458 thoughts....
Discussion
Curledge said:
Speciales are crazy prices already.
If Pistas drop i can see that having knock on effect to the standard 458 and cap any big price increases
The Pista is an incredible car IMHO
I agree, I love the 458, but a pista is an amazing car and if they got anywhere near close in price I would 100% have the pista. If Pistas drop i can see that having knock on effect to the standard 458 and cap any big price increases
The Pista is an incredible car IMHO
However, as the cheapest pista on AT is £270k, 458’s would have to go up a long way to get close!!
Curledge said:
Speciales are crazy prices already.
If Pistas drop i can see that having knock on effect to the standard 458 and cap any big price increases
The Pista is an incredible car IMHO
I agree, I love the 458, but a pista is an amazing car and if they got anywhere near close in price I would 100% have the pista. If Pistas drop i can see that having knock on effect to the standard 458 and cap any big price increases
The Pista is an incredible car IMHO
However, as the cheapest pista on AT is £270k, 458’s would have to go up a long way to get close!!
Chris355 said:
I agree, I love the 458, but a pista is an amazing car and if they got anywhere near close in price I would 100% have the pista.
However, as the cheapest pista on AT is £270k, 458’s would have to go up a long way to get close!!
This.However, as the cheapest pista on AT is £270k, 458’s would have to go up a long way to get close!!
When I say 458's may do well this year, I don't mean as in 200k plus well, unless of course a very late 14/15 delivery miles goes up for sale which has happened a few times before anyway.
I just mean the regular 458 probably won't see any falls this year and could see around a 5-10k uplift in retail prices, which even if a Pista drops to 250k there will still be quite some difference in price, though I think any Pista at 250k will probably be a high mileage or LHD example. I think around 270-280k the Pista seems to be good value for money. The Speciale ship has sailed though, I don't see good RHD examples coming down unless the market gets flooded which seems highly unlikely considering the limited numbers sold in first place, would not be surprised at all to see Speciale's going for 500k plus in a few years and the Aperta models at 1M and over, a truly special car and their increase will for sure help drag regular 458's up a few quid to the point where a good 458 will cost more than a good 488.
As with all things, the 488 and Pista are a better car, but faster or better never actually means it is the one you may want, when I was car shopping I drove a whole host of cars and in the end I think the 458 was one of the older contenders and most definetely the slowest but it had a magic none of the other cars could rival, that is why I got it and three years later I still have it and I seriously cannot think of a replacement, apart from a Speciale but at 300k plus to me its not worth it as I don't think its double the car and the other half would not be happy because its got a smaller frunk.
Most Ferrari specials are double the price of the vanilla regular production car.
I can see why the Speciale as the last NA V8 Ferrari will hold its money a bit more but TBH they are not that rare or limited in production numbers either so I wouldnt get to carried away with the hype.
I test drove a F8 Tributo a few weeks ago and even though it might be based on a 458 I was blown away by how big a step up it was in every dept bar sound which can easily be addressed by an aftermarket exhaust. A F8 will also be a lot rarer than 458 and represents better VFM IMHO
Yes the 458 is a great car but its old and slow now in comparison so will have a ceiling price bar a garage queen collectors car with delivery mileage.
I can see why the Speciale as the last NA V8 Ferrari will hold its money a bit more but TBH they are not that rare or limited in production numbers either so I wouldnt get to carried away with the hype.
I test drove a F8 Tributo a few weeks ago and even though it might be based on a 458 I was blown away by how big a step up it was in every dept bar sound which can easily be addressed by an aftermarket exhaust. A F8 will also be a lot rarer than 458 and represents better VFM IMHO
Yes the 458 is a great car but its old and slow now in comparison so will have a ceiling price bar a garage queen collectors car with delivery mileage.
Curledge said:
Most Ferrari specials are double the price of the vanilla regular production car.
I can see why the Speciale as the last NA V8 Ferrari will hold its money a bit more but TBH they are not that rare or limited in production numbers either so I wouldnt get to carried away with the hype.
I test drove a F8 Tributo a few weeks ago and even though it might be based on a 458 I was blown away by how big a step up it was in every dept bar sound which can easily be addressed by an aftermarket exhaust. A F8 will also be a lot rarer than 458 and represents better VFM IMHO
Yes the 458 is a great car but its old and slow now in comparison so will have a ceiling price bar a garage queen collectors car with delivery mileage.
The Speciale in the last 12 months have gone up 50-100k I'd say that pretty hype worthy to be honest, I know this because I stupidly turned down a Speciale in RHD for around 260k Spring last year in perfect spec, red, silver wheels, about 7-8k miles, RHD from a dealer. Same cars with same spec are now 330-350k dealers. LHD have gone up 30-60k as well, DAPCars had a white Speciale for 209k which sold, the cheapest LHD ones are now around 250k. Aperta's have gone up over 100k.I can see why the Speciale as the last NA V8 Ferrari will hold its money a bit more but TBH they are not that rare or limited in production numbers either so I wouldnt get to carried away with the hype.
I test drove a F8 Tributo a few weeks ago and even though it might be based on a 458 I was blown away by how big a step up it was in every dept bar sound which can easily be addressed by an aftermarket exhaust. A F8 will also be a lot rarer than 458 and represents better VFM IMHO
Yes the 458 is a great car but its old and slow now in comparison so will have a ceiling price bar a garage queen collectors car with delivery mileage.
I've driven a 488 and F8.
Are they faster? YES! Are they better? YES!
Are they more of an event to drive, not even close. Also an F8 with an exhaust still does not even come close to a factory 458 noise, neither have you got that incredible 9000rpm limit or the beautiful linear banshee power delivery.
I actually found the F8 boring to drive, it did nothing for me, the hairs on the back of my neck did not become aroused, whereas as the 458 simply arouses in a way the turbocharged cannot match, from the noise, the vibrations of the engine and the way the engine screams to redline.
If old and slow created a ceiling then why is an F40 worth so much or a 997 GT3 4.0 RS, the older stuff was more engaging, some of the newer stuff you have to pedal so damn fast to get that oh wow moment, whereas a lot of older stuff can deliver that without the need to go double the speed limit.
Your kind of missing the point, people are less interested these days in lap times, crazy performance stats, what makes a car truly special is how it feels and how engaging it is at legal speeds. I mean what is the point in a supercar if it can't give you any thrills driving wise at under 100mph and that is the biggest achilleas heel of most of the new stuff, they feel numb and uneventful to drive at legal speeds. Yes absolutely on a race circuit a Pista is in another league to a Speciale, but as a road car the new stuff cannot even come close, the only modern Ferrari that still thrills is the 812 Superfast, all the other stuff though excellent just fails to excite me.
Everyone is different of course, but it is fair to say I am not the only person who enjoys the older stuff and in a road car that weighs around 1500kg or less there really is not much requirement for over 500HP.
I doubt there are many F8 Tributo posters on kids walls.
I know there are many with 458 posters.
The 458 remains a special car in the automotive industry, and with Ferrari. Possibly never to be topped as the marque goes electric.
The thing that will keep 458 prices high is that there are many people who still aspire to owning one - including my two 17 year olds. Teenagers now, will still be in the market for a 458 in 10 and 20 years time. That's what makes a future classic.
I know there are many with 458 posters.
The 458 remains a special car in the automotive industry, and with Ferrari. Possibly never to be topped as the marque goes electric.
The thing that will keep 458 prices high is that there are many people who still aspire to owning one - including my two 17 year olds. Teenagers now, will still be in the market for a 458 in 10 and 20 years time. That's what makes a future classic.
Funny how things change I remember a thread on here probably 5-6 years ago maybe longer and notoriously annoying poster telling us all 458's would be sub 100k by the end of the year! How things change. My only comment with regard 458's is make sure you get the right seats in them. I loved mine possibly 7 years or so ago but the seats were too flat and it spoiled the experience in some ways.
andyr said:
The thing that will keep 458 prices high is that there are many people who still aspire to owning one - including my two 17 year olds. Teenagers now, will still be in the market for a 458 in 10 and 20 years time. That's what makes a future classic.
this helps a lot for sure, people are getting older now and finally have the money to buy the car they always wanted, usually it's a 458 - people aren't really that bothered about the 488 (at least from my generation) or the pista sone said:
Funny how things change I remember a thread on here probably 5-6 years ago maybe longer and notoriously annoying poster telling us all 458's would be sub 100k by the end of the year! How things change. My only comment with regard 458's is make sure you get the right seats in them. I loved mine possibly 7 years or so ago but the seats were too flat and it spoiled the experience in some ways.
Funny how you mention the seats: was chatting to a salesman at a main dealer, and he said that people think that they need sports seats in them and it can result in a 10k premium to have them. Normal seats mean that a car with them can take ages to sell.NSC79 said:
Mine has the sports/race seats. I sat in one with the standard seats and felt less supported than my 330d ones. Perhaps they perform better on a drive, but I’m not sure how because there’s not much in terms of bolster support.
Unwrapped it at the weekend to check it was ok:
Is that your garage ? Do people have these cars without multiple garages ? I'm not sure I would be comfortable with my daily in a blow up bag, let alone an expensive supercar.Unwrapped it at the weekend to check it was ok:
TBH I wouldnt want a supercar until its value was less than 10% max of my net worth
Curledge said:
Behind a Tesla 
A Tesla is not fun though, fast yes some are extremely fast but to drive they are to me boring, faster has never been better and to put that perfectly is I’d rather take an MX5 anyday over a Tesla and offer me the keys to a Ferrari then hell yes. Why I bought a 458 ok it’s actually pretty damn quick but more importantly it’s huge fun at any speed and such a special event to drive.Gibbo205 said:
A Tesla is not fun though, fast yes some are extremely fast but to drive they are to me boring, faster has never been better and to put that perfectly is I’d rather take an MX5 anyday over a Tesla and offer me the keys to a Ferrari then hell yes. Why I bought a 458 ok it’s actually pretty damn quick but more importantly it’s huge fun at any speed and such a special event to drive.
Yeah but it's old and slow therefore not worth having. Apparently.
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