Which of these 458's?

Which of these 458's?

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WCZ

7,738 posts

150 months

Tuesday 7th July
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Slippydiff said:
Indeed you do, and if you're not prepared to pay the going price, that's your choice.
But if outright pace is your sole metric for a car, you may as well get a 720S and be done with it. However, if you appreciate a proper N/A engine and the noise it makes and a car that's recognised as the last N/A iteration of a V8 mid engined Ferrari made, your choices are rather limited. That's the reason prices have remained strong, and whether you think they're overpriced or not. makes not a jot difference, because you do not maketh the market.
this.

it's not all about performance and the 458 as a road car sits in the absolute sweet spot of it. not to mention every single other aspect

it's not even hype that keeps the prices high imo, it's actual opinions of owners and those who have driven them who aren't intrested in newer models

LordOfTheManor

807 posts

67 months

Tuesday 7th July
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MrVert said:
DT398 said:
The other red one at greypaul is nicer, if only for the seats (and another £3k)

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
I’d second this. The carbon racing seats are superb and really add to the experience.
I too think this one is the nicer one! (The receptionist is the nicest person at Graypaul without a doubt)


Edited by LordOfTheManor on Tuesday 7th July 17:41

IainF

109 posts

211 months

Wednesday 8th July
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Another vote for the Graypaul car, out of the first two. The Romans car has non-standard wheels, sports suspension (not sure what that is), custom exhaust and lacks the Ferrari warranty you would get from Graypaul. All of those things would put me off.

As for the other cars, you need to decide what you are looking for in terms of specification - seats, carbon, style and colour of wheels, lift, etc. Make an appointment and spend a morning in an approved dealer showroom. Chat with the sales person, and just look at the specification on the cars they have in (458s and 488s). That's a really good way of getting your thoughts straight on what you like and don't like. Personally I like either the Goldrake or Daytona seats over the standard seats, with a bit of interior carbon, to just lift the cockpit that little bit. That's where you spend your time. In terms of exterior colour most people chose red the first time out, and it is probably better for re-sale, but I do think the shape really suits white, grey or silver.

Finally, my impression is that these are selling strongly at the moment, so if you do see one you really like, and are ready to buy, then I wouldn't hang around.

Stevieandrew

4 posts

110 months

Thursday 9th July
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Hi, I have been watching prices for a while considering a move from Porsche. I think the prices are definitely softening with Ferrari used approved cars in the £120k and £130k band whereas pre COVID they were all generally £140k +
I have worked through a good deal with a dealer for a 458 with great spec and only thing holding me back is risk of taking a severe hit if a deep recession hits. All the points above I agree with entirely, the 458 is a very special car and will retain a cult following as it ages. Like the 355 it’s looks will stand the test of time and that noise!
I guess it comes down to your propensity for risk and that’s what I’m struggling with as we face the unknown economic circumstances. This would be my most expensive car purchase and I wouldn’t want the experience spoiled by getting my trousers taken down if it ended up as a £70k car. Decisions decisions......
To the OP I would Personally choose the gray Paul car as the cabin spec is really nice with the right seats, looks great.

fridaypassion

5,027 posts

184 months

Thursday 9th July
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I've come through the same process. My view is that its £470 a month for me and in 2 to 3 years when the finance deal is up we will likely be in a boom period and values may well have gone up. The 458 is a completely ludicrous car at 130 grand its a top flight supercar just about the last semi analogue car of its type. I've bought mine to use and enjoy I don't really care about values I'm not going to let a drop in value spoil my enjoyment of a car I never even dreamed I would own. If it blows 20 to 30k so be it. You'd lose more on a 570 and not have the memory of that NA v8 to look back on! Personally I think they will be 120 or less over winter and like probably everything else when we've had our jabs the economy is going to go ballistic and the prices will recover. I do think there are too many of them to see meaningful appreciation though.

LordOfTheManor

807 posts

67 months

Thursday 9th July
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Stevieandrew said:
Hi, I have been watching prices for a while considering a move from Porsche. I think the prices are definitely softening with Ferrari used approved cars in the £120k and £130k band whereas pre COVID they were all generally £140k +
I have worked through a good deal with a dealer for a 458 with great spec and only thing holding me back is risk of taking a severe hit if a deep recession hits. All the points above I agree with entirely, the 458 is a very special car and will retain a cult following as it ages. Like the 355 it’s looks will stand the test of time and that noise!
I guess it comes down to your propensity for risk and that’s what I’m struggling with as we face the unknown economic circumstances. This would be my most expensive car purchase and I wouldn’t want the experience spoiled by getting my trousers taken down if it ended up as a £70k car. Decisions decisions......
To the OP I would Personally choose the gray Paul car as the cabin spec is really nice with the right seats, looks great.
Graypaul are charging more for the same car since the pandemic ! - not the time to buy at all

fridaypassion

5,027 posts

184 months

Thursday 9th July
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JCT had reduced some of theirs by about 5k.

Greypaul were stupid on my px valuation and were chasing up afterwards too. The market has gone nuts for most things but I still think the basic problems with the supercarmarket from before the pandemic persist. GP could have had some easy business from me as they had the best car when I was looking but when I say stupid they bid 10 grand less than anyone else. Not the time for lowballing folk on PX when used stock is scarce.

