What's a reshelled 360CS worth?

What's a reshelled 360CS worth?

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Mousem40

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1,667 posts

218 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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I've been offered by a friend a 15k mile Rosso Corsa/black 2004 CS that's been reshelled around 2005 by Ferrari. Apart from that, the history is apparently great and so is the condition. I haven't seen it yet.

So my question is what would an equivalent non-reshelled car be worth, and what impact would this have had on it both price wise and market liquidity wise?

Thanks

kenyon

1,269 posts

258 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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I would say around £130-145k, keep it for a good 15-20 years as a investment as they heading f40 money by then and no would worry if it's been reshelled or not as it will be a true classic icon. The thing money rare cars that you see at the lemans classic have been some accident or had damage and does not reflect their worth. Remember the rhd where very limited compare lhd.

AmoCS

1,150 posts

220 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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Does it have a Cat status against it?
If something breaks and its repaired by Ferrari, it should not affect the residuals.
Seen plenty of f40's damaged/repaired, doesn't affect the price.

Look at the gasmonkey f40.

johnnyreggae

2,944 posts

161 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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There will always be a market for driveable cars and over time as Kenyon notes the mileage and reshell will matter less BUT you need to be sure who did the work as it was 99% sure not the Ferrari factory - maybe a dealer maybe a specialist maybe whoever

rubystone

11,254 posts

260 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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Why was it re shelled?

If it was in an accident, it will be recorded somewhere.

It's correct that racing cars that have been reshelled are less impacted by that fact, especially if done in period, but again, they are worth less than those still bearing their original shell.

So if it's a road car then think about it like this 'would I be confident paying 80% of the value of an undamaged car for a car that has been crashed hard enough to require a new (?) body'

Mousem40

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1,667 posts

218 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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Thanks everyone for all the input.
I was told it hasn't been categorised and the work was done by Ferrari. Johnny you don't think
It's likely to have been done by them?

After the accident (not sure what happened) it went through the dealer network for sale at some stage so they would have approved the work (an assumption I guess)

So would you say a no history car was what £220k, and this 20-30% less?

Edit: Just to add, I'm not keeping it for 10-15 years. I'm buying it to use it and probably sell in say 3-5 years time. I'm not looking for an investment, just want to make sure I'm paying the right price and I can sell it without much difficulty.

Edited by Mousem40 on Saturday 18th April 11:33

rubystone

11,254 posts

260 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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It's the sort of car I'd buy. But only at a price that reflects the fact it has been reshelled. I cannot work out why it isn't recorded, unless it didn't go through the insurance.

A friend bought a 550 some years ago. He offered it for sale to a dealer who told him it had been in an accident, unrecorded and repaired in the Ferrari network . From memory they wouldn't buy the car because of that history.

If you wanted to test the theory that the network wouldn't buy the car, you could call up a dealer, offer them the car without telling them it had been repaired and see what they'd say...

kenyon

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258 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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£105k

Mousem40

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218 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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kenyon said:
£105k
You've dropped your bid by £25-40k in one day!
By next week I'll be paying you to take it off my hands? smile


roygarth

2,674 posts

249 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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Mousem40 said:
I'm not looking for an investment, just want to make sure I'm paying the right price and I can sell it without much difficulty.

Edited by Mousem40 on Saturday 18th April 11:33
Basically you'll buy it for less, sell it for less and may have a real problem selling it.

Whats the point? The only reason I can see for doing this is if you are desperate to own a particular model and your budget can't get you a non-reshelled example.

For the sort of money being discussed you could buy a LHD Scuderia.

kenyon

1,269 posts

258 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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Mousem40 said:
kenyon said:
£105k
You've dropped your bid by £25-40k in one day!
By next week I'll be paying you to take it off my hands? smile
Only dropped the price because you have said it's not an investment for you and you want to run the car as normal

Mousem40

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218 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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I took your advice Rubystone and called a few dealers. They weren't interested in showing me a bid. For them it would be hard to shift even at 25/30% off and would only be seen as a track car with little chance of upside.

A LHD scud is a much better proposition indeed.
Thanks for the help.


roygarth

2,674 posts

249 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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interestingly I've just been to see a friends recently purchased 2.7RS. He had been to see a different 2.7RS but didn't buy it when he realised it was a re-shell. The only reason I mention it is that it would appear that the re-shell factor effects a cars marketability and value forever!

rubystone

11,254 posts

260 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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roygarth said:
interestingly I've just been to see a friends recently purchased 2.7RS. He had been to see a different 2.7RS but didn't buy it when he realised it was a re-shell. The only reason I mention it is that it would appear that the re-shell factor effects a cars marketability and value forever!
The RS enjoyed a healthy racing life for 20 years. As a result, quite a few have been reshelled and re-engined. So the provenance on them has to be spot-on. Hence the spread on prices.

On the CS, I would be interested in buying it at a price, or doing a deal on other car/s if he wants to trade...which might work better for both of us...do invite him to PM me....and if you want an lhd Scuderia, I have a reliable contact to source these from continental Ferrari main dealers too, if that helps.

Mousem40

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Monday 20th April 2015
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Hi Rubystone - thanks, I'll PM you now

GregorFuk

563 posts

201 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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rubystone said:
It's the sort of car I'd buy. But only at a price that reflects the fact it has been reshelled. I cannot work out why it isn't recorded, unless it didn't go through the insurance.
If it's been smacked on the track then it may go unrecorded. I don't think track insurance works the same way as road policies.

430scuderia1

454 posts

219 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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GregorFuk said:
rubystone said:
It's the sort of car I'd buy. But only at a price that reflects the fact it has been reshelled. I cannot work out why it isn't recorded, unless it didn't go through the insurance.
If it's been smacked on the track then it may go unrecorded. I don't think track insurance works the same way as road policies.
Even if you get paid up in full the insurance companies won't necessarily categorise the car. Its worth more for them not to do this…..

rubystone

11,254 posts

260 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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GregorFuk said:
If it's been smacked on the track then it may go unrecorded. I don't think track insurance works the same way as road policies.
I've seen several Gt3RS spanked on track...I bet they were unrecorded...

Mousem40

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218 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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rubystone said:
I've seen several Gt3RS spanked on track...I bet they were unrecorded...
In one infamous example to later be sold through the OPC network as a clean car only for the new owner to come on PH to show his P&J to be faced with pictures of it being previously pancaked on track (and reshelled by Joe Bloggs)

roygarth

2,674 posts

249 months

Tuesday 21st April 2015
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Mousem40 said:
rubystone said:
I've seen several Gt3RS spanked on track...I bet they were unrecorded...
In one infamous example to later be sold through the OPC network as a clean car only for the new owner to come on PH to show his P&J to be faced with pictures of it being previously pancaked on track (and reshelled by Joe Bloggs)
I think there were 2 of these..both 997 in Orange. A friend of mine in Norfolk bought one of them, from a dealer in Lincs. He sold it back to them a few months later not realising it had been re-shelled. Then, completely coincidentally, my brother-in-law in Lincs bought it from the same dealer. He drove around quite happily in it for a few months. One day he stopped in at a prestige car dealer and casually asked what they'd give him for it against an Aston. They put the reg. no. in Google and said 'er, not a lot...do you realise' etc etc.