i should be whipped senseless with a knoted rope
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JayK12 said:
Have you driven a 458? I never wanted an F1 box, had a manual 360, drove an F430 F1 and didn't like it. I spent a day with a 458 and all i can say is i WANT! Its awesome, is all i can say. I cant even begin to compare it to a F430.
I'd say go test drive one, then go home and drive your F430, then makes your choice!
Precisely this, and I too had never wanted an F1, in fact I hated the F1 box on 360 and 430. I sold an F1 360 because I got fed up with the clunky transmission (though apparently the CS TCU improves this massively). I'd say go test drive one, then go home and drive your F430, then makes your choice!
I've owned two cars that can be considered holy grails at the moment, manual 575 FHP and manual 430, but I honestly consider the 458 to be better than both. Hopefully one day I can get into a Speciale and then I think that's me done.
The reality is few of us can ignore the financial realities of owning a car that starts to appreciate. You may have bought the car for the driving enjoyment, and from the 10k that you put on in your first year that seems to be the case, but now, unforeseen, you have yourself an investment. If the potential return is significant in relation to your other assets then you have two choices; realise the gain now by selling it, reinvest the profit and purchase another car at the original cost or less of this one, or put it under a cover and drive it a couple times a year. IMHO trading it up for a 458 only makes sense if what you really want is the 458 and the appreciating 430 was a step to achieve that. If not, pocket your profit and buy in low again. Plenty of great driving cars out there for under 50 grand and playing with the casinos money makes the experience a whole lot more fun.
Wilmslowboy said:
The evidence is clear
.....sensitive about putting miles on it.
.....getting like enjoyment from it - other than through its rareness/value
......afraid if you sell you will miss out (miss out what - owning it or drving it)
Afraid the only conclusion is....
It's now a investment/collectable
Commiserations on your loss of a car you used to love....congratulations on your new investment...
Hear hear. Very sad. Cars are for driving, Houses and pension plans are investments IMHO.....sensitive about putting miles on it.
.....getting like enjoyment from it - other than through its rareness/value
......afraid if you sell you will miss out (miss out what - owning it or drving it)
Afraid the only conclusion is....
It's now a investment/collectable
Commiserations on your loss of a car you used to love....congratulations on your new investment...
Unless that money is stopping you doing more important things in life (which let's be honest, probably isn't the case if you have a beautiful Ferrari bought and paid for) then cars are to be driven, simple as that. By the way, mwstewart, where were the lake photos taken? That looks amazing there!
FFS, just enjoy life, so what if it's worth a few bob less in a year or two, you might succumb to cancer before then! My 360 spider is becoming rarer just two owners immaculate and all that, but so what, I took it out yesterday and 100 miles just to get a breakfast in Southwold, I don't want or yearn for a 458 and even if it was a straight swap I still wouldn't let my 360 go.
And I would do exactly the same if it was a 430. In my humble the 360/430 is a more special eye pleasing car than many later cars not to mention all the obvious, manual N/A etc,
Here endothelial my rant, Mike
And I would do exactly the same if it was a 430. In my humble the 360/430 is a more special eye pleasing car than many later cars not to mention all the obvious, manual N/A etc,
Here endothelial my rant, Mike
SL550M said:
...By the way, mwstewart, where were the lake photos taken? That looks amazing there!
Some good driving on the continent 
Various places:1) Gorges Du Verdon, France
2,3) Lucerne, Switzerland
4) Gotthardstraße, Switzerland
5,6) Gotthard Pass, Swiss alps
7) Tuscan countryside, Italy
8) Volterra, Italy
willfinch36 said:
Has anyone on here actually bought a manual F430 within the last 12 months?
Would be interested to know what you ACTUALLY paid.
I did and I'm happy to be open about what I paid.... Would be interested to know what you ACTUALLY paid.
In April this year I bought a 2006, Manual Gearbox, F430 Spider, Rosso Corsa / Creme Leather / Bordeaux Carpets - It had covered 19k miles from new and came complete with a Fully Stamped, Ferrari Main Dealer Service History.
Other spec includes: Electric & Heated Seats, Bi-Xenons Headlights, Ceramic Shields, Carbon Fibre Centre Console / Dash and Creme Leather Hoops.
I bought the car direct from a Ferrari Main Dealer, so of course it was supplied with the usual 2 year Ferrari Warranty - Having been following the 355 manual market for a good 12 months prior and watching what was happening there, I jumped on this car before it even hit the internet!
I believe I bought just at the right time, before prices started to rise - Voicey's monthly report actually illustrates this - Price I paid £84,500
The car is absolutely immaculate and was prepared to a high standard with all necessary work carried out - I honestly don't think the car will ever be worth less than what I paid.
On a different note, I've been reading this thread with great interest and maybe I'm being a bit naive, or maybe I'm just too early in to ownership and will eventually get itchy feet but is it only me that's happy with driving their manual F430 moderately, enjoying every mile and gaining pleasure from other factors?
In the last 9 months I've only put around 1,500 miles on the car, I've done mainly local countryside miles, around 70 miles per trip out - I guess that equates to around 20 sunny / dry day uses over the period, I don't feel deprived by this level of driving but I also get great joy from other elements of ownership, admiring, cleaning and generally keeping the car in immaculate condition.
Is everyone tempted by the slightly newer, more advanced 458, or is it just me that's happy and able to appreciate this thing of beauty on so many other levels, rather than just the amount of driving miles, or reaching out for something slightly quicker, newer and more advanced?