LordOfTheManor

807 posts

67 months

Thursday 9th July
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Graypaul's white spider has gone up £4k in the last week

Taffy66

3,910 posts

58 months

Thursday 9th July
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On the first day after lockdown was lifted i phoned up a main Ferrari dealer with a serious intention to buy a nice 488 they had for sale..I wasn't quibbling on this 488 as it had been reduced that morning to a realistic price..The issue was the PX they offered for my Atelier spec 458 which was over £20k less than my realistic expectation..
Needless to say the deal never happened and i've still got my 458..Very strange business practices dealers have at present....!

chippy348

425 posts

103 months

Thursday 9th July
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The only thing i will add to this is, GP B-ham have messed me around with a 458 for the last 4 weeks ! Deposit placed on June 13 shocking service from one of there sales guys meant today i have asked for my deposit back knowing that i have got to spend more to buy a similar car.

Its been an emotional few weeks i can tell you.

garystoybox

367 posts

73 months

Thursday 9th July
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chippy348 said:
The only thing i will add to this is, GP B-ham have messed me around with a 458 for the last 4 weeks ! Deposit placed on June 13 shocking service from one of there sales guys meant today i have asked for my deposit back knowing that i have got to spend more to buy a similar car.

Its been an emotional few weeks i can tell you.
I wouldn’t deal with that shower. Lack of integrity from my experience; never again.

fridaypassion

5,027 posts

184 months

Friday 10th July
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Sounds like they need a new SM

Regy53

79 posts

87 months

Friday 10th July
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chippy348 said:
The only thing i will add to this is, GP B-ham have messed me around with a 458 for the last 4 weeks ! Deposit placed on June 13 shocking service from one of there sales guys meant today i have asked for my deposit back knowing that i have got to spend more to buy a similar car.

Its been an emotional few weeks i can tell you.
which car? I test drove a 458 6 weeks ago there found them nice enough

chippy348

425 posts

103 months

Friday 10th July
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Regy53 said:
which car? I test drove a 458 6 weeks ago there found them nice enough
The same car, do you remember what the sales man was called ?

Regy53

79 posts

87 months

Friday 10th July
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the red italia with black carbon seats?? nice

I was dealing with Malcolm.

How comes you have a hold up?

LordOfTheManor

807 posts

67 months

Friday 10th July
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chippy348 said:
The only thing i will add to this is, GP B-ham have messed me around with a 458 for the last 4 weeks ! Deposit placed on June 13 shocking service from one of there sales guys meant today i have asked for my deposit back knowing that i have got to spend more to buy a similar car.

Its been an emotional few weeks i can tell you.
This comes has no surprise - they think they are doing you a favor banghead

LordOfTheManor

807 posts

67 months

Friday 10th July
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Taffy66 said:
On the first day after lockdown was lifted i phoned up a main Ferrari dealer with a serious intention to buy a nice 488 they had for sale..I wasn't quibbling on this 488 as it had been reduced that morning to a realistic price..The issue was the PX they offered for my Atelier spec 458 which was over £20k less than my realistic expectation..
Needless to say the deal never happened and i've still got my 458..Very strange business practices dealers have at present....!
the busy man is never wise and the wise man is never busy - try telling that to them !

chippy348

425 posts

103 months

Friday 10th July
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Regy53 said:
the red italia with black carbon seats?? nice

I was dealing with Malcolm.

How comes you have a hold up?
Painting of the inlet manifolds, as you said they looked tired, it was not driven by me as they mentioned it on the phone before I viewed it.
The way this has been handled and the 3 missed delivery dates has been shocking.

They were going to put the car back together like this



I said I cannot believe any mechanic would fit that back on the engine looking like that !

They then set about trying to clean them with wheel cleaner and failed (as I said it would) they then asked if I could assist in refinishing the throttle bodies as it is one of our lines of work, I agreed then they dragged their feet in getting them to me so I just said give me my deposit back please, enough was enough, 4 weeks to sort a simple job out is crazy.

Horrendous experience to be honest.

Going to view 2 cars tomorrow which to be fair are better cars, well hopefully

Regy53

79 posts

87 months

Friday 10th July
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Ah I’m glad they mentioned it as they tried to say they were fine to me. Tbh that car was from Scotland by the history and it shows in things like striker bolts. I’m out atm but I’ll upload some pics later. The sales guy got his fitter out to me to tell me it’s all normal. The car I ended up with also had crinkle issues but zero bolts were rusty etc

Regy53

79 posts

87 months

Friday 10th July
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Ok i actually never took a photo it seems but basically the striker bolts on the door catches etc were rusty which to me says winter / salty air the more i looked the worse it got.

When i viewed the car the first time it was not preped it was literally just after covid and the dealer said come back in two weeks it will all be preped they reckoned the engine bay would be tidy. Made another appt and went back, had to wait 45 mins as the car wasn't ready and yep you guessed it they hadn't done a thing to it bar a service wash so thinking back im glad i swerved that one.

Did get your deposit back. The car at Clinkard looks good value i was going to look at that but the 458 really needs to be bright imo .

Untitled by Ross c, on Flickr

look at all the rust here
Untitled by Ross c, on Flickr

Untitled by Ross c, on Flickr

Untitled by Ross c, on Flickr

Untitled by Ross c, on Flickr

it was pretty though, all the tyres needed changing the were very cracked and original imo



BUT

the car i bought had the same issue, they agreed to sort at their cost however it was 6 weeks away as the company that does it was covid 19 staffed. So we have agreed that they will collect it in the winter to resolve (fine by me) so the fact that GP could get this done i must say is a good thing. I think you dodged a bullet tbh


the dealers know this is a issue now as from taking delivery of mine and driving it a few miles you can see bits have peeled / chipped away leaving red paint where they tried to tidy it up, i assume they are fully aware of the cost etc it takes to sort this so hope that some people wont notice.

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Edited by Regy53 on Friday 10th July 20:19