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I think the 360 went through a phase of looking dated and the 430 emphasised that is it’s more modern and sharp looking.
But I think the 360 has gone past that and for me has a classic Ferrari look that newer cars have lost. When I see the 360 on the road, I can see the essence of the 360’s racing at Le Mans. The rear view with challenge grille looks great. The front view which I didn’t like, now looks classy and elegant. The profile is fantastic too.
And to drive, they have enough rawness to set your spine tingling yet you can drive it all day. It’s probably the last analogue feeling Ferrari.
Dare I say it, the newer cars are maybe a bit to good, maybe not quite raw enough, maybe a bit too digital.
Its each to his own, and this probably is daft, but in pre 430 Ferrari’s I see passion in the car coming from the ethos and those who designed and built it, but after that I see them increasingly being produced as a commodity.
But I think the 360 has gone past that and for me has a classic Ferrari look that newer cars have lost. When I see the 360 on the road, I can see the essence of the 360’s racing at Le Mans. The rear view with challenge grille looks great. The front view which I didn’t like, now looks classy and elegant. The profile is fantastic too.
And to drive, they have enough rawness to set your spine tingling yet you can drive it all day. It’s probably the last analogue feeling Ferrari.
Dare I say it, the newer cars are maybe a bit to good, maybe not quite raw enough, maybe a bit too digital.
Its each to his own, and this probably is daft, but in pre 430 Ferrari’s I see passion in the car coming from the ethos and those who designed and built it, but after that I see them increasingly being produced as a commodity.
blueg33 said:
I think the 360 went through a phase of looking dated and the 430 emphasised that is it’s more modern and sharp looking.
But I think the 360 has gone past that and for me has a classic Ferrari look that newer cars have lost. When I see the 360 on the road, I can see the essence of the 360’s racing at Le Mans. The rear view with challenge grille looks great. The front view which I didn’t like, now looks classy and elegant. The profile is fantastic too.
And to drive, they have enough rawness to set your spine tingling yet you can drive it all day. It’s probably the last analogue feeling Ferrari.
Dare I say it, the newer cars are maybe a bit to good, maybe not quite raw enough, maybe a bit too digital.
Its each to his own, and this probably is daft, but in pre 430 Ferrari’s I see passion in the car coming from the ethos and those who designed and built it, but after that I see them increasingly being produced as a commodity.
I was lucky enough to hear a couple of them out on a drive one day for a few miles, they both had modified exhaust and probably the best noise ive heard on a car on the move.But I think the 360 has gone past that and for me has a classic Ferrari look that newer cars have lost. When I see the 360 on the road, I can see the essence of the 360’s racing at Le Mans. The rear view with challenge grille looks great. The front view which I didn’t like, now looks classy and elegant. The profile is fantastic too.
And to drive, they have enough rawness to set your spine tingling yet you can drive it all day. It’s probably the last analogue feeling Ferrari.
Dare I say it, the newer cars are maybe a bit to good, maybe not quite raw enough, maybe a bit too digital.
Its each to his own, and this probably is daft, but in pre 430 Ferrari’s I see passion in the car coming from the ethos and those who designed and built it, but after that I see them increasingly being produced as a commodity.
craig511 said:
Evening all.
Sorry for being a bit quiet on this, been so busy its unreal.
I have read every link posted my everyone here including the VERY informative guide to 360 and 430s. An amazing resource.
So I went into this pretty clear in my mind what I wanted, a red 360.
Now though I cant decide between a 360, 430 and even a California.
360
Childhood dream car, looks great, sounds great. It seems you can get a decent example on my budget for £65k. However they are approx 20yrs old and the inside defo gives that away a bit
430
I must say this looks great and can see why it was mentioned above. Slightly newer inside, looks amazing if not better than the 360 (maybe) but for a "decent" one I would probably need £70k. Sticky buttons seems annoying but no belts every 3 years to do unlike a 360.
California.
Never ever considered it, but the more i look at it , the more i like it. For £70k, even £65k, you can seem to get a good example, its much more modern tech inside and out and seem fairly robust cars. Unlike the cars above which I would be happy with other colours rather than just red, the California would defo have to be red, no other colour works for me.
So I am now at a point of trying to chose between the 3 and I think right now the F430 wins. Arrgghh, I just dont know.
it sounds like you're not too fussed about the actual driving experience so in that case I'd go for the one you think looks best!
Sorry for being a bit quiet on this, been so busy its unreal.
I have read every link posted my everyone here including the VERY informative guide to 360 and 430s. An amazing resource.
So I went into this pretty clear in my mind what I wanted, a red 360.
Now though I cant decide between a 360, 430 and even a California.
360
Childhood dream car, looks great, sounds great. It seems you can get a decent example on my budget for £65k. However they are approx 20yrs old and the inside defo gives that away a bit
430
I must say this looks great and can see why it was mentioned above. Slightly newer inside, looks amazing if not better than the 360 (maybe) but for a "decent" one I would probably need £70k. Sticky buttons seems annoying but no belts every 3 years to do unlike a 360.
California.
Never ever considered it, but the more i look at it , the more i like it. For £70k, even £65k, you can seem to get a good example, its much more modern tech inside and out and seem fairly robust cars. Unlike the cars above which I would be happy with other colours rather than just red, the California would defo have to be red, no other colour works for me.
So I am now at a point of trying to chose between the 3 and I think right now the F430 wins. Arrgghh, I just dont know.
it sounds like you're not too fussed about the actual driving experience so in that case I'd go for the one you think looks best!
About 8 years ago I had a 360 Spider Manual, with a Tubi exhaust. That was the most fun car I have owned, the engine, the noise, the shape, the manual box, what a driving experience. After it went I went to test a F1 430 Spider, and it just didn't make me smile like a the 360 did. Many years later after trying modern cars, I crave for the 360 again. I think the interior is perfectly fine in the 360, it has everything you need and is minimalist to enjoy the fantastic driving experience. For 65K i'd say 360 is the one, get a really nice and clean one, that's been loved and enjoy the Ferrari experience.
DKL said:
No one has mentioned a 612? Bottom of the options cost wise but doable . Proper v12 but not a sportscar.
Do you need (or would it be nice to have) 4 seats I suppose.
The Ferrari that Ferrari should never have made.Do you need (or would it be nice to have) 4 seats I suppose.
andyleeds said:
456? decent chunk below £60k now......
The other Ferrari that Ferrari should never have made.Pulse00 said:
DKL said:
No one has mentioned a 612? Bottom of the options cost wise but doable . Proper v12 but not a sportscar.
Do you need (or would it be nice to have) 4 seats I suppose.
The Ferrari that Ferrari should never have made.Do you need (or would it be nice to have) 4 seats I suppose.
andyleeds said:
456? decent chunk below £60k now......
The other Ferrari that Ferrari should never have made.
I have to admit, the last post for me anyway, hits the nail on the head. Those two cars I would never buy even if they were dirt cheap. I think maybe £5k!
Anyway IM still undecided. I wont be doing anything until I hear about my current work situation in the next 2-3 weeks. If its all good, then ferarri time here we come.
But to all here, you all have been a great help. I am way more knowledgeable about the pitfalls of each car etc.
Anyway IM still undecided. I wont be doing anything until I hear about my current work situation in the next 2-3 weeks. If its all good, then ferarri time here we come.
But to all here, you all have been a great help. I am way more knowledgeable about the pitfalls of each car etc.
andyleeds said:
360’s for me are the v8 equivalent of a your opinion of the 456 & 612 ??
Years ago, when I bought a 348 I would have agreed with you. 360s didn't appeal to me at all.I think they aged well though, and I was more than happy to buy mine 6.5 years ago. And it is the most fun car I've ever owned.
FezSpider said:
Pulse00 said:
I'd be choosing a F430 over a 360
Were would you buy a F430 for 65k? Edited by rat rod on Thursday 5th March 22:22
craig511 said:
I have to admit, the last post for me anyway, hits the nail on the head. Those two cars I would never buy even if they were dirt cheap. I think maybe £5k!
Anyway IM still undecided. I wont be doing anything until I hear about my current work situation in the next 2-3 weeks. If its all good, then ferarri time here we come.
But to all here, you all have been a great help. I am way more knowledgeable about the pitfalls of each car etc.
Would you like to buy a 612 for £5k? I have one going and love your username so it's only available to you. 8,000 miles from new, FSH, like new. Let me know.Anyway IM still undecided. I wont be doing anything until I hear about my current work situation in the next 2-3 weeks. If its all good, then ferarri time here we come.
But to all here, you all have been a great help. I am way more knowledgeable about the pitfalls of each car etc.
rat rod said:
FezSpider said:
Pulse00 said:
I'd be choosing a F430 over a 360
Were would you buy a F430 for 65k? Edited by rat rod on Thursday 5th March 22:22
Never really followed 430 prices, never realized they have lost so much.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2019...
Edited by FezSpider on Thursday 5th March 23:08
FezSpider said:
rat rod said:
FezSpider said:
Pulse00 said:
I'd be choosing a F430 over a 360
Were would you buy a F430 for 65k? Edited by rat rod on Thursday 5th March 22:22
Never really followed 430 prices, never realized they have lost so much.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2019...
Edited by FezSpider on Thursday 5th March 23:08
Its not much difference, but if you want to save a few more pennies, that 2005 one has the cheaper road tax, my car was new at the end of 2006 and missed that dead line by a few months. I think it’s about £250 P.A., whereas I’m £550.
Mileage, pay more for less if you want, won’t make the car any better, the consumable parts, ball joints, exhausts etc go wrong with age anyway and the engine, gearbox, electrics etc seem to me to be very well engineered. If that’s a well looked after car with no big accident history, it could be as good as a car twice the price. I reckoned your money is safer on a cheaper one and you can really enjoy it to the full with not much to lose, worst case scenario, even as a pile of broken junk, a ferrari is still worth quite a bit.
Mileage, pay more for less if you want, won’t make the car any better, the consumable parts, ball joints, exhausts etc go wrong with age anyway and the engine, gearbox, electrics etc seem to me to be very well engineered. If that’s a well looked after car with no big accident history, it could be as good as a car twice the price. I reckoned your money is safer on a cheaper one and you can really enjoy it to the full with not much to lose, worst case scenario, even as a pile of broken junk, a ferrari is still worth quite a bit.
OP mentions at the start that he actually has 85k to spend, but plans to blow 20k of it on a Merc ML for transporting a guide dog puppy.
Radical thought, but what about dropping the 4x4 budget to 10k and spending the extra on the Ferrari? Must be loads of decent 4x4s for nearer 10k that would be perfectly suitable transport for a guide dog, and 75k would give you a lot more choice in the Ferrari market...
Radical thought, but what about dropping the 4x4 budget to 10k and spending the extra on the Ferrari? Must be loads of decent 4x4s for nearer 10k that would be perfectly suitable transport for a guide dog, and 75k would give you a lot more choice in the Ferrari market...
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