Anyone have a 2011 California & can advise on running costs
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Rock Studly said:
I have a 2011 California which I have owned for 4 years. Had 25k miles on her when I bought her and now has 42k so I am fairly well placed to comment on costs.
Generally the car has been a joy and much more reliable than a C63 and F type that have been owned over the period. There have been a few electrical gremlins involving front seat heater, parking sensors, electronic boot opening and TPMS which is common with most Ferraris- but otherwise pretty solid. These have mostly been sorted out during service - not cheap but replacing parking sensor and TPMS less than 600 quid each.
These electrical faults tend to happen when the car hasn't been used very often so my advice would be to use regularly and keep on trickle. The irony is that people pay much more for low mileage garage queens but in my opinion you are better off with a car that been used and looked after as the niggles tend to iron out over time.
Only repair of note was a leaking shock which needed replacing. This was best part of 2 grand but was covered under warranty. Actually parking sensor was covered under warranty as well.
So all in all a relatively trouble free and reasonably priced experience. Apart from service (1k) and warranty (2k through Warranty Wise) plus the odd tyre and brake pad not bad at all.
Budget 4k a year and you should be fine.
CheersGenerally the car has been a joy and much more reliable than a C63 and F type that have been owned over the period. There have been a few electrical gremlins involving front seat heater, parking sensors, electronic boot opening and TPMS which is common with most Ferraris- but otherwise pretty solid. These have mostly been sorted out during service - not cheap but replacing parking sensor and TPMS less than 600 quid each.
These electrical faults tend to happen when the car hasn't been used very often so my advice would be to use regularly and keep on trickle. The irony is that people pay much more for low mileage garage queens but in my opinion you are better off with a car that been used and looked after as the niggles tend to iron out over time.
Only repair of note was a leaking shock which needed replacing. This was best part of 2 grand but was covered under warranty. Actually parking sensor was covered under warranty as well.
So all in all a relatively trouble free and reasonably priced experience. Apart from service (1k) and warranty (2k through Warranty Wise) plus the odd tyre and brake pad not bad at all.
Budget 4k a year and you should be fine.
JW82 said:
In 2013, I had a 2011 Cali for a few years and traded in a 2010 Maser GT-S Auto for it. I bought and sold both through the same main dealer group so had peace of mind with a warranty on both vehicles. So basically, my running costs were tyres and pads on the Maserati.
Like you, I wanted to scratch the Ferrari itch but I probably enjoyed owning the Granturismo just as much. Both were really good cars but the Maser was really useable and the back seats were always a plus. Only real issues I had with the Ferrari were all sorted under warranty. The brakes squealed like hell until you put proper heat through them and the boot mechanism failed once - and would not go up. Obviously it started to pour down right after the roof failed and my wife had her handbag in the boot with her phone inside. That was a fun conversation at the time... All fixed by the dealer under warranty though in a day or so. My Cali was grigio titanio but I wanted any colour other than rosso corsa for that car.
The battery is temperamental if you don't use the car regularly and all sorts of warning lights came up when you turn the ingition on. I changed the battery after a while to a better Varta one and this went away but I understand that you can avoid all this by plugging the car in to a battery conditioner - which I could not do as park the cars on the street. Also if you are asking about running costs, I used a lot less petrol on the Ferrari than in the GT-S.
Have fun looking and get a cool colour!
Thanks, Interesting info, I do agree I love the Maser, especially the noise, always an occassion. Agree on the colour for a cali, not a huge fan of the red, but seems a lot of them, saw a met blue one the other day with tan leather, looks great, i do like Grigio titanio. mmm food for thought, fuel doesnt surprise me, the Maser does love munching fuel.Like you, I wanted to scratch the Ferrari itch but I probably enjoyed owning the Granturismo just as much. Both were really good cars but the Maser was really useable and the back seats were always a plus. Only real issues I had with the Ferrari were all sorted under warranty. The brakes squealed like hell until you put proper heat through them and the boot mechanism failed once - and would not go up. Obviously it started to pour down right after the roof failed and my wife had her handbag in the boot with her phone inside. That was a fun conversation at the time... All fixed by the dealer under warranty though in a day or so. My Cali was grigio titanio but I wanted any colour other than rosso corsa for that car.
