly less worried about a big bill on a lambo than a Ferrari TBH.
07 models are a big improvement on 04/05 so I wouldn't be concerned in the slightest.
Pioneer said:
I lusted for a F430 for ages. Drove a few, travelled the country looking for the right one. Always loved the G but they were a bit more money and the running costs sounded scary. Everytime I test drove a F430 I kept thinking I should at least drive a G as well. So I did. Anyway, long story short I now have a 08 G Spyder in black sitting in the garage. Drove past a F430 not so long ago and for the first time I thought 'nice car' rather than 'I want one'. As he gave me the PH nod of approval I though to myself, I'm very happy sitting here in my G. Haven't really had it long enough to comment on running costs but build quality, finish and noise seemed to be better than the F430. Plus (and most important to me) I have a stupid grin on my face everytime I go out. The F430 made me smile but just didn't give me the same buzz that the Lambo does. But yes, I went over budget by 10k.
Agree the Gallardo makes the F430 look a bit ordinary in comparison. Its so wild and just makes me giggle every time I look at it. The noise it makes on 2nd gear downshifts are outrageous.
The Gallardo really is a FUN car
GRBF430F1 said:
Small details like the Y LED's driving lights and rear tail lights, glass rear window, front axle lift,proper air con and heating, reversing camera etc ..... set the Lamborghini up and above the Ferrari
Everything works like it should with german efficiency which I couldn't always say about the F430.
F430 lights would mist up at times, air con was weak and heating almost non existing. I kind of accept that sort of thing on the F355 but I couldn't on the F430 which was 12 years newer. None of that stuff is critical and I'm sure a lot of less anal people wouldn't even notice it but for me its not what you expect from a £120k car
petrolpat said:
Hmmm strange, the heater and air con on my 05 F430 work a treat
You must be the lucky one then. I've never had a Ferrari where these basic things work effectively. My 2009 F430 spider was better the F355 GTS but even so it was woefully weak. The coldest setting was never really cold and the hot setting would only be warm in the air con mode. The Ferrari dealer told me they are all like that, its a Ferrari what do you expect Its all about the engine and drive lolIt was all checked out and re-gassed etc but compared to the Gallardo/audi equivalent it was pants.
The G system goes lower/colder and higher/hotter, its dual zone and the heater works without the air con being on. I think its the ruthless efficiency of German engineering
Not that its the be all and end all so I just lived with it as I was driving a Ferrari but it is pretty poor on reflection for an expensive supercar and why I'm gradually converting from a born Ferrari fan to Lamborghini.
With Lambo you get the best of both worlds - Italian Flair and German engineering. As a fussy/anal owner this seems to be a better blend for me but not that I'm going to part with the F355GTS in my lifetime
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