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Do you know what....The more I think about how much care and attention has gone into the car in the 3 years I've had it.....not to mention the cost!!!,,,,and the fact that I've got it mint with no NEED to sell it....even a bubble burst wouldn't really bother me as you only really win or lose when you actually part with it.....think it might be staying in the garage on its own until I figure out a way to get a 458 parked up next to it to keep it company!!
Edited by tuscaneer on Tuesday 5th January 06:27
tuscaneer said:
Do you know what....The more I think about how much care and attention has gone into the car in the 3 years I've had it.....not to mention the cost!!!,,,,and the fact that I've got it mint with no NEED to sell it....even a bubble burst wouldn't really bother me as you only really win or lose when you actually part with it.....think it might be staying in the garage on its own until I figure out a way to get a 458 parked up next to it to keep it company!!
I was having a minor version of your dilemma last year. I have a manual 430 Spider too but had always loved the 458. Whilst on a "dirty" 4 days away from the kids in Vegas last year, my missus kindly hired me a 458 Spider for 6 hours to try it out and see if I wanted to make the change. Now you may say, why would you "test-drive" a 458 in the US. Excellent point but the route you can take takes involves driving down the highway to Hoover Dam (touristy), after that you can drive with a little more spirit down the very quiet Lake View Road until you come to a lovely place called Red Rock Canyon. For those that haven't been here, it's essentially a one-way, perfectly tarmacked, twisty 11-mile road :-) At several points we found ourselves with a clear road and only a go-pro for company. The 458 was fabulous, fast, predictable and looking back at the footage made me look like a Hero. However I handed it back and knew I didn't want one, it was quite frankly too good and too easy to drive trouser-wettingly fast. It's a digital car where the 430 is analogue. There's something more than "just" nostalgia when you sit in the 430s drivers seat and look at that gated gear box - it feels like a living, breathing thing. Personally I wouldn't swap my 430 for a 458, I know technically it's nowhere near as good but emotionally it's streets ahead.Edited by tuscaneer on Tuesday 5th January 06:27
tuscaneer said:
Do you know what....The more I think about how much care and attention has gone into the car in the 3 years I've had it.....not to mention the cost!!!,,,,and the fact that I've got it mint with no NEED to sell it....even a bubble burst wouldn't really bother me as you only really win or lose when you actually part with it.....think it might be staying in the garage on its own until I figure out a way to get a 458 parked up next to it to keep it company!!
It's just my opinion but I'm almost certain that there isn't going to be any kind of bursting bubble around Manual F430's.Edited by tuscaneer on Tuesday 5th January 06:27
Your Manual F430 may not continue to increase in value at the same rate year on year, as it has in 2015, (by around 12%) but by the same token, you're not going to wake up in 5 years time and find it's only worth £50k - It's simply not going to happen!
I honestly believe it will always be worth at least what it's worth today. With such low numbers produced, it's only ever going to become more collectable / desirable.
And just because the 458 is newer, it doesn't mean the older F430 prices will be driven down by this fact - Just look at the 355's, the prices aren't being driven down by the 360's just because they're a newer model.... As I'm sure you know, 355's are actually commanding a considerably higher price - So a car being a newer model does not necessarily increase it's desirability / value.
If I'm honest, at the moment, I can't think of anywhere better that I'd rather have the best part of £100k invested!!
jasonwdh said:
I was having a minor version of your dilemma last year. I have a manual 430 Spider too but had always loved the 458. Whilst on a "dirty" 4 days away from the kids in Vegas last year, my missus kindly hired me a 458 Spider for 6 hours to try it out and see if I wanted to make the change. Now you may say, why would you "test-drive" a 458 in the US. Excellent point but the route you can take takes involves driving down the highway to Hoover Dam (touristy), after that you can drive with a little more spirit down the very quiet Lake View Road until you come to a lovely place called Red Rock Canyon. For those that haven't been here, it's essentially a one-way, perfectly tarmacked, twisty 11-mile road :-) At several points we found ourselves with a clear road and only a go-pro for company. The 458 was fabulous, fast, predictable and looking back at the footage made me look like a Hero. However I handed it back and knew I didn't want one, it was quite frankly too good and too easy to drive trouser-wettingly fast. It's a digital car where the 430 is analogue. There's something more than "just" nostalgia when you sit in the 430s drivers seat and look at that gated gear box - it feels like a living, breathing thing. Personally I wouldn't swap my 430 for a 458, I know technically it's nowhere near as good but emotionally it's streets ahead.
