F430 has the 'bubble' burst?
Discussion
MDL111 said:
I agree the 458 is quite pretty for a modern Ferrari
The 430 on the other hand is rather ugly imo, probably my least favourite V8 design over the last 2 decades / possibly ever only beaten by the Mondial top of my head [they are relatively good value for money though and a good driving experience/last kind of analogue Ferrari]
You see I love the 430 looks, I also like the 355, not so keen on 360.The 430 on the other hand is rather ugly imo, probably my least favourite V8 design over the last 2 decades / possibly ever only beaten by the Mondial top of my head [they are relatively good value for money though and a good driving experience/last kind of analogue Ferrari]
I'd say the 430 is only last of analogue if you get a manual version, the F1 though just a robotised manual and a vast improvement over the previous F1 boxes is still nowhere near as good as DCT. I think 360, 430 and 458 are all excellent.
I don't know if its just me but maybe the whole modern super car theme are cars trying to be downforce race car heroes for the road has only really succeeded in making them boring at legal speeds, far too capable for the road to be fun but even worse kind of spoiled the beautiful looks of what makes a car beautiful, clean lines and curves, not the use of gaping holes and massive wings in the hunt for down force.
Gibbo205 said:
MDL111 said:
I agree the 458 is quite pretty for a modern Ferrari
The 430 on the other hand is rather ugly imo, probably my least favourite V8 design over the last 2 decades / possibly ever only beaten by the Mondial top of my head [they are relatively good value for money though and a good driving experience/last kind of analogue Ferrari]
You see I love the 430 looks, I also like the 355, not so keen on 360.The 430 on the other hand is rather ugly imo, probably my least favourite V8 design over the last 2 decades / possibly ever only beaten by the Mondial top of my head [they are relatively good value for money though and a good driving experience/last kind of analogue Ferrari]
I'd say the 430 is only last of analogue if you get a manual version, the F1 though just a robotised manual and a vast improvement over the previous F1 boxes is still nowhere near as good as DCT. I think 360, 430 and 458 are all excellent.
I don't know if its just me but maybe the whole modern super car theme are cars trying to be downforce race car heroes for the road has only really succeeded in making them boring at legal speeds, far too capable for the road to be fun but even worse kind of spoiled the beautiful looks of what makes a car beautiful, clean lines and curves, not the use of gaping holes and massive wings in the hunt for down force.
I much prefer the F1 box in my 430 to the DCT box in my FF (I would still much rather have a manual and might just convert it if I decide to keep the car/can afford to keep the car)
I am not a fan of double-clutch boxes, robotised manual much more fun imo. I think I am in the minority though
I use my Dad's business (architect) as a rough indication of the general economy, and he has served me well thus far! He is busier again post-Brexit - much more so than the usual post-Christmas wake-up.
Let's see how the car market goes this year.
430 is my favourite design, especially 16M.
Let's see how the car market goes this year.
430 is my favourite design, especially 16M.
rat rod said:
sorry to correct you ,it was mark konig ,he used to race for ferrari factory, people would not only buy a ferrari but especially buy one from him,having had several 308's and a couple of 365's he asked me have i ever driven a dayton which i hadn't so he let me drive one that was in stock at £19,500 ouch ! one owner who was the chairman of the f.o.c at the time,it was a quiet saterday morning when they only opened to midday,he retired to the i.o.w when inchcape bought maranello's taking his f40 and glass gtb with him, wow you must be as old as me to remember that cgt2,
That's right and yes I'm old! There was a Roger there I'm sure, maybe it was Roger Maingault or something like that?MDL111 said:
I can't exactly put my finger on what I don't like about the 430 looks, but anyway we are all different.
I much prefer the F1 box in my 430 to the DCT box in my FF (I would still much rather have a manual and might just convert it if I decide to keep the car/can afford to keep the car)
I am not a fan of double-clutch boxes, robotised manual much more fun imo. I think I am in the minority though
The modern Ferraris look too similar to the other supercars, such as McLaren, Lambo and the like. The F430 still maintains some of the classic lines and the prancing horse's features like the shark nose, Enzo tail lights etc. I much prefer the F1 box in my 430 to the DCT box in my FF (I would still much rather have a manual and might just convert it if I decide to keep the car/can afford to keep the car)
I am not a fan of double-clutch boxes, robotised manual much more fun imo. I think I am in the minority though
I too prefer the F1 box, where you can feel the mechanical swift/ jerk. Dare I say it is the better suit for the car. The manual is a bit too clunky for my liking. The DCT is no doubt a better box in terms of technology and mechanical development, but it is just too smooth. It is just like wine - all about personal preference.
