Turbo sound OK or not OK? F40/488

Turbo sound OK or not OK? F40/488

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stimshady

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1,323 posts

187 months

Friday 15th October 2021
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Waiting patiently for my 488 to arrive, I've been reading online and watching pretty much every available YouTube video known to man! Some of the reviews slightly critise the sound of the 488 due to it being a forced induction engine. I get that the wild scream of an atmospheric engine may not be there, but it still seems to sound pretty good to me.

It does seem to be a fairly constant topic in reviews.

However, when you start watching reviews of the last forced induction engine Ferrari...the F40... people's reactions to the sound are 'glorious', 'spectacular', 'spine tingling' etc... Which got me thinking...

The 488 has a larger forced induction V8 engine to that of the F40, is faster, more advanced etc. in pretty much every way... (Admittedly it's an F40 and obviously has the history/reputation etc, and it's lack of tech makes it a handful, which I wouldn't question for a moment).

So my question is why? Why does the F40's forced induction sound get rave reviews and the 488 not so much?

Or am I missing something very obvious about the engine?!

Taffy66

5,964 posts

102 months

Friday 15th October 2021
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I had a 488 and personally thought it sounded great and at least as good as my 458. It also sounds much better than the F8 due to the muffling effect of the GPFs. As i've said before the 488 is one of the most under rated Ferraris in modern times and much better than the 458 in all aspects.

stimshady

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1,323 posts

187 months

Friday 15th October 2021
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Good to hear from actual owners perspectives... And I do wonder whether it's just critical reporters trying to get views and likes on their reviews on YouTube etc.

The novitec exhaust system does seem to sound particularly good though!

garystoybox

777 posts

117 months

Friday 15th October 2021
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Totally agree with Taffy’s comments, I also preferred the sound of the 488 engine over my 458’s. For me, the 488 has much more ‘going on’ at different rev ranges and sounded wonderful on the downshifts in race mode. Enjoy your new car!

4rephill

5,040 posts

178 months

Friday 15th October 2021
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The Ferrari F40 was designed and built in a completely different era, to different regulations, and to different requirements.

It was designed and built with zero concerns as to emissions, noise levels, and as a "limited edition".

The 488, despite being a supercar with F40 levels of performance, still has to meet certain emission and noise restrictions, as a standard production vehicle.

The 488 was the modern day equivalent of the 70's/80's 308 GTB.

The 308 GTB dimensions are:

Length 4,230 mm
Width 1,720 mm
Height 1,120 mm
weight @ 1250 Kg

The 488 dimensions are:

length 4,605 mm
Width 1,975 mm
Height 1,206 mm
Weight 1385~1485 Kg

Why should the 488 be so much bigger/heavier than the 308 GTB? - Because time moves on, and regulations change.

Sometimes there are prices to be paid for progress.

stimshady

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1,323 posts

187 months

Friday 15th October 2021
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4rephill said:
The Ferrari F40 was designed and built in a completely different era, to different regulations, and to different requirements.

It was designed and built with zero concerns as to emissions, noise levels, and as a "limited edition".

The 488, despite being a supercar with F40 levels of performance, still has to meet certain emission and noise restrictions, as a standard production vehicle.

The 488 was the modern day equivalent of the 70's/80's 308 GTB.

The 308 GTB dimensions are:

Length 4,230 mm
Width 1,720 mm
Height 1,120 mm
weight @ 1250 Kg

The 488 dimensions are:

length 4,605 mm
Width 1,975 mm
Height 1,206 mm
Weight 1385~1485 Kg

Why should the 488 be so much bigger/heavier than the 308 GTB? - Because time moves on, and regulations change.

Sometimes there are prices to be paid for progress.
Good points, thank you. Makes a lot of sense when you put it like that.

An aftermarket exhaust maybe a serious consideration then, as long as it still gets through the future MOTs... I imagine manufacturers have their hands tied to a certain extent, with rules and regs these days.

Overhaul

248 posts

170 months

Friday 15th October 2021
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The difference in sound is down to the fundamental designs of the Manifolds and Turbos.

Taking Cats and Silencers out of the equation for a moment..........

The F40 is classic old school. The tubular manifolds have long primaries with 4 into 1 collectors and a Turbo stuck on the end.
Although muffled by the Turbo you still get that classic "flat plane" sound.

The 488, and indeed all modern engines of this ilk, use shorter cast primaries in a 4 into 2 set up. However they never get the 2 into 1 as the Turbos are the "twin scroll'' type. What that means is the Turbo acts the 2 into 1 collector.
This gives a completely different sound, which although is unmistakably "flat plane", is lower and less, er, angry.

You also have to take into account the 488's engine is a much larger capacity than the F40's by around 1 litre.
This again gives a much deeper engine note than the smaller 2.9 litres of the F40.

Of course then you add the Cats etc.



Edited by Overhaul on Friday 15th October 15:57

Gibbo205

3,550 posts

207 months

Friday 15th October 2021
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I think F40 was catless?

Cats absolutely kill noise, particular the scream as such. When you decat a 458 they almost sound like an old school F1 car.

Still saying this a de-catted 488 still sounds pretty muted compared to a 458 or an F40.

Times move on, engines are now made and have to tick many many boxes to be allowed to be sold, back in the F40 days there was probably not so many tick boxes to worry about.

Cars are generally getting quieter and quieter, also faster but at the same time more boring on the public road as they become less and less fun at legal speeds, only stand out modern car for noise and fun at legal speeds is the 812, the rest of the range does not even come close. 458 Speciale was the pinnacle of the modern cars, down hill since then.


sparta6

3,698 posts

100 months

Friday 15th October 2021
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Non-cat F40's have a pretty raw soundtrack and spit flames.
Different regs allowed for more visceral cars.
They still feel incredibly lowslung and compact.

But we should be grateful for all ICE Ferraris and keep enjoying them to the max smile


jtremlett

1,375 posts

222 months

Friday 15th October 2021
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Gibbo205 said:
I think F40 was catless?...
No, only early cars.

Iwontlietoyou

40 posts

56 months

Friday 15th October 2021
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All sound great.

If I had to try to describe, the turbo charged cars sound like one instrument playing well. The NA cars sound like a multi-instrument orchestra. If you can look beyond the platitudes of a statement like that, I think it holds true.