458 or similar for everyday?

[sealtt]

The good thing with Ferrari is that they are not really going to depreciate that much, so you can put your chips into a 458 and it's going to cost a LOT less in depreciation than say buying a Range + Porsche for the same price. I currently have a 430 spider as my weekend car but just don't use it that much due to 2 seats (me + girlfriend + young kid makes it tricky to use). But it almost doesn't make sense to sell it as it is hardly depreciating.

I'm the same age as you and I feel fine driving in a new RR Vogue SE as a daily driver, if you like any of those daily driver cars they are a great choice. I know what you are saying about being young for them, but to me it's fine, just make sure you pick the right colour & styling options.

I wouldn't want a super car as a daily driver... super car to me is a second car only, I just love luxury for daily driving, a super car would frustrate me. But hey you may like it, just call HR Owen over in west london and ask for a demo for a couple of hours one afternoon and they might be able to help you out. BMW gave me an M6 cabrio for a full 2 days before I bought one in 2013, and Porsche are giving me a 911 for the afternoon tomorrow. So they can definitely do it, though only on new cars not used I think.


And Re SLS, I just saw that price increase. I was looking at them last august, £120k for a very nice spec convertible from Merc, how have they gone up 30%+?!?

[mattf93]

Doppelkupplung said:

mattf93 said:

Doppelkupplung said:

Having gullwing doors does not detract from practically, in fact you don't need as much space to get out but beware low ceilings.

The amg gts, while a brilliant car, is hardly a direct competitor to the 458 so wouldn't satisfy the OP if he's looking for an everyday supercar.

I suggest that you study your figures again, SLS is faster accelerating and higher top speed, plus NA are known to provide effortless cruising.

Eg if he has a tight car parking space at work at home/work its not practical - theyre less practical than a conventional door (don't start talking about some cars having really long doors).

Im just thinking of the car that would be slightly easier to live with, as I mentioned the thing about the boot and is a known issue. I guess a AMG GT(s) is more of a 'super' sports car than an actual super car. Also OP didn't specifically say super car As if he wanted he could buy a 'new' aston martin vanquish.
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/mercedes-sls... < SLS and AMG GTs provide identical 0-62s GT is lighter but down 60 bhp, has same torque as SLS too, theres not much in it as you're making out.

All valid opinions and I respect that was just offering another option That said from a value (wheres GrB/RamboLambo) perspective an SLS will hold better too, but purchase price is quite high now. last year you could pick one up under £100k, now you'll struggle for less than £140k for an SLS.

Your intuition is off. You need less than 30cm to open the door fully and once it's opened it''s much more convenient to egress since the door is above you and not infront!

yes the boot gets warm but it's not going to prepare your steaks medium-well by the time you're home from the supermarket so you can relax.

I certainly was not making out the Sls to be much quicker than the Amg gts, I merely rebuked your false statement... the one you said the amg gts is "much quicker" besides achieving a sub 4 second 0-60 time isn't everyone's priority while on Cromwell road at rush hour. It's so much more than just the numbers.

I'm all for sharing different opinions but don't misinform others.

Perhaps I shouldve stated how much quicker around the top gear track the amg gts was? over 3 seconds quicker than the SLS I think that is probably what I was referring to.

Chances are say in a multi story you won't get that much space though? What about the side sills being higher though? I guess its horses for courses.

The Gts will look newer,but an SLS has more drama and was designed from the outset as AMGs super car rather than a sportscar. In that effect you're right. Im not poo pooing the idea of an SLS, that said I wonder at £140k onwards whether Ill be wanting Ferrari, Mclaren etc.

[mattf93]

sealtt said:

The good thing with Ferrari is that they are not really going to depreciate that much, so you can put your chips into a 458 and it's going to cost a LOT less in depreciation than say buying a Range + Porsche for the same price.

I wouldn't want a super car as a daily driver... super car to me is a second car only, I just love luxury for daily driving, a super car would frustrate me. But hey you may like it, just call HR Owen over in west london and ask for a demo for a couple of hours one afternoon and they might be able to help you out. BMW gave me an M6 cabrio for a full 2 days before I bought one in 2013, and Porsche are giving me a 911 for the afternoon tomorrow. So they can definitely do it, though only on new cars not used I think.

And Re SLS, I just saw that price increase. I was looking at them last august, £120k for a very nice spec convertible from Merc, how have they gone up 30%+?!?

Definitely agree with the not super car for everyday, I think if you have several super cars and you always have a car for the weekend to make you feel special then fair enough but generally in the real world having a 430/458 in traffic they always want to go, be let loose and its unfair () on the car to have it sat in traffic at the time and I'm sure wind you up after a while.

In relation to SLS fairly limited numbers, and the discontinuation of the 6.3 Naturally Aspirated lump will have a big difference on price, also they depreciated too steeply in the first place so I guess clawing some back now. Last time I checked convertibles were at the £160k mark.

[Doppelkupplung]

mattf93 said:

Perhaps I shouldve stated how much quicker around the top gear track the amg gts was? over 3 seconds quicker than the SLS I think that is probably what I was referring to.