And while it's not everything, yes the ownership experience I suppose is made that little bit sweeter, by knowing that owning a Ferrari may not be costing me anything!
tuscaneer said:
mwstewart said:
Yes, you should - just drive it and enjoy it! Mine's a manual and I really don't care what mileage I cover in it. I'm not going to look back and think "I'm really pleased I missed out on all that fun so I could keep the value of the car".
In my humble opinion if you get into supercars with residual value as a consideration you've got it really wrong. I see them as tools to provide enjoyment, life experiences, and above all great memories. I've put more miles on mine in one year than the last did in five.
of course you are correct and my philosophy has always been to use them properly. ....In my humble opinion if you get into supercars with residual value as a consideration you've got it really wrong. I see them as tools to provide enjoyment, life experiences, and above all great memories. I've put more miles on mine in one year than the last did in five.
but if i had a....i don't know....a dino or a db5 for example, i certainly wouldn't thrash about in it willy nilly!
interesting points all, thanks....
to wilmslowboy , rambolambo and mike brown.......don't get too upset chaps, no need to put your black armbands on just yet....we are talking about a car after all....and i do believe you've missed the point of my original post entirely.
the original question arose due to the crazy high prices of 430s at the moment. my question out was " should i stick or should i twist"....ie. do i sit tight on what seems to be an increasingly sought after rare beast or do i swap out now into a 458...
as i posted, i have done a small amount of miles this year for the first time ever but it does make you think twice when you think what these cars could be worth in 10 - 20 years time.
and all this live for today talk. yes, i agree but there is a part of me that would like to think the kids have got another nice little nest egg after i've gone......and keeping the car in fine fettle (as i have been doing for the last 3 years) still allows me to enjoy it before i pop my clogs!!....(i'm still only 40 by the way!)
to wilmslowboy , rambolambo and mike brown.......don't get too upset chaps, no need to put your black armbands on just yet....we are talking about a car after all....and i do believe you've missed the point of my original post entirely.
the original question arose due to the crazy high prices of 430s at the moment. my question out was " should i stick or should i twist"....ie. do i sit tight on what seems to be an increasingly sought after rare beast or do i swap out now into a 458...
as i posted, i have done a small amount of miles this year for the first time ever but it does make you think twice when you think what these cars could be worth in 10 - 20 years time.
and all this live for today talk. yes, i agree but there is a part of me that would like to think the kids have got another nice little nest egg after i've gone......and keeping the car in fine fettle (as i have been doing for the last 3 years) still allows me to enjoy it before i pop my clogs!!....(i'm still only 40 by the way!)
FalconWood said:
Not sure your totally right there ..... I have a Dino and I put quite a few miles on it to keep it running sweet AND I don't think these sort of cars are so miles sensitive. If they have full maintenance and service history and drive well (because their driven) they keep value. But also they are so different to drive .... Makes you realise we have moved on in 40 years but I still love the experience of driving it. ??
depends what you call quite a few!...i think a happy medium should be around 3,000 a year. these cars aren't commuters after alli'm till loving my manual 430 after 18months, i've done about 1500 miles in this time, however given the chance to swap to a 458 with zero cost to change i think i'd do it without hesitation, even if the 430 continued to rise and the 458 fell, i bought my car to enjoy primarily, however i do fell conscious that using it could de-value it, which is a shame as life is genuinely short, why are we influenced so much by monetary gain
Nano2nd said:
i'm till loving my manual 430 after 18months, i've done about 1500 miles in this time, however given the chance to swap to a 458 with zero cost to change i think i'd do it without hesitation, even if the 430 continued to rise and the 458 fell, i bought my car to enjoy primarily, however i do fell conscious that using it could de-value it, which is a shame as life is genuinely short, why are we influenced so much by monetary gain
....because wether we like it or not pal....money makes the world go round!!!
Bo_apex said:
Falconwood is correct. A Dino is not mileage sensitive, although it's build quality is no better than an F430. In time 430's won't be mile sensitive either, as they too will be considered proper Classics
......which is why i'm in such a quandry!...nice problem to have, mindGreat problem to have I reckon pat yourself on the back for buying so wisely in the first place, then put the car under a cover and add no more than 1,500 miles a year, then do the man maths and buy something at the bottom of it's depreciation curve again. Being a collector AND an enthusiast is a great place to be.
I reckon pat yourself on the back for buying so wisely in the first place, then put the car under a cover and add no more than 1,500 miles a year, then do the man maths and buy something at the bottom of it's depreciation curve again. Being a collector AND an enthusiast is a great place to be.Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 23 December 11:10
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 23 December 11:12
thecook101 said:
Great problem to have I reckon pat yourself on the back for buying so wisely in the first place, then put the car under a cover and add no more that 1,500 miles a year, then do the man maths and buy something at the bottom of it's depreciation curve again. Being a collector AND and enthusiast is a great place to be.
i suppose now that i'm not paying finance on the car i could always stick it under a dust sheet and finance a 458!.....i'd have trouble getting that one past the war office in our house though I reckon pat yourself on the back for buying so wisely in the first place, then put the car under a cover and add no more that 1,500 miles a year, then do the man maths and buy something at the bottom of it's depreciation curve again. Being a collector AND and enthusiast is a great place to be.Gassing Station | Ferrari V8 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff