Any info on this 458 please

[LindsayMac]

Superb write up, I just need to get my ass into one of these soon.

[LindsayMac]

Strong money but what a cracker and I do not normally like so much red in the interior. Think you get away with it in a Ferrari though. What a spec.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

[Gibbo205]

Ballistic said:

A great write up Andrew.

How did you find the Huracan Performante, as I'm seriously considering one?

Just like your name, Ballistic!

I drove three Hurracans, RWD 580PS, AWD 610PS and the Performante.

The RWD car in all honesty did not seem any better front-end wise than the AWD car, I drove this on track and in fairness it still understeered quite a bit and the sound was good as was performance, but just something was lacking.

The 610 and Performante were driven on road, the front-end on the Performante feels much better, but I will say this by the time you find yourself understeering your generally going pretty quick and there is not much you can do about it, giving it a massive dose of right food won't provoke, more push in the regular car.

When I was looking this time last year a Performante would of set me back around 210K and a regular 610PS Hurracan around 145-155k.
Like for like cars same Hurracan would be 130-140k now but the Performante would now be around 170-180k, so a big drop on Performante, cannot see them getting much lower.

If money is not an issue, the Performante is mentally fast, has a better front-end and is a much more sorted car and it helps remove some of the Audi feeling found in regular car, its a lot sharper, the chopped carbon fiber interior and exterior is worth premium alone.

Get one in purple with the bronze wheels, avoid the performance bucket seats, I found them truly uncomfortable even for a short 20-30 minute drive, try to get one with regular seats but in my view for sure its best Lamborghini you can buy today that is great as a daily and taking to the track, if its a daily drop the Corsa tyres also, get some regular Michelin PS4S on the car, will help with traction and turn in our colder British weather, if a Summer and dry weekend only car the Corsa tyres be fine.

I'd rate the Performante over the newer Ferrari stuff, its the Lamborghini advantage right now is that NA V10 engine, but for me to feel challenge you gotta be flying, but if you want to beat any car on road, albeit crazy tuned stuff than a Performante will see to that.

[Gibbo205]

LindsayMac said:

Strong money but what a cracker and I do not normally like so much red in the interior. Think you get away with it in a Ferrari though. What a spec.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Indeed, very nice specification and a rare specification too.

[garystoybox]

LindsayMac said:

Strong money but what a cracker and I do not normally like so much red in the interior. Think you get away with it in a Ferrari though. What a spec.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Sorry, think this as naff as it gets. Trying too hard.... I.e. I wanted a Speciale but couldn’t afford one so added gold wheels and sill spoilers to an Italia. Doubt you’d see a main dealer trying to retail this. Also the carbon style wrap ppf rear is chav. Seen this colour on a couple of V8’s and think looks maroon... not popular; possibly on a V12 if you must. Try and find a nice original 458 that has not been molested.... I always thought my first 2011 car had the best ‘sound’ before the 2012 updates. If I was buying another that’s what I’d go for.

Edited by garystoybox on Thursday 12th December 16:57

[LindsayMac]

I kind of like gold wheels with a red Ferrari, I am sure with such a spec the rear is not a wrap, almost guarantee is proper CF.
The inside is a little louder than I like to be honest and I take onboard the colour.

I do see your overall point though.

garystoybox said:

LindsayMac said:

Strong money but what a cracker and I do not normally like so much red in the interior. Think you get away with it in a Ferrari though. What a spec.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Sorry, think this as naff as it gets. Trying too hard.... I.e. I wanted a Speciale but couldn’t afford one so added gold wheels and sill spoilers to an Italia. Doubt you’d see a main dealer trying to retail this. Also the carbon style wrap ppf rear is chav. Seen this colour on a couple of V8’s and think looks maroon... not popular; possibly on a V12 if you must. Try and find a nice original 458 that has not been molested.... I always thought my first 2011 car had the best ‘sound’ before the 2012 updates. If I was buying another that’s what I’d go for.

Edited by garystoybox on Thursday 12th December 16:57

[Durzel]

Also think it looks naff, but I’m a purist. Spec says carbon rear diffuser and doesn’t mention the presumably carbon rear panel, so I’m guessing they have their terms mixed up. CF rear diffuser was several thousand on its own.

Interior is too much red by far, the red carpets would be OTT on a red exterior car, but the red tunnel takes it to the next level.

Very individual car, which is the nicest thing I can say.

[garystoybox]

LindsayMac said:

I am sure with such a spec the rear is not a wrap, almost guarantee is proper CF.