I don't know if Mark Konig used to race for the factory but he did used to race his own Nomads in World Sports Car Events - at the time he lived in Hammersmith and the car and trailer were parked on the road between events - residential squares were far more convenient than race tracks for checking the car out before going to the 'Ring or Spa for the weekend !
Tuscan Wil said:
The modern Ferraris look too similar to the other supercars, such as McLaren, Lambo and the like. The F430 still maintains some of the classic lines and the prancing horse's features like the shark nose, Enzo tail lights etc.
I too prefer the F1 box, where you can feel the mechanical swift/ jerk. Dare I say it is the better suit for the car. The manual is a bit too clunky for my liking. The DCT is no doubt a better box in terms of technology and mechanical development, but it is just too smooth. It is just like wine - all about personal preference.
bang on the 458's/488's and the f8 look flat and wide with hardly a curve in site,the 430 still has the curves of the 246's/308's but in a chunky more modern way, i think i bought the enzo rear lights and the rest of the car was free,I too prefer the F1 box, where you can feel the mechanical swift/ jerk. Dare I say it is the better suit for the car. The manual is a bit too clunky for my liking. The DCT is no doubt a better box in terms of technology and mechanical development, but it is just too smooth. It is just like wine - all about personal preference.
johnnyreggae said:
I don't know if Mark Konig used to race for the factory but he did used to race his own Nomads in World Sports Car Events - at the time he lived in Hammersmith and the car and trailer were parked on the road between events - residential squares were far more convenient than race tracks for checking the car out before going to the 'Ring or Spa for the weekend !
I bet that was a sight and sound ,remember seeing dan margulies coming out of his mews onto the cromwell rd in a maserati 250f giving it a quick spin round the block with the police looking the other way, doubt if we will the likes of that again , never saw the nomad but did read about it somewhere,MDL111 said:
I can't exactly put my finger on what I don't like about the 430 looks, but anyway we are all different.
I much prefer the F1 box in my 430 to the DCT box in my FF (I would still much rather have a manual and might just convert it if I decide to keep the car/can afford to keep the car)
I am not a fan of double-clutch boxes, robotised manual much more fun imo. I think I am in the minority though
I thought it was just me, i collected the 430 from maranello's having had it's annual service using the m3 , full of camera's on the top end,i don't know if they were in operation or not but wasn't taking any chances and lots of unmarked police cars i kept to a steady 70/80 mph ,wasn't till i got to the two lane part i could have a better look around to see who was about and gave it a couple of quick blasts, then went back into the inside lane feeling guilty, i thought god this is boring i might as well be in a merc or bmw , the 430 must feel old school compared to the 458/488 and f8 and unless you get to drive in europe regularly would be even more frustrating , i've owned mainly 308's and 365's all on carbs and open exhausts , a mixture of road and track cars ,slower cars by todays standards but with the sucking carbs and bellowing exhausts felt faster and more exciting with more theatre and with more chance of keeping your license ,I much prefer the F1 box in my 430 to the DCT box in my FF (I would still much rather have a manual and might just convert it if I decide to keep the car/can afford to keep the car)
I am not a fan of double-clutch boxes, robotised manual much more fun imo. I think I am in the minority though
cgt2 said:
That's right and yes I'm old! There was a Roger there I'm sure, maybe it was Roger Maingault or something like that?
Now that name rings a bell but can't place it,that's going to niggle me all night ,there was a richard hackett now selling bristol's in the west country, a bit partial to bristols was richard in more ways than one paul baber, alan mapp and anthony stevens ( the major ) all great characters ,very posh but nice blokes, rat rod said:
Now that name rings a bell but can't place it,that's going to niggle me all night ,there was a richard hackett now selling bristol's in the west country, a bit partial to bristols was richard in more ways than one paul baber, alan mapp and anthony stevens ( the major ) all great characters ,very posh but nice blokes,
There were so many great characters around in those days.Gibbo205 said:
You see I love the 430 looks, I also like the 355, not so keen on 360.
