430 prices, supply and demand

[PGNCerbera]

Re prices, I was offered 89k for my 430. 9000 miles, F1. Main dealer, no px about 2 weeks ago.

Yes there are quicker cars for the money but the overall package of the F430 is just bloody brilliant. Also glad I didn't get a manual now (apart from the price rising!!)

The F1 seems to suit the car really well.

[allister]

PGNCerbera said:

Re prices, I was offered 89k for my 430. 9000 miles, F1. Main dealer, no px about 2 weeks ago.

Yes there are quicker cars for the money but the overall package of the F430 is just bloody brilliant. Also glad I didn't get a manual now (apart from the price rising!!)

The F1 seems to suit the car really well.

That's reassuring - What year / colour combo do you have?

Coupe / Spider?

[PGNCerbera]

2008 Rosso Crema Spider, Challenge rear grill. Crema hoops, leather parcel shelf. Heated seats, parking sensors etc.

Great car.

Edited by PGNCerbera on Sunday 29th November 22:28

[allister]

Nice spec....

[PGNCerbera]

[ZeroH]

PGNCerbera said:

Re prices, I was offered 89k for my 430. 9000 miles, F1. Main dealer, no px about 2 weeks ago.

Yes there are quicker cars for the money but the overall package of the F430 is just bloody brilliant. Also glad I didn't get a manual now (apart from the price rising!!)

The F1 seems to suit the car really well.

Higher mile 2007 spiders are selling for £15k over that.... a dealer would be marketing that car at £100k absolute minimum.

[red_duke]

You're out of date.

Asking price is now £145,000 for an F430 Spider
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

Or £139,000 if you're on a budget
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

[bordseye]

allister said:

Jeez Bordseye, you must be knocking on a bit!!!

From what I understand the 30mph speed limit was introduced in 1930, if these were your student days, then you must be well in excess of 100 years old!!!

Maybe you should be thinking more mobility scooter than F430

Getting on a bit but not mobility scooter yet. Mind you one reason for getting a 430 is that I am having difficulty getting in and out of my Lotus.

I was of course referring to the glorious days when de-restricted meant de-restricted and not 70/60.

Incidentally if there is anyone on here looking to sell a good 430 I'd be interested in a private deal splitting the dealers mark up. As long as the car isnt a funereal black that it.

[RamboLambo]

red_duke said:

You're out of date.

Asking price is now £145,000 for an F430 Spider
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

Or £139,000 if you're on a budget
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

These prices are laughable. Anyone buying at these levels ought to expect a big hit sometime in the future unless they never drive the thing again even then I reckon they are still massively over priced.

You can get an MP4 12C coupe or even 12C spider at this level and believe me there is no comparison between the 2 cars. The McLaren is vastly superior in EVERY department to the point the F430 feels fragile, slow and aged in comparison.

I know Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche prices have all gone mental recently but I just cant see the justification over it.
McLarens are such good value for money at the moment I can honestly see their prices going up massively when they catch up on this upward trend of the other brands.
My Lambo and Ferrari never got so much appreciation as the 650S and people think I have won the euromillions to afford one lol

[PHOENIXUK]

RamboLambo said:

red_duke said:

You're out of date.

Asking price is now £145,000 for an F430 Spider
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

Or £139,000 if you're on a budget
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

These prices are laughable. Anyone buying at these levels ought to expect a big hit sometime in the future unless they never drive the thing again even then I reckon they are still massively over priced.

You can get an MP4 12C coupe or even 12C spider at this level and believe me there is no comparison between the 2 cars. The McLaren is vastly superior in EVERY department to the point the F430 feels fragile, slow and aged in comparison.

I know Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche prices have all gone mental recently but I just cant see the justification over it.
McLarens are such good value for money at the moment I can honestly see their prices going up massively when they catch up on this upward trend of the other brands.
My Lambo and Ferrari never got so much appreciation as the 650S and people think I have won the euromillions to afford one lol

Other than the usual Mclaren bo**ox I find myself actually agreeing with you Prices older 'normal' Ferrari's and Porsche's are going for or at least been advertised for is quite ridiculous and I dont need to consult my crystal ball to see this has got to end with a bloody big bang.. Just wish the ball would tell me when..

