bored with my 430 spider
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I did it on mine when I had it. It is pretty wonderful at first, I loved it and it did give the car a whole new personality but... After a while I reverted it back because it was just a bit too much all the time. I usually do a couple of Euro trips a year and when I had one due I thought it would probably drive me mental on back to back long runs.
Definitely worth trying but ultimately a decent aftermarket exhaust with a valve switch would be the way to go.
Definitely worth trying but ultimately a decent aftermarket exhaust with a valve switch would be the way to go.
FrankAbagnale said:
Let me know how it goes.
I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts.
Hear my thought you say ???????I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts.
When my ears stop bleeding I will let you know lol
Just removed the vacuum hoses as you described and tied back to the rear panel for now, certainly a noticable difference in the confines of the garage thats for sure.
Going a weekend road trip over to Skye and the famous Applecross route this weekend, hopefully a dry trip with the roof down but will see how the other 3 cars on the trip and of course my wife in the passenger seat react to the increased sound.
As others have said it literally a 2 minute job to remove or refit so no big deal to swap over.
Roll on the weekend
Charlie
Just a couple of minor notes of the valves...
1) Make sure you plug up the ends of the vacuum pipes if you pull them off the valves. Otherwise you run the risk of a CEL as the car cannot keep the vaccum in the tank (it uses the vacuum to control a number of things).
2) You can make a remote control kit for the valves yourself. Instructions are here: http://aldousvoice.com/2014/05/14/ferrari-360-f430...
1) Make sure you plug up the ends of the vacuum pipes if you pull them off the valves. Otherwise you run the risk of a CEL as the car cannot keep the vaccum in the tank (it uses the vacuum to control a number of things).
2) You can make a remote control kit for the valves yourself. Instructions are here: http://aldousvoice.com/2014/05/14/ferrari-360-f430...
Surprisingly entertaining thread, started to read it with a certain amount of trepidation as a new Ferrari owner, more to the point an actual F430 spider owner, retail red, of course and carbon crema sports seats!! people do get bored of things, its natural, I'm hoping that doesn't happen to me with mine as I've waited a all my life to be in a position to own one!
A couple of years ago I had a bit of a midlife crises, passed my bike test(s), purchased a CBR600 RR (warned in no uncertain terms NOT to go for a 1000cc Fireblade for my first bike!!), had some great days out, did the Ron Haslam track day at Donnington Park race circuit, and it was a blast, now the bike sits in the garage, hardly used at all for months, so it happens.
There is a different feeling with a Ferrari though that no other brand can achieve, it's the ultimate in car porn, PERIOD!! if you've started to get bored the general rule of thumb suggests you should simply "get out more!"
only my humble opinion, no offence taken or given ;-)
A couple of years ago I had a bit of a midlife crises, passed my bike test(s), purchased a CBR600 RR (warned in no uncertain terms NOT to go for a 1000cc Fireblade for my first bike!!), had some great days out, did the Ron Haslam track day at Donnington Park race circuit, and it was a blast, now the bike sits in the garage, hardly used at all for months, so it happens.
There is a different feeling with a Ferrari though that no other brand can achieve, it's the ultimate in car porn, PERIOD!! if you've started to get bored the general rule of thumb suggests you should simply "get out more!"
only my humble opinion, no offence taken or given ;-)
After a week or two of having the valves open I think I am going to go back to the "standard" way.
While I do like the increased level of noise, I am not sure I enjoy what I perceive to me a more constant deeper rumble as opposed to the anticipation of the valves opening at 4000 or so revs with what feels like a higher pitched scream.
A bit like eating fillet steak every day, it'd soon lose its appeal. Valves open are too much of a good thing.
While I do like the increased level of noise, I am not sure I enjoy what I perceive to me a more constant deeper rumble as opposed to the anticipation of the valves opening at 4000 or so revs with what feels like a higher pitched scream.