The battery is temperamental if you don't use the car regularly and all sorts of warning lights came up when you turn the ingition on. I changed the battery after a while to a better Varta one and this went away but I understand that you can avoid all this by plugging the car in to a battery conditioner - which I could not do as park the cars on the street. Also if you are asking about running costs, I used a lot less petrol on the Ferrari than in the GT-S.
Have fun looking and get a cool colour!
ANOpax said:
Sigh. I give up.
If you have nothing useful to add, why post?
I wish you wouldIf you have nothing useful to add, why post?
It would hardly be John Lennon leaving the Beatles now would it
And the same applies to you to be honest you’ve added nothing but unpleasantness, fuelled by a sense of importance presumably derived from owning the stupidest car Ferrari have ever made
The forum is open to anyone, I suggest if you want to be in a more exclusive club you go for a drive in your 120d
ANOpax said:
In true PH style, the OP has asked for people who own a Cali to recount their ownership experiences. And yet loads of folks who haven’t even owned a Ferrari, let alone a Cali are giving their tuppence worth.......
Having owned a Ferrari, it's good to know I can't be included in that statement!ANOpax said:
My advice to the OP - go on to Ferrari chat, use the search function there and you should get the answers you seek from people who own the cars.....
Here's a few to start you off:https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/ferrari-...
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/bad-tran...
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/problems...
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/gearbox-...
(As a member of ferrarichat, these were some of the threads that put me off the idea of owning a California)
ANOpax said:
And BTW, the gearbox issue tends to affect early cars and costs about £5k to fix....
Depends on the fault. The common speed sensor fault may only cost £5K to sort out, but as other owners have found out, if it's a mechanical issue with the gearbox, then the repair costs could be a lot higher than £5K.Nick Mason's California was sold recently - Apparently it had a new gearbox fitted at @ 34K miles (no doubt done under warranty). Out of warranty, I bet that wouldn't have been a £5K repair!
4rephill said:
ANOpax said:
In true PH style, the OP has asked for people who own a Cali to recount their ownership experiences. And yet loads of folks who haven’t even owned a Ferrari, let alone a Cali are giving their tuppence worth.......
Having owned a Ferrari, it's good to know I can't be included in that statement!ANOpax said:
My advice to the OP - go on to Ferrari chat, use the search function there and you should get the answers you seek from people who own the cars.....
Here's a few to start you off:https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/ferrari-...
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/bad-tran...
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/problems...
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/gearbox-...
(As a member of ferrarichat, these were some of the threads that put me off the idea of owning a California)
ANOpax said:
And BTW, the gearbox issue tends to affect early cars and costs about £5k to fix....
Depends on the fault. The common speed sensor fault may only cost £5K to sort out, but as other owners have found out, if it's a mechanical issue with the gearbox, then the repair costs could be a lot higher than £5K.Nick Mason's California was sold recently - Apparently it had a new gearbox fitted at @ 34K miles (no doubt done under warranty). Out of warranty, I bet that wouldn't have been a £5K repair!
Where as the info I posted was from the owner of a specialist garage who was currently rebuilding one as we discussed it so much more helpful.
4rephill said:
Depends on the fault. The common speed sensor fault may only cost £5K to sort out, but as other owners have found out, if it's a mechanical issue with the gearbox, then the repair costs could be a lot higher than £5K.
Nick Mason's California was sold recently - Apparently it had a new gearbox fitted at @ 34K miles (no doubt done under warranty). Out of warranty, I bet that wouldn't have been a £5K repair!