i'm going to have to go and have a proper good few hours with a 458 to see for myself but you're not the first person i've heard say that a 458 is a bit too much like a video game in execution compared to a 430
allister said:
It's just my opinion but I'm almost certain that there isn't going to be any kind of bursting bubble around Manual F430's.
Your Manual F430 may not continue to increase in value at the same rate year on year, as it has in 2015, (by around 12%) but by the same token, you're not going to wake up in 5 years time and find it's only worth £50k - It's simply not going to happen!
I honestly believe it will always be worth at least what it's worth today. With such low numbers produced, it's only ever going to become more collectable / desirable.
And just because the 458 is newer, it doesn't mean the older F430 prices will be driven down by this fact - Just look at the 355's, the prices aren't being driven down by the 360's just because they're a newer model.... As I'm sure you know, 355's are actually commanding a considerably higher price - So a car being a newer model does not necessarily increase it's desirability / value.
If I'm honest, at the moment, I can't think of anywhere better that I'd rather have the best part of £100k invested!!
that's it pal!...you've convinced me.....she staysYour Manual F430 may not continue to increase in value at the same rate year on year, as it has in 2015, (by around 12%) but by the same token, you're not going to wake up in 5 years time and find it's only worth £50k - It's simply not going to happen!
I honestly believe it will always be worth at least what it's worth today. With such low numbers produced, it's only ever going to become more collectable / desirable.
And just because the 458 is newer, it doesn't mean the older F430 prices will be driven down by this fact - Just look at the 355's, the prices aren't being driven down by the 360's just because they're a newer model.... As I'm sure you know, 355's are actually commanding a considerably higher price - So a car being a newer model does not necessarily increase it's desirability / value.
If I'm honest, at the moment, I can't think of anywhere better that I'd rather have the best part of £100k invested!!
jasonwdh said:
I was having a minor version of your dilemma last year. I have a manual 430 Spider too but had always loved the 458. Whilst on a "dirty" 4 days away from the kids in Vegas last year, my missus kindly hired me a 458 Spider for 6 hours to try it out and see if I wanted to make the change. Now you may say, why would you "test-drive" a 458 in the US. Excellent point but the route you can take takes involves driving down the highway to Hoover Dam (touristy), after that you can drive with a little more spirit down the very quiet Lake View Road until you come to a lovely place called Red Rock Canyon. For those that haven't been here, it's essentially a one-way, perfectly tarmacked, twisty 11-mile road :-) At several points we found ourselves with a clear road and only a go-pro for company. The 458 was fabulous, fast, predictable and looking back at the footage made me look like a Hero. However I handed it back and knew I didn't want one, it was quite frankly too good and too easy to drive trouser-wettingly fast. It's a digital car where the 430 is analogue. There's something more than "just" nostalgia when you sit in the 430s drivers seat and look at that gated gear box - it feels like a living, breathing thing. Personally I wouldn't swap my 430 for a 458, I know technically it's nowhere near as good but emotionally it's streets ahead.
Well put! My own words when describing the 430 v 458 comparison.This is exactly why I love my 430 so much, it's more than quick enough with enough stability tc modes to be safe for when driving normally/reasonable briskly but also enough of handful when really pushed in race or cst off mode without having to reach insane speeds you would get to in the 458 looking for the cars limits etc.
Both fabulous cars!
The - bit for me is no glass engine cover on the spider, don't like the engine being hidden away
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