A bit like eating fillet steak every day, it'd soon lose its appeal. Valves open are too much of a good thing.
Often the anticipation of something is better than the reality of ownership. Once you have something and the honeymoon period wears off, you kind of stop bothering with it.
I was like that with the fireblade (too fast to use it properly on real roads), the Ducati (fine on trackdays), both of which could sit in the garage untouched for a year.
With the Maser I find we use it because it is there, but if we didn't have it I wouldn't miss it. However we still enjoy driving it (or at least I do) and the Mrs likes the attention it gets
But the other week I looked at the ex-Silverstone F360s. "Get one if you want one" she said. Then I realised, I didn't want one. I liked the idea of having one, the idea of saying "Ferrari or Maserati today dear?", and I'm sure it would be a fun drive, but at the end of the day I wouldn't feel happy with it sat out in the street, so it would sit in storage for months at a time and I'd have to make the effort to take it out. I'd be the same if I ever bought a Gallardo, far more sensible would be an R8 as I know we would actually use it.
The Maser was a head purchase rather than a heart one, and has turned out to be practical, as reliable as expected, and gets the same positive attention whether it is at a country hotel, Travis Perkins, or Chelson Meadow. There was no point in buying a 2 seater that we couldn't visit my mum and take her shopping in, or something we'd be worried to leave in a supermarket car park, so we picked something that fitted in with our lifestyle rather than getting something that we'd have to make an effort to use. I sold all the bikes a couple of years ago as I had to make time to use them, and there were always other things I wanted/needed to do.
£70k+ is a lot of money to have tied up in something that you don't want to use, whether it is because you don't want to clean it, put miles on it, leave it parked somewhere, or simply can't be bothered.
Find a fun alternative to what you *use* now and get that - whether it be a 612 or FF, Clio V6, Skyline, Bristol, Morgan, whatever floats your boat.
I was like that with the fireblade (too fast to use it properly on real roads), the Ducati (fine on trackdays), both of which could sit in the garage untouched for a year.
With the Maser I find we use it because it is there, but if we didn't have it I wouldn't miss it. However we still enjoy driving it (or at least I do) and the Mrs likes the attention it gets
But the other week I looked at the ex-Silverstone F360s. "Get one if you want one" she said. Then I realised, I didn't want one. I liked the idea of having one, the idea of saying "Ferrari or Maserati today dear?", and I'm sure it would be a fun drive, but at the end of the day I wouldn't feel happy with it sat out in the street, so it would sit in storage for months at a time and I'd have to make the effort to take it out. I'd be the same if I ever bought a Gallardo, far more sensible would be an R8 as I know we would actually use it.
The Maser was a head purchase rather than a heart one, and has turned out to be practical, as reliable as expected, and gets the same positive attention whether it is at a country hotel, Travis Perkins, or Chelson Meadow. There was no point in buying a 2 seater that we couldn't visit my mum and take her shopping in, or something we'd be worried to leave in a supermarket car park, so we picked something that fitted in with our lifestyle rather than getting something that we'd have to make an effort to use. I sold all the bikes a couple of years ago as I had to make time to use them, and there were always other things I wanted/needed to do.
£70k+ is a lot of money to have tied up in something that you don't want to use, whether it is because you don't want to clean it, put miles on it, leave it parked somewhere, or simply can't be bothered.
Find a fun alternative to what you *use* now and get that - whether it be a 612 or FF, Clio V6, Skyline, Bristol, Morgan, whatever floats your boat.
DevonPaul you make some very good points to consider when making these sorts of purchases.
Though for me there is one other consideration.. If you LOVE the car more than anything else on the road, no matter how much effort it is to do, you will probably be bothered to get it out of storage, clean it, etc as you want to drive it!
I think it is easy with cars like Ferrari or Lambo just to THINK you love it because the brand reputation is so insanely high. And so it seems counter intuitive to not love it when everyone else does. But imagine for a second the car was made by Porsche, would you still love it just as much? If not then it might start to get boring as an ownership experience pretty quickly.
I have an F430 Spider and one of the new Range Rover Vogue and as it is me + girlfriend + kid, it is sometimes hard to use the F430. As such I was just looking at getting a California or 991 Cabrio instead of the F430. But you know what, once or twice a month going out in that F430 is just awesome - be it by myself, with a buddy, with my girlfriend or even me and my little girl.
I would love to get a 458 as they are just my favourite car out there, but I'm starting to think it would make more sense to use the money to buy a separate family cabrio in addition to the F430. E.G. Jag XKR / XKR-S cabrio.
Though for me there is one other consideration.. If you LOVE the car more than anything else on the road, no matter how much effort it is to do, you will probably be bothered to get it out of storage, clean it, etc as you want to drive it!
I think it is easy with cars like Ferrari or Lambo just to THINK you love it because the brand reputation is so insanely high. And so it seems counter intuitive to not love it when everyone else does. But imagine for a second the car was made by Porsche, would you still love it just as much? If not then it might start to get boring as an ownership experience pretty quickly.
I have an F430 Spider and one of the new Range Rover Vogue and as it is me + girlfriend + kid, it is sometimes hard to use the F430. As such I was just looking at getting a California or 991 Cabrio instead of the F430. But you know what, once or twice a month going out in that F430 is just awesome - be it by myself, with a buddy, with my girlfriend or even me and my little girl.
I would love to get a 458 as they are just my favourite car out there, but I'm starting to think it would make more sense to use the money to buy a separate family cabrio in addition to the F430. E.G. Jag XKR / XKR-S cabrio.
sealtt said:
I would love to get a 458 as they are just my favourite car out there, but I'm starting to think it would make more sense to use the money to buy a separate family cabrio in addition to the F430. E.G. Jag XKR / XKR-S cabrio.
Assuming your little girl has legs, then the jag might not be much use once she is over 5 years old.Have you thought about a Maserati grancabrio, 4 proper seats an a nice bark when you press the starter.
Paul
|http://thumbsnap.com/9y8QxtuX[/urlDevonPaul said:
Assuming your little girl has legs, then the jag might not be much use once she is over 5 years old.
Have you thought about a Maserati grancabrio, 4 proper seats an a nice bark when you press the starter.
Paul
I have looked at Maserati, no test drive. But wanted to stick to approx £40k max.Have you thought about a Maserati grancabrio, 4 proper seats an a nice bark when you press the starter.
Paul
Our girl is 7, slim but tall, but able to sleep in almost any position so I'm hoping it will be ok with the passenger seat moved forward. Talk of babies and baby seats though is the real potential spanner in the works!
Good reviews, I had the same dilemma, had a Gallardo spider for five and a half years and loved every minute of it and when I sold it I had covered 17.5k miles.Just fancied something a bit more GT and bought a bentley GTC V8.
Outstanding car and very happy with it but for me I just missed that raucous part of driving the lambo, so I scratched my ferrari itch and bought a 458 spider around new year 2015. Havent regretted it one bit, what a weapon.
So now we use the bentley for special occasions and the 458 for.... well anything really.
Good luck with your hunt for a 2nd car.
Outstanding car and very happy with it but for me I just missed that raucous part of driving the lambo, so I scratched my ferrari itch and bought a 458 spider around new year 2015. Havent regretted it one bit, what a weapon.
So now we use the bentley for special occasions and the 458 for.... well anything really.
Good luck with your hunt for a 2nd car.
Jofox said:
I have read all the comments with interest, and having seen some comments on Fchat, and with values all over the place,
I just wondered if Manual 430s have gone up in value in recent months.
I don't know in the UK, but in the rest of Europe that's for sure.I just wondered if Manual 430s have gone up in value in recent months.
More and more difficult to get one... the last manual mid-engine Ferrari.
Glad we bought one, apparently at the right moment
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