[RamboLambo]

Anyone thinking a used F430 is worth £145k has seriously got more than 1 screw loose.
God help the person who sheds out that sort of money for a high volume regular production car.
There is simply no justification for dealers pricing these cars at so much other than there is always one idiot out there that might pay the stupidity premium

Personally I think its becoming a bit of a conspiracy with the dealers just raising the prices and forming a cartel to improve their profit margins when sales are slow anyway

[red_duke]

These adverts look like speculative out-of-season sale or return attempts to me. The owners aren't really interested in offloading their cars but if someone coughs up the extreme asking price they'd be prepared to let it go.

Free garaging over winter I guess.

[sealtt]

RamboLambo said:

These prices are laughable. Anyone buying at these levels ought to expect a big hit sometime in the future unless they never drive the thing again even then I reckon they are still massively over priced.

You can get an MP4 12C coupe or even 12C spider at this level and believe me there is no comparison between the 2 cars. The McLaren is vastly superior in EVERY department to the point the F430 feels fragile, slow and aged in comparison.

I know Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche prices have all gone mental recently but I just cant see the justification over it.
McLarens are such good value for money at the moment I can honestly see their prices going up massively when they catch up on this upward trend of the other brands.
My Lambo and Ferrari never got so much appreciation as the 650S and people think I have won the euromillions to afford one lol

Or an even better comparison to avoid the inevitable RamboLambo McLaren plug - buy the fantastic 458 from a main dealer with warranty ... for less

[RamboLambo]

sealtt said:

Or an even better comparison to avoid the inevitable RamboLambo McLaren plug - buy the fantastic 458 from a main dealer with warranty ... for less

Exactly. Who would choose a F430 over a 458.

These low mileage premium cars are simply ludicrous for anyone other than a collector who will not drive them. Anyone else will lose a fortune the minute they use them for what they were designed for.

Just bought a new toy for the winter with 20,000 miles on a 6 year old car over an equivalent 5,000 miler because I knew I would lose the premium by doubling the mileage and taking it over 10,000 miles in the next 12 months.

[dang2407]

RamboLambo said:

Exactly. Who would choose a F430 over a 458.

These low mileage premium cars are simply ludicrous for anyone other than a collector who will not drive them. Anyone else will lose a fortune the minute they use them for what they were designed for.

Just bought a new toy for the winter with 20,000 miles on a 6 year old car over an equivalent 5,000 miler because I knew I would lose the premium by doubling the mileage and taking it over 10,000 miles in the next 12 months.

It depends on what you want from the car. Personally I would much prefer the rawness and driving involvement of a 430 over a 458 anyday. Same goes for Gallardo over Huracan.

[mwstewart]

RamboLambo said:

Exactly. Who would choose a F430 over a 458.

These low mileage premium cars are simply ludicrous for anyone other than a collector who will not drive them. Anyone else will lose a fortune the minute they use them for what they were designed for

I agree on the asking price of some of the 430's for sale at the moment.

I would however take the F430. The newer cars have (usually lots) more power, more grip, and are easier to drive at increased speeds, but that for me does equate to a better car - a road car especially. A turbocharged engine in the Maclarens you mention most definitely doesn't. The F430 in contrast offers a very pure driving experience with its low unsprung weight, great N/A V8, and metal ball joint suspension (the 458 challenge cars are fitted with the same ball joints as the F430).

Cars have simply developed to a point where their stratospherhic performance is way beyond what you can realisitically use for sustained periods on the road - it's become a pure numbers game - but the F430 and Scuderia are just about in the sweet spot. Putting the obvious investment driven bubble aside, it is likely that other enthusiasts want a purer experience hence why other analogue cars like the GT3 are climbing in value.

Each to their own of course.

[PHOENIXUK]

mwstewart said:

RamboLambo said:

Exactly. Who would choose a F430 over a 458.

These low mileage premium cars are simply ludicrous for anyone other than a collector who will not drive them. Anyone else will lose a fortune the minute they use them for what they were designed for

I agree on the asking price of some of the 430's for sale at the moment.

I would however take the F430. The newer cars have (usually lots) more power, more grip, and are easier to drive at increased speeds, but that for me does equate to a better car - a road car especially. A turbocharged engine in the Maclarens you mention most definitely doesn't. The F430 in contrast offers a very pure driving experience with its low unsprung weight, great N/A V8, and metal ball joint suspension (the 458 challenge cars are fitted with the same ball joints as the F430).

Cars have simply developed to a point where their stratospherhic performance is way beyond what you can realisitically use for sustained periods on the road - it's become a pure numbers game - but the F430 and Scuderia are just about in the sweet spot. Putting the obvious investment driven bubble aside, it is likely that other enthusiasts want a purer experience hence why other analogue cars like the GT3 are climbing in value.

Each to their own of course.

As you say each to their own but personally I can not think of one instace when I did not prefer/ smile more driving a 458 over an F430 or for that matter a Speciale over a Scuderia, i find this 'RAW experience that drivers of previous generation Ferrari's (and other maunufacturers) talk about as elusive as the Holy Grail, now if they said its not as 'RAW' as an R500 I would understand.
Perhaps it is just me and I am not a sensitive or good enough a driver to appreciate this rawness that is spoken off.... I await the stone throwing.

[purpleperil]

PHOENIXUK said:

As you say each to their own but personally I can not think of one instace when I did not prefer/ smile more driving a 458 over an F430 or for that matter a Speciale over a Scuderia, i find this 'RAW experience that drivers of previous generation Ferrari's (and other maunufacturers) talk about as elusive as the Holy Grail, now if they said its not as 'RAW' as an R500 I would understand.
Perhaps it is just me and I am not a sensitive or good enough a driver to appreciate this rawness that is spoken off.... I await the stone throwing.

Great to see differing opinions but I'm with Phoenix on this one - haven't missed my F430 one bit since swapping it for an Italia. Both fantastic cars mind but the Italia feels so much more accomplished to me. IMHO.

[sealtt]

MWStewart I respect your opinion (and love your F430!), but I really feel like anyone who says they prefer the F430 to the 458 must not have spent time with both. The 458 is not only superior in almost every measurable way, it is also has much better steering, gives more confidence, is more fun and more rewarding to drive whatever the speed. It is just SO much better than the F430 that I didn't think there could ever be a debate other than on points such as which is better value for money as a used purchase (now looking a bit irrelevant!) or which car looks or sounds better to any given individual.

My favourite anecdote is being on a track day at Castle Coombe in my F430, after a good 30 laps I decided to go for a blast in one of the 458s the dealer had brought along to the event. On my first ever lap in the 458 I felt more connected to the car and more confident than I had after many laps in my own F430! I also had a lot more fun in the 458 because of that, it makes the F430 feel frumpy and slow.

I still think the F430 is a great car, it's plenty fast and a lot of fun. However it really isn't a touch on the 458, which I truly believe is one of the best cars ever made.

[dang2407]

Superior performance does not always equal more enjoyment. Personally speaking:
1) I hate the DCT gear change - give me a manual change any day where the engine speed 'rings' post-shift. Slower, yes but it puts the grin on my face and raises the hairs on the back of my neck. I get so much satisfaction knowing that I changed the gear...
2) I hate the quietness of modern cars. If it's a toy, I want to hear the exhaust note all the time. I want to hear the tyres on the tarmac - there's a lot of info there about the availability of traction.
3) I don't want fingertip control power-steering - again, so much info to be had.
4) I don't particularly care about SatNav nor DAB. If I want that I have a phone for the former and an expensive hifi for the latter...

Ok, ABS and ESP, I agree with, to save my under-talented ass.... :-)

But as said previously, each to their own.