A new DCT box is £20k. I’m not sure that it’ll cost £10-20k install as you originally suggested. Nick Mason's California was sold recently - Apparently it had a new gearbox fitted at @ 34K miles (no doubt done under warranty). Out of warranty, I bet that wouldn't have been a £5K repair!
ANOpax said:
4rephill said:
Depends on the fault. The common speed sensor fault may only cost £5K to sort out, but as other owners have found out, if it's a mechanical issue with the gearbox, then the repair costs could be a lot higher than £5K.
Nick Mason's California was sold recently - Apparently it had a new gearbox fitted at @ 34K miles (no doubt done under warranty). Out of warranty, I bet that wouldn't have been a £5K repair!
A new DCT box is £20k. I’m not sure that it’ll cost £10-20k install as you originally suggested. Nick Mason's California was sold recently - Apparently it had a new gearbox fitted at @ 34K miles (no doubt done under warranty). Out of warranty, I bet that wouldn't have been a £5K repair!
Surely you should get some quotes - 1 from a good specialist indi, including trailering costs, 1 from a good local indi, and one from Main dealer.
Get them to quote for total rebuild, repair of typical fault, and replacement (with and without core exchange)
Then come back and post some accurate info for the OP rather than speculation as per your post.
jakesmith said:
ANOpax said:
4rephill said:
Depends on the fault. The common speed sensor fault may only cost £5K to sort out, but as other owners have found out, if it's a mechanical issue with the gearbox, then the repair costs could be a lot higher than £5K.
Nick Mason's California was sold recently - Apparently it had a new gearbox fitted at @ 34K miles (no doubt done under warranty). Out of warranty, I bet that wouldn't have been a £5K repair!
A new DCT box is £20k. I’m not sure that it’ll cost £10-20k install as you originally suggested. Nick Mason's California was sold recently - Apparently it had a new gearbox fitted at @ 34K miles (no doubt done under warranty). Out of warranty, I bet that wouldn't have been a £5K repair!
Surely you should get some quotes - 1 from a good specialist indi, including trailering costs, 1 from a good local indi, and one from Main dealer.
Get them to quote for total rebuild, repair of typical fault, and replacement (with and without core exchange)
Then come back and post some accurate info for the OP rather than speculation as per your post.
At what point does a brand new DCT box require a rebuild or a core exchange?
Leave the forum to the adults and take your childish behaviour elsewhere please; it’s most tiresome.
Wow Jake, I don’t come to these parts often but I can quickly see the “characters”.
I don’t own a Ferrari. I’ve never driven one. But, I am very qualified to provide advice based on my experience with this car.
Have I met the high standards to qualify as an SME?
Well, the GPS in the early Californias is gash. I know this as it is the same unit as the Chrysler town and county. Some may know the Dodge Caravan but I had the posh version. But the GPS being s
t doesn’t matter because you will not be using the GPS because you will use Waze.
Although, what may matter is the Bluetooth which was also gash and may be in the Cali if it’s the same quality as in the Chrysler Town and Country.
p.s. It’s an odd area of the forum where you have your credentials checked on the way in!
I don’t own a Ferrari. I’ve never driven one. But, I am very qualified to provide advice based on my experience with this car.
Have I met the high standards to qualify as an SME?
Well, the GPS in the early Californias is gash. I know this as it is the same unit as the Chrysler town and county. Some may know the Dodge Caravan but I had the posh version. But the GPS being s
t doesn’t matter because you will not be using the GPS because you will use Waze. Although, what may matter is the Bluetooth which was also gash and may be in the Cali if it’s the same quality as in the Chrysler Town and Country.
p.s. It’s an odd area of the forum where you have your credentials checked on the way in!
ANOpax said:
Your ignorance is self evident from your posts.
At what point does a brand new DCT box require a rebuild or a core exchange?
Leave the forum to the adults and take your childish behaviour elsewhere please; it’s most tiresome.