Oh yeah because we drive around a made up test track from a defunct motoring show on an airstrip on a daily basis. Very useful in the normal world.

mattf93 said:

Chances are say in a multi story you won't get that much space though? What about the side sills being higher though? I guess its horses for courses.

digging yourself deeper here!

You quite literally haven't got a clue what you're talking about demonstrated by your complete lack of ability to construct any meaningful argument or put forward a valid opinion.

Do you even read other's responses? More importantly, your own posts!?

[Doppelkupplung]

mattf93 said:

Perhaps I shouldve stated how much quicker around the top gear track the amg gts was? over 3 seconds quicker than the SLS I think that is probably what I was referring to.

Oh yeah because we drive around a made up test track from a defunct motoring show on an airstrip on a daily basis. Very useful in the normal world.

mattf93 said:

Chances are say in a multi story you won't get that much space though? What about the side sills being higher though? I guess its horses for courses.

digging yourself deeper here!

You quite literally haven't got a clue what you're talking about demonstrated by your complete lack of ability to construct any meaningful argument or put forward a valid opinion.

Do you even read other's responses? More importantly, your own posts!?

[mattf93]

Doppelkupplung said:

digging yourself deeper here!

You quite literally haven't got a clue what you're talking about demonstrated by your complete lack of ability to construct any meaningful argument or put forward a valid opinion.

Do you even read other's responses? More importantly, your own posts!?

Okie doke, well whatever I say about the doors you're going to counter and say they're fine. So I'll just leave it.

To some who may use their car on occasion on a track it does have some bearing - clearly it has no bearing for you which is fine. Dunsfold Aerodrome is still used for other car events it wasn't just top gear using the tarmac. You can also take from that time that it must in a track confinement perform better than the SLS? These are my opinions.

I was posing about a question about the sills in an SLS being high - you didnt respond?

Do you just think that I'm Sla55ing the SLS off? Im just saying that as a daily drive the GTs is still a choice that could be made - the OP hasn't explicitly said it has to be a super car. However I would think regardless of our thoughts for that kind of money he will want a 'proper' brand rather than just a mercedes

I just don't quite understand the need for the personal remarks? Each to their own, but at least let your responses be constructive rather than 'you don't know st.' If I have said something wrong, correct me with evidence. Then I have no problems or qualms accepting what I've said is wrong etc.

Anyway OP 458/12c/Turbo S are probably your best bets for baby super car daily drivers (although some may argue that the 911 isn't a super car).
Or if you want something a little under the radar Ferrari FFs are just slipping to around the 150 mark.

Edited by mattf93 on Tuesday 5th May 10:52

[rumbled]

Ferrari FF? Early ones are 458 money.... Civilised in town, good sound proofing, goes like a bat out of hell when you want it to

[cashmax]

A 458 is not a practical daily driver in my experience. Here is why -

The low depreciation aspect goes out the window if you are putting on 12K+ per year.

Unwanted attention - everywhere you go, 75MPH on a motorway will get you pulled.

Width - Its a very wide car and most spaces are very tight.

Commuting / work use - for me, turning up anywhere in a car that costs north of £150K had an unwanted effect on people's attitude.

[Slickhillsy]

controlz said:

Do I have space for 2 cars? Yes.. but is it necessary.. I'm not sure. I'm also very young (only 26) and I think a number of those everyday cars you have recommended I may still be a little young for

Edited by controlz on Sunday 3rd May 16:33

Some advice that might help sir.
I was 27 when I bought my first fezza and had the same mindset. Drive the thing everyday and everywhere. I put a huge amount of miles on it and loved it... But then over time the 'fizz' began to ware off and I couldn't work out why. Penny dropped that 'we'd been spending too much time together' so had decided to go buy a daily driver. Even went out and bought something fairly standard (something Audi) and because it wasn't anything that special I'd be gagging to drive the Fez at the weekend / odd drive to work.
Now on my 4th fezza (Scud) and always have a 2 car policy. Run and Audi Allroad so I can throw snowboards / bike racing / camping stuff in the back but look longingly at my weekend beast as I pull out the drive!

Perfect!

[shabster]

Agree with you 100% here. I owned a California for a year and given it's pretty practical ended up using it all the time - to the degree I wasn't using it enough to "just drive", and would even influence where I'd take my kids out for the day. Once you are using it for mundane things it can lose its sparkle a little.

I traded to a 458 Spider recently - and given it's not as practical I am using it less, but when I do use it, it's pure enjoyment. It think it's probably better that way - putting less miles on 458 but each mile is more enjoyable...

I've got an old-ish range rover sport for anything practical and doesn't mind getting dinged/dirty...

Matt

Slickhillsy said:

Some advice that might help sir.
I was 27 when I bought my first fezza and had the same mindset. Drive the thing everyday and everywhere. I put a huge amount of miles on it and loved it... But then over time the 'fizz' began to ware off and I couldn't work out why. Penny dropped that 'we'd been spending too much time together' so had decided to go buy a daily driver. Even went out and bought something fairly standard (something Audi) and because it wasn't anything that special I'd be gagging to drive the Fez at the weekend / odd drive to work.
Now on my 4th fezza (Scud) and always have a 2 car policy. Run and Audi Allroad so I can throw snowboards / bike racing / camping stuff in the back but look longingly at my weekend beast as I pull out the drive!

Perfect!