I'd say the 430 is only last of analogue if you get a manual version, the F1 though just a robotised manual and a vast improvement over the previous F1 boxes is still nowhere near as good as DCT. I think 360, 430 and 458 are all excellent.
I don't know if its just me but maybe the whole modern super car theme are cars trying to be downforce race car heroes for the road has only really succeeded in making them boring at legal speeds, far too capable for the road to be fun but even worse kind of spoiled the beautiful looks of what makes a car beautiful, clean lines and curves, not the use of gaping holes and massive wings in the hunt for down force.
Spot on that man, that’s exactly why the likes of Ferrari Dino are so gorgeous, you can keep all your Mc Clarens and the like , even the latest Boxsters are spoiled by this lookI'd say the 430 is only last of analogue if you get a manual version, the F1 though just a robotised manual and a vast improvement over the previous F1 boxes is still nowhere near as good as DCT. I think 360, 430 and 458 are all excellent.
I don't know if its just me but maybe the whole modern super car theme are cars trying to be downforce race car heroes for the road has only really succeeded in making them boring at legal speeds, far too capable for the road to be fun but even worse kind of spoiled the beautiful looks of what makes a car beautiful, clean lines and curves, not the use of gaping holes and massive wings in the hunt for down force.
Gents,
The intentions are for sunny days (not that we have many here), 1 to 2 decent road trips across Europe including a Ferrari Factory visit etc........and the odd careful track day (will always take along one another car that we can hoon and not worry about).......will be breaking my own tradition and it wont be going round the Nurburgring like all rest of the garage has (including my beloved defender)
The intentions are for sunny days (not that we have many here), 1 to 2 decent road trips across Europe including a Ferrari Factory visit etc........and the odd careful track day (will always take along one another car that we can hoon and not worry about).......will be breaking my own tradition and it wont be going round the Nurburgring like all rest of the garage has (including my beloved defender)
The youtuber ‘four wheel trader’ recently put out a ‘how to buy a ferrari f430, depreciation and buying’ video, and shock horror, they are very mileage sensitive! He is in the US & his analysis says, they have not bottomed yet, but the 360 has. He also says ‘the data has suprised me’. whatever, here in the UK prices look stable but the market does not seem to support much volume of transactions at current prices, but that could be said of the entire discretionary toy market including Horses and Boats as well as fun cars. My search is just beginning.
The irony of wanting a dream car and to want to drive it around, feeling on top of the world and marvelling in its engineering and performance excellence and the emotional joy it brings you yet by so doing you destroy the fiscal value of it. Time to convert fiscal losses into life experience thrills and gains. Makes it so much less painful.
Superleg48 said:
The irony of wanting a dream car and to want to drive it around, feeling on top of the world and marvelling in its engineering and performance excellence and the emotional joy it brings you yet by so doing you destroy the fiscal value of it. Time to convert fiscal losses into life experience thrills and gains. Makes it so much less painful.
Agreed, I wrote of the value of my ferrari 15 years ago. I have had 15 years of wonderful memories with many more to come. It's only worth £230.67p now, but funnily enough looks just as much the same as a 100k car that's got 7k miles on it, but mine runs better. 
FezSpider said:
Superleg48 said:
The irony of wanting a dream car and to want to drive it around, feeling on top of the world and marvelling in its engineering and performance excellence and the emotional joy it brings you yet by so doing you destroy the fiscal value of it. Time to convert fiscal losses into life experience thrills and gains. Makes it so much less painful.
Agreed, I wrote of the value of my ferrari 15 years ago. I have had 15 years of wonderful memories with many more to come. It's only worth £230.67p now, but funnily enough looks just as much the same as a 100k car that's got 7k miles on it, but mine runs better. Of that you will likely have 60 odd years of driving time, assuming you pass your test at 18 and hand your licence in at say 78.
Of that your window of being able to afford a dream car like a Ferrari, Lambo etc is further reduced, since you will likely have to work and save whilst going to college/uni, buying / renting a house/flat, having a relationship, maybe kids etc etc . I’d say realistically your window of opportunity to realise this dream is likely to be 10-20 years, if you are lucky.
So, you get the chance, the planets align and you buy your dream car.......whereupon you stick it in the garage, drive it once a month for a bit because you are scared to lose money on something that will more than likely depreciate anyway. For the likely time you are able to enjoy it, you should drive the socks off it and properly maximise your return on life investment. Relax about the depreciation, you’ll be dead soon and it won’t matter then.
" you get the chance, the planets align and you buy your dream car.......whereupon you stick it in the garage, drive it once a month for a bit because you are scared to lose money on something that will more than likely depreciate anyway. For the likely time you are able to enjoy it, you should drive the socks off it and properly maximise your return on life investment. Relax about the depreciation, you’ll be dead soon and it won’t matter then. "
More people should take note of the above,
Life and especially the good times can be a lot shorter than you think......
More people should take note of the above,
Life and especially the good times can be a lot shorter than you think......
Superleg48 said:
People seem to forget that you are probably only going to have around 80 years or so on this planet based on current average life expectancy in the UK.
Of that you will likely have 60 odd years of driving time, assuming you pass your test at 18 and hand your licence in at say 78.
Of that your window of being able to afford a dream car like a Ferrari, Lambo etc is further reduced, since you will likely have to work and save whilst going to college/uni, buying / renting a house/flat, having a relationship, maybe kids etc etc . I’d say realistically your window of opportunity to realise this dream is likely to be 10-20 years, if you are lucky.
So, you get the chance, the planets align and you buy your dream car.......whereupon you stick it in the garage, drive it once a month for a bit because you are scared to lose money on something that will more than likely depreciate anyway. For the likely time you are able to enjoy it, you should drive the socks off it and properly maximise your return on life investment. Relax about the depreciation, you’ll be dead soon and it won’t matter then.
WOW! what a great quote Superleg48 ,you are so right, been driving ferrari's since i was 29 now 68,had break when 2nd wife came along and 3 kids later,wife now gone (still alive) still have kids (literally) and back driving a ferrari and lambo again, depreciation, try 2 ex wives ,as long as my cars put a smile on my face my cars can depreciate as much as they will , at my age i got years rather than years and years to enjoy them, Of that you will likely have 60 odd years of driving time, assuming you pass your test at 18 and hand your licence in at say 78.
Of that your window of being able to afford a dream car like a Ferrari, Lambo etc is further reduced, since you will likely have to work and save whilst going to college/uni, buying / renting a house/flat, having a relationship, maybe kids etc etc . I’d say realistically your window of opportunity to realise this dream is likely to be 10-20 years, if you are lucky.
So, you get the chance, the planets align and you buy your dream car.......whereupon you stick it in the garage, drive it once a month for a bit because you are scared to lose money on something that will more than likely depreciate anyway. For the likely time you are able to enjoy it, you should drive the socks off it and properly maximise your return on life investment. Relax about the depreciation, you’ll be dead soon and it won’t matter then.
[quote=lambo666]" you get the chance, the planets align and you buy your dream car.......whereupon you stick it in the garage, drive it once a month for a bit because you are scared to lose money on something that will more than likely depreciate anyway. For the likely time you are able to enjoy it, you should drive the socks off it and properly maximise your return on life investment. Relax about the depreciation, you’ll be dead soon and it won’t matter then. "
More people should take note of the above,
Life and especially the good times can be a lot shorter than you think......
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Great quote lambo666, never a truer word spoke ,referring to your last sentence , having a coffee in the morning with a very close friend a few monday's ago,all is well in his world,business ,no mortgage and close family and a garage full of stunning cars some with only one hundred and fifty miles on the clock, a healthy looking sixty nine, collapsed that evening making a cup of tea ,life support machine turned off 24 hours later, as quick as that and it's all over, shocked me as i'm only one year behind him, think i can feel a drive coming on!
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More people should take note of the above,
Life and especially the good times can be a lot shorter than you think......
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Great quote lambo666, never a truer word spoke ,referring to your last sentence , having a coffee in the morning with a very close friend a few monday's ago,all is well in his world,business ,no mortgage and close family and a garage full of stunning cars some with only one hundred and fifty miles on the clock, a healthy looking sixty nine, collapsed that evening making a cup of tea ,life support machine turned off 24 hours later, as quick as that and it's all over, shocked me as i'm only one year behind him, think i can feel a drive coming on!
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