Oh dear. I'm using sarcasm to point out the hypocrisy of your self-admittedly guestimated repair cost on a thread where you have attempted to castigate others for doing the same thing. I guess it was too challenging & I appologise for confusing you.At what point does a brand new DCT box require a rebuild or a core exchange?
Leave the forum to the adults and take your childish behaviour elsewhere please; it’s most tiresome.
Oh and whatever happened to this sadly broken promise?
ANOpax said:
Sigh. I give up.
h0b0 said:
Wow Jake, I don’t come to these parts often but I can quickly see the “characters”.
I don’t own a Ferrari. I’ve never driven one. But, I am very qualified to provide advice based on my experience with this car.
Have I met the high standards to qualify as an SME?
Well, the GPS in the early Californias is gash. I know this as it is the same unit as the Chrysler town and county. Some may know the Dodge Caravan but I had the posh version. But the GPS being st doesn’t matter because you will not be using the GPS because you will use Waze.
Although, what may matter is the Bluetooth which was also gash and may be in the Cali if it’s the same quality as in the Chrysler Town and Country.
p.s. It’s an odd area of the forum where you have your credentials checked on the way in!
Firstly I am sure we all appreciate you posting the pic of your car - the perfect colour, and in many ways an upgrade even on a 4 seat Ferarri (that has a design based on the 1 series BMW) - due to the extra storage space and Ferrari-level sat nav system. I don’t own a Ferrari. I’ve never driven one. But, I am very qualified to provide advice based on my experience with this car.
Have I met the high standards to qualify as an SME?
Well, the GPS in the early Californias is gash. I know this as it is the same unit as the Chrysler town and county. Some may know the Dodge Caravan but I had the posh version. But the GPS being s
t doesn’t matter because you will not be using the GPS because you will use Waze. Although, what may matter is the Bluetooth which was also gash and may be in the Cali if it’s the same quality as in the Chrysler Town and Country.
p.s. It’s an odd area of the forum where you have your credentials checked on the way in!
Secondly - I am not the self-styled gate-keeper of the thread - that honor has been bestowed upon ANOrax by himself, as he believes that only owners of a Cali should respond to the OP's request. However it also seems that he doesn't actually own one himself which is a little odd.
Assuming adding to this thread isn't now the preserve of children and/or those on the spectrum, I've previously posted the following which may offer some insight into running costs for a California (2009):
I agree that budgeting £4k (possibly only £3k) per year for servicing (£900-£1200 at a Ferrari main dealer), repairs and consumables is a reasonable assumption. Some years maybe more and hopefully most years less.
jw673 said:
To provide some real world TCO*, and not MMCO, over ~3.5 years for a "bottom of the market with a Ferrari Power warranty" travelling ~14K(brim-brim mean average@~14MPG - "mid range BMW"?) in that time: ~£54k*. ~£3.80 a mile or ~£130 an hour (based on time spent driving).
Cheapest Ferrari Approved (i.e. with 2 years Ferrari warranty):
2011@37k £79,900
2009@24k £85,000
Keep in mind the buy/sell spread on those approved California is likely to be at least £10K, of which the approved warranty element could easily account for £5K of that.
If I could have all the money back that the California has cost me over the years I would take that money and.... buy a California.
*marked to market, private sale. ~45% of which is spread & depreciation. A small amount of elective spending. All servicing & work undertaken at main dealers, nothing covered under the Power Warranty. Includes financing costs (@4.6%APR) for completeness, although those costs had been offset elsewhere.
Total costs per-driven-hour, over ~17k miles, are still running at around £130 (or ~£2 per-driven-minute). If you're able to remove (man maths) dealer spread, depreciation and the cost of money then obviously this number will be lower.Cheapest Ferrari Approved (i.e. with 2 years Ferrari warranty):
2011@37k £79,900
2009@24k £85,000
Keep in mind the buy/sell spread on those approved California is likely to be at least £10K, of which the approved warranty element could easily account for £5K of that.
If I could have all the money back that the California has cost me over the years I would take that money and.... buy a California.