You may be correct, however I had the factory carbon rear grill on one of my 458’s and it didn’t extend down into the rear bumper as far as the crease as shown in this one.
Personally I wouldn’t restrict myself too much on carbon spec with a 458. A nicely looked after car with shields, carbon wheel and upgraded alloys will give you everything you need. I had cars with both the race seats and full electrics and too be honest the electrics were very comfy, but I agree the carbons look the business. Also at this price you could almost get into a 488. Think the 458 looks at a better buy at £125-135k imo. Anyway, enjoy the search and make sure you try and drive as many examples as possible. P.s. the standard roof lining is dreadful (out of place on a Micra) and worth finding upgraded leather/Alcantara.

[LindsayMac]

Gary

I think you may be right about the carbon grill it does extend too far. Just called about 2 others that were specced nice and both good. One from Ferrari dealer, shame. I am out of the country for another week and was hoping to secure before year end. Looks like I require more patience. I have noted your comments, I am not a great road tested. Normally if I turn up to view a car, if it is as described I normally buy, all my legwork done online, I live in Scotland so distance is pain. If anyones knows of somebody send them my way please.

Lindsay

garystoybox said:

You may be correct, however I had the factory carbon rear grill on one of my 458’s and it didn’t extend down into the rear bumper as far as the crease as shown in this one.
Personally I wouldn’t restrict myself too much on carbon spec with a 458. A nicely looked after car with shields, carbon wheel and upgraded alloys will give you everything you need. I had cars with both the race seats and full electrics and too be honest the electrics were very comfy, but I agree the carbons look the business. Also at this price you could almost get into a 488. Think the 458 looks at a better buy at £125-135k imo. Anyway, enjoy the search and make sure you try and drive as many examples as possible. P.s. the standard roof lining is dreadful (out of place on a Micra) and worth finding upgraded leather/Alcantara.

[Gibbo205]

Potential bargain, money pit or a somewhat dodgy car with a 458 in decent specification for less than 90k ?

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...


I've no idea what the score is with this car but I recall it for sale a few months ago, around April for about 115k, it had similar mileage, was also listed as an engine rebuild but was different photos.

So had it sold, new owner wants to move it on already at a huge loss, or did it never sell and then same owner re-listed advert with poor photos.


That aside, potential bargain? Apart from tinted lights and carbon badges its a nice specification car and both those things are no doubt easily fixed, am sure could be a good buy at a cheeky offer of 80-85k, if engine is rebuilt properly then surely it could be good for another 50-100k miles, aside from usual other cost jobs etc.

[Ballistic]

@Gibbo205 - many thanks for your thoughts on the HP. I’ve got a test-drive booked for tomorrow.

[Gibbo205]

Ballistic said:

@Gibbo205 - many thanks for your thoughts on the HP. I’ve got a test-drive booked for tomorrow.

You will be blown away by performance and noise of take the Performante over the EVO every time.

[Ballistic]

Gibbo205 said:

You will be blown away by performance and noise of take the Performante over the EVO every time.

Your right, I was! What a car, so much drama and a real event to drive.

I found the HP to be a much rawer experience than the R8 V10 Plus that I've just sold. The R8 felt like a limo in comparison, the cabin ambience being quieter and it just glides along with a more compliant ride. The HP is like a wild child and your senses pick up on everything whilst driving it. Straight away I could feel that the ride, even in the softest Strada setting was much firmer than the R8 in its hardest setting. The aural aspect of the HP is magnificent. You can play tunes with the exhaust note going up and down the gears in Corsa mode with great pops, bangs and throttle blips on downshifts. I had a BRE Inconel exhaust on the R8 but it still sounded nothing like the HP. Just blipping the throttle at standstill, I was surprised at how freely the revs rose, with a much harder edge to the exhaust note. I had imagined that the engines in both cars would feel quite similar, but if the R8 was a 10 I'd say that Lamborghini has cranked up the V10 in the HP to al least a 12. Inside the cabin ambience just appealed and it feels and looks like a stripped out track day special rather than the more generic Audi layout inside the R8, which is just what I'm after. I found the bucket seats to be very comfortable and IMO really suite the image of the car. As the seats have no padding and hug you, it feels like your sat in a go-kart, which again I found appealing having done a lot of kart racing.

I'm not knocking the R8; it was a great car, offers fantastic value for money and I really enjoyed my time with it. It's just that the HP takes it all to another much higher level.

This is the car that I drove, does anyone know it? Is it a fair price? The dealers keen for me to buy it, but I'm not so sure on the colour.
https://www.sytner.co.uk/car-search/10762640-12902...

[tempt8]

Gibbo205 said:

Potential bargain, money pit or a somewhat dodgy car with a 458 in decent specification for less than 90k ?

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...


I've no idea what the score is with this car but I recall it for sale a few months ago, around April for about 115k, it had similar mileage, was also listed as an engine rebuild but was different photos.

So had it sold, new owner wants to move it on already at a huge loss, or did it never sell and then same owner re-listed advert with poor photos.


That aside, potential bargain? Apart from tinted lights and carbon badges its a nice specification car and both those things are no doubt easily fixed, am sure could be a good buy at a cheeky offer of 80-85k, if engine is rebuilt properly then surely it could be good for another 50-100k miles, aside from usual other cost jobs etc.

Does anyone have anymore info on this car please?

[LindsayMac]

I have enquired and I am considering these 2. Any information on either. Obviously 1 is better value but `I suspect the other may be a better car. Mileage is on my high side as I want to use the car, but I need to be careful I am not hunting a unicorn.


https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Note the current bit on this is around £133,500k as there are 2 other parties interested, or so they say?
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

[Gibbo205]

LindsayMac said:

I have enquired and I am considering these 2. Any information on either. Obviously 1 is better value but `I suspect the other may be a better car. Mileage is on my high side as I want to use the car, but I need to be careful I am not hunting a unicorn.


https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Note the current bit on this is around £133,500k as there are 2 other parties interested, or so they say?
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

First car is very nice, the interior spec is spot on, Ferrari will normally move somewhat on price, BID them 142k and you should be able to deal around 145k. Newer 2012 car so will be running later ECU software, gearbox and damper control unit. Also has a lot of exterior carbon which can put some off on an Italia as it can kind of look out of place, JBL stereo which is nice, does it have carbon engine bay? Ferrari 2yr warranty too thats worth 5k!

Second car does not go into detail on interior but reads as quite a lower spec but the price is very fair indeed, but I feel first car is a better car but higher miles.

I'd be pushing Ferrari for a better deal to be honest.

[garystoybox]

LindsayMac said:

I have enquired and I am considering these 2. Any information on either. Obviously 1 is better value but `I suspect the other may be a better car. Mileage is on my high side as I want to use the car, but I need to be careful I am not hunting a unicorn.


https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Note the current bit on this is around £133,500k as there are 2 other parties interested, or so they say?
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

I think the first car may look very busy with a grey roof, black carbon rear grill against the RC paint. I prefer the 2nd car; Carbon wheel, upgraded wheels, carbon seats and I preferred the engine sound on my earlier pre 2012 car. I thought the JBL was the worst upgrade I’ve ever had in the 458- thank god they improved it for the 488; I wouldn’t be bothered if not specced.

[Taffy66]

Gibbo205 said:

First car is very nice, the interior spec is spot on, Ferrari will normally move somewhat on price, BID them 142k and you should be able to deal around 145k. Newer 2012 car so will be running later ECU software, gearbox and damper control unit. Also has a lot of exterior carbon which can put some off on an Italia as it can kind of look out of place, JBL stereo which is nice, does it have carbon engine bay? Ferrari 2yr warranty too thats worth 5k!

Second car does not go into detail on interior but reads as quite a lower spec but the price is very fair indeed, but I feel first car is a better car but higher miles.

I'd be pushing Ferrari for a better deal to be honest.

I'd be slightly suspicious of the cheaper very low mileage car as 458s are notoriously easy to clock..If the mileage check is OK then its a bargain and i can well believe that there are indeed two other parties bidding on it..Both have the 'must have' CF Racing seats which i'd always want regardless of price..

[LindsayMac]

`Yes I am suspicious of the cheaper car, how do you effectively check the mileage?

Taffy66 said:

I'd be slightly suspicious of the cheaper very low mileage car as 458s are notoriously easy to clock..If the mileage check is OK then its a bargain and i can well believe that there are indeed two other parties bidding on it..Both have the 'must have' CF Racing seats which i'd always want regardless of price..

[DT398]

I think the first car is a better option. Really nice spec. Get the wheels painted gold and it would be perfect! As for getting a deal, my experience of that dealer was they were not very motivated to move on price. I made an offer on one of their 458 spiders back in April and they pretty much refused to budge at all, so I left it. They still have it and have just reduced it by £10k, which is pretty much what I asked for by way of discount back then. It’s sat unsold for 8 months since!

Good luck!