458 Values - again
Discussion
MingtheMerciless said:
It's a subjective thing.
The 488 is objectively a much better car. No-one can really deny that. However, in the 458 you get to wring it out gloriously for another 1000 rpm. In the 488 you just short shift as there is no benefit or point and you keep running into the redline if you don't - this also impacts on the potential the engine/exhaust has to work with for aural drama, as well as it actually not doing as good a job to make it fun. You make dramatically more progress (not always good) with dramatically less drama (not always bad).
So rather than chopping my 458 in to get a better and more expensive to run track car which in my subjective opinion (and if you disagree based on your experience, you know what, you are right) is a bit less fun, I ordered an Atom 4.
this, what you have to remember is many 458 owners tried the 488 and didn't deem it to be a significant enough change from the 458 to warrant the cash whereas the difference between 355->360 360->430 430->458 was gigantic and worth the expense. this has helped paint the 488 in a bad lightThe 488 is objectively a much better car. No-one can really deny that. However, in the 458 you get to wring it out gloriously for another 1000 rpm. In the 488 you just short shift as there is no benefit or point and you keep running into the redline if you don't - this also impacts on the potential the engine/exhaust has to work with for aural drama, as well as it actually not doing as good a job to make it fun. You make dramatically more progress (not always good) with dramatically less drama (not always bad).
So rather than chopping my 458 in to get a better and more expensive to run track car which in my subjective opinion (and if you disagree based on your experience, you know what, you are right) is a bit less fun, I ordered an Atom 4.
Edited by MingtheMerciless on Friday 3rd January 10:26
for me personally the 488 doesn't excite me much over the 458, the brakes are much better though imo
I just drove the 458 spider and the 488 GTB on short test drives. I have driven the 458 before and it is an awesome car and a lot smoother than the F430 over bumps. The 488 was incredible, felt like a bigger car and very fast. It handled country roads really well and the controls were excellent. Sadly it reminded me of the 997 variant of the 911 I drove after selling my 993 and 996. So good that it was almost boring. I think a longer drive is needed. They look beautiful, prices are dropping fast, warranties and service plans are still valid so a lot going for it and the exhaust can always be upgraded after-market. I remember the wails from the Porsche community when the water cooled 911 came along and then again when the 6 cylinder models got replaced. It's called progress and generally it is a good thing.
I just wish I could sell my lovely F430 Spider - that would make bargaining very interesting.
I just wish I could sell my lovely F430 Spider - that would make bargaining very interesting.
johnjstewart said:
I just drove the 458 spider and the 488 GTB on short test drives. I have driven the 458 before and it is an awesome car and a lot smoother than the F430 over bumps. The 488 was incredible, felt like a bigger car and very fast. It handled country roads really well and the controls were excellent. Sadly it reminded me of the 997 variant of the 911 I drove after selling my 993 and 996. So good that it was almost boring. I think a longer drive is needed. They look beautiful, prices are dropping fast, warranties and service plans are still valid so a lot going for it and the exhaust can always be upgraded after-market. I remember the wails from the Porsche community when the water cooled 911 came along and then again when the 6 cylinder models got replaced. It's called progress and generally it is a good thing.
I just wish I could sell my lovely F430 Spider - that would make bargaining very interesting.
That is exactly why I did not buy a 488 or a Hurracan, because too me it was too good, too fast, I could not enjoy it at legal speeds. Gotta work the engine in the 458 but by doing so to me it was so much more rewarding, for me 458 simply delivered the smile, fun, specialness factor in massive doses, the 488 though faster and better did not sway me, after driving all the cars the 458 was the one I kept going back to, its simply just so good.I just wish I could sell my lovely F430 Spider - that would make bargaining very interesting.
Rari said:
This is the cheapest Speciale I’ve seen in RHD. If it only it was in red or blue for me.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
It's apparently now jumped in value since this morning by £70k !https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
I wish these dealers would check their prices before listing. There is another official Ferrari dealer who has mis priced a Speciale on at least 2 separate occasions. They seem far too relaxed about the mis-pricing when you call.
BMW A6 said:
Saw a 488 GTB pootling around at 20mph in town traffic and it sounded so disappointing.
Looked great.
Sounded awfully muted.
All that is needed to cure that is this: https://www.supertweaks.com/ferrari/ferrari-exhaus...Looked great.
Sounded awfully muted.
Sounds amazing with the valves open
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2020...
Thoughts on this car at Graypaul Nottingham?
Not keen on the wheels myself
Thoughts on this car at Graypaul Nottingham?
Not keen on the wheels myself
jjr1 said:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2020...
Thoughts on this car at Graypaul Nottingham?
Not keen on the wheels myself
Wheels look fine to me, but the price is high given the ageThoughts on this car at Graypaul Nottingham?
Not keen on the wheels myself
jjr1 said:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2020...
Thoughts on this car at Graypaul Nottingham?
Not keen on the wheels myself
Very early 458 which in itself not a problem..Those wheels are the standard heavy cast ones which render 458s unsaleable unless very cheap..The seats are also the standard ones which normally make a 458 £10K cheaper than another similar 458 with the Carbon racing seats..At £135K it should have both the optional forged wheels and Carbon seats otherwise as it is about £10-15K overpriced IMO.Thoughts on this car at Graypaul Nottingham?
Not keen on the wheels myself
Durzel said:
Agree with the above. Standard seats and wheels is not great, so is definitely overpriced.
Not sure, similar cars with wheels/seats have recently been selling at 145-150+ at dealers. Given its a main dealer car and will come with warranty I think the price is about right.As my friend who has recently been trying to buy a decent 458 found out - the well specced cars are selling well for good money still - a lot are only hitting the classifieds for a matter of hours before getting sold. There are the same poorly specced cars hanging around in the classifieds for weeks at a time, but these aren't really representative of the market for a "good" car.
Order66 said:
Not sure, similar cars with wheels/seats have recently been selling at 145-150+ at dealers. Given its a main dealer car and will come with warranty I think the price is about right.
As my friend who has recently been trying to buy a decent 458 found out - the well specced cars are selling well for good money still - a lot are only hitting the classifieds for a matter of hours before getting sold. There are the same poorly specced cars hanging around in the classifieds for weeks at a time, but these aren't really representative of the market for a "good" car.
A well specced 458 in a good colour and low mileage with FFSH are selling better than virtually any car currently on the market..Spec is key and both the forged wheels and Carbon seats are 'must haves' to aid saleability and achieve top prices.As my friend who has recently been trying to buy a decent 458 found out - the well specced cars are selling well for good money still - a lot are only hitting the classifieds for a matter of hours before getting sold. There are the same poorly specced cars hanging around in the classifieds for weeks at a time, but these aren't really representative of the market for a "good" car.
As others have pointed out, the specification is undesirable, its more or less poverty specification but at least its got the LED wheel.
Comfort seats are OK but the bucket seats (large) looks fabulous, I find are comfortable for 3-4hr and they weigh far less than the comfort seats.
That car has the much heavier cast wheels, hurts resale a lot.
At 119k from a main dealer it would be a steal, at 129k I guess it is priced fair considering 2yr warranty, but its an early car, hopefully it has not been clocked something to look at closely on MOT history, service history and get Ferrari to confirm as clocking is a major issue on Ferrari's the cars with truly low mileage advertised I'd be very dubious over.
Maybe see if the selling dealer can swap the wheels out to make a deal happen, but 458 sales do seem pretty decent at moment, cars are selling and dealerships are trying to buy cars.
Right now the cars on the market on generally poor spec, mega high miles or massively over priced low mileage examples, but 458 values seem pretty solid whereas 488 values continue to drop to the point some are now cheaper than 458's and I foresee it becoming a trend as in the end the 458 will always be the more desirable car over a 488, certainly to myself anyway, NA, 9000rpm, more fun at legal speeds on the road far outweighs the performance benefit of the 488 and the 488 sounds nowhere near as good not even with an exhaust.
Comfort seats are OK but the bucket seats (large) looks fabulous, I find are comfortable for 3-4hr and they weigh far less than the comfort seats.
That car has the much heavier cast wheels, hurts resale a lot.
At 119k from a main dealer it would be a steal, at 129k I guess it is priced fair considering 2yr warranty, but its an early car, hopefully it has not been clocked something to look at closely on MOT history, service history and get Ferrari to confirm as clocking is a major issue on Ferrari's the cars with truly low mileage advertised I'd be very dubious over.
Maybe see if the selling dealer can swap the wheels out to make a deal happen, but 458 sales do seem pretty decent at moment, cars are selling and dealerships are trying to buy cars.
Right now the cars on the market on generally poor spec, mega high miles or massively over priced low mileage examples, but 458 values seem pretty solid whereas 488 values continue to drop to the point some are now cheaper than 458's and I foresee it becoming a trend as in the end the 458 will always be the more desirable car over a 488, certainly to myself anyway, NA, 9000rpm, more fun at legal speeds on the road far outweighs the performance benefit of the 488 and the 488 sounds nowhere near as good not even with an exhaust.
jjr1 said:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2020...
Thoughts on this car at Graypaul Nottingham?
Not keen on the wheels myself
Putting the pontificating about price to one side, the rear shot suggests the diffuser has had a good smack as it does not seem to be seated properly (it seems the mounts get broken above the diffuser and are difficult/expensive to replace, they then get glued but that doesn't really work and then the diffuser doesn't align quite right with the bumper)Thoughts on this car at Graypaul Nottingham?
Not keen on the wheels myself
BobTurner said:
jjr1 said:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2020...
Thoughts on this car at Graypaul Nottingham?
Not keen on the wheels myself
Putting the pontificating about price to one side, the rear shot suggests the diffuser has had a good smack as it does not seem to be seated properly (it seems the mounts get broken above the diffuser and are difficult/expensive to replace, they then get glued but that doesn't really work and then the diffuser doesn't align quite right with the bumper)Thoughts on this car at Graypaul Nottingham?
Not keen on the wheels myself
jjr1 said:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2020...
Thoughts on this car at Graypaul Nottingham?
Not keen on the wheels myself
I drove this car a few weeks back. It was a very clean example, and couldn't see any evidence of a rear end "smack" as one of the posts above was suspicious of - think it's more down to the angle of the photo. The car drove very well and the dealer was exceptionally good. In the end I bought a different 458 as I couldn't get on with the comfort seats, as I felt like I was sitting on the car, not in the car.Thoughts on this car at Graypaul Nottingham?
Not keen on the wheels myself
You need to try them for yourself to see if they work for you. Personally, I ended up buying one in Resale Red with Nero carbon race seats and forged wheels. The 458 is an epic car, I can highly recommend it !
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