*marked to market, private sale. ~45% of which is spread & depreciation. A small amount of elective spending. All servicing & work undertaken at main dealers, nothing covered under the Power Warranty. Includes financing costs (@4.6%APR) for completeness, although those costs had been offset elsewhere.
I agree that budgeting £4k (possibly only £3k) per year for servicing (£900-£1200 at a Ferrari main dealer), repairs and consumables is a reasonable assumption. Some years maybe more and hopefully most years less.
I’ve a friend who owned the car in the link below from about 6 months old until Dick Lovett bought it back recently.
https://www.dicklovett.co.uk/ferrari/used-cars/201...
He did about 21k miles in it during his time. The thing that stuck in my mind most was the cost of the replacement brake pads (about £2.5k fitted). Although he didn’t share his full running costs with us, he didn’t shy away from main dealer servicing & in his case though never mentioned anything out of the ordinary cost-wise other than the brakes. When he bought the car he was attracted by the massive spec and triple Rosso red F1 2007 paint finish and that the car had a lot of carbon fibre bits.
OP, good luck with your research & if you’re buying in the current market, haggle hard as the dealers are apparently struggling to sell given the uncertainty politically
https://www.dicklovett.co.uk/ferrari/used-cars/201...
He did about 21k miles in it during his time. The thing that stuck in my mind most was the cost of the replacement brake pads (about £2.5k fitted). Although he didn’t share his full running costs with us, he didn’t shy away from main dealer servicing & in his case though never mentioned anything out of the ordinary cost-wise other than the brakes. When he bought the car he was attracted by the massive spec and triple Rosso red F1 2007 paint finish and that the car had a lot of carbon fibre bits.
OP, good luck with your research & if you’re buying in the current market, haggle hard as the dealers are apparently struggling to sell given the uncertainty politically
davek_964 said:
mudnomad said:
Any link for the roof module?
I suspect he means one of these : https://smarttop.shop/Thinking of getting one myself, but worried it would void any warranty issues with my roof.
jakesmith said:
I wish you would
It would hardly be John Lennon leaving the Beatles now would it
And the same applies to you to be honest you’ve added nothing but unpleasantness, fuelled by a sense of importance presumably derived from owning the stupidest car Ferrari have ever made
The forum is open to anyone, I suggest if you want to be in a more exclusive club you go for a drive in your 120d
Hi, just wondering which ferraris you have driven / run to come to the conclusion that the Cali is the stupidest car ferrari have ever made ?It would hardly be John Lennon leaving the Beatles now would it
And the same applies to you to be honest you’ve added nothing but unpleasantness, fuelled by a sense of importance presumably derived from owning the stupidest car Ferrari have ever made
The forum is open to anyone, I suggest if you want to be in a more exclusive club you go for a drive in your 120d
semisane said:
jakesmith said:
I wish you would
It would hardly be John Lennon leaving the Beatles now would it
And the same applies to you to be honest you’ve added nothing but unpleasantness, fuelled by a sense of importance presumably derived from owning the stupidest car Ferrari have ever made
The forum is open to anyone, I suggest if you want to be in a more exclusive club you go for a drive in your 120d
Hi, just wondering which ferraris you have driven / run to come to the conclusion that the Cali is the stupidest car ferrari have ever made ?It would hardly be John Lennon leaving the Beatles now would it
And the same applies to you to be honest you’ve added nothing but unpleasantness, fuelled by a sense of importance presumably derived from owning the stupidest car Ferrari have ever made
The forum is open to anyone, I suggest if you want to be in a more exclusive club you go for a drive in your 120d
jakesmith said:
semisane said:
jakesmith said:
fuelled by a sense of importance presumably derived from owning the stupidest car Ferrari have ever made
Hi, just wondering which ferraris you have driven / run to come to the conclusion that the Cali is the stupidest car ferrari have ever made ?Gassing Station | Ferrari V8 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff