I had no idea that 'mileage blockers' were a thing.
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According to this link, blocking trye mileage is rife, even on Ferraris
https://m.facebook.com/groups/1476226932463208/per...
I must be naive.
https://m.facebook.com/groups/1476226932463208/per...
I must be naive.
Yes they seem popular. Many Ferrari's show 10 - 30 miles a year between mots ( https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history ), yet I see the same cars at Ferrari Owners Club events all over the country.
The "even" on ferraris comment made me chuckle as they are probably the worst culprit.
Looked at several over the years and found more questions than answers.
My approach now is to look at condition and tell tale wears sign more so than the odo
Show me a ferrari that hasn't been clocked and I will eat my hat
Looked at several over the years and found more questions than answers.
My approach now is to look at condition and tell tale wears sign more so than the odo
Show me a ferrari that hasn't been clocked and I will eat my hat
Matt_E_Mulsion said:
The link appears to be to a private group.
+1 Link doesn't work, and its for a mobile version. What did it say?
And to echo what others have said - given how mileage sensitive these cars are it should come as no great surprise that there is a lot of interest in keeping it below certain thresholds.
I think haircuts are rife on Ferrari's and other certain marques.
I test drove a few 458's one was a 2013 car with supposedly 12k miles but the interior was more worn than mine is now and my car is now on around 24,000 miles, the car also did not drive great. This car was in some car dealers car unit, was not Ferrari approved.
When dropping 150k on a car you need to be careful, I'd only buy a car from Ferrari or very well known to them which came with an inspection.
I think clocking can also be pretty rife on Porsches too.
Also I'd never want to buy a ten year old car that had say done only 2000-3000 miles, the garage queens can be like a typical queen, EXTREMELY HIGH MAINTENANCE!
Cars are not designed to be sat, they are designed to be driven and used, a lot of internal lubrication goes on in a cars engine, suspension, gearbox etc which only happens when the car is in use.
I test drove a few 458's one was a 2013 car with supposedly 12k miles but the interior was more worn than mine is now and my car is now on around 24,000 miles, the car also did not drive great. This car was in some car dealers car unit, was not Ferrari approved.
When dropping 150k on a car you need to be careful, I'd only buy a car from Ferrari or very well known to them which came with an inspection.
I think clocking can also be pretty rife on Porsches too.
Also I'd never want to buy a ten year old car that had say done only 2000-3000 miles, the garage queens can be like a typical queen, EXTREMELY HIGH MAINTENANCE!
Cars are not designed to be sat, they are designed to be driven and used, a lot of internal lubrication goes on in a cars engine, suspension, gearbox etc which only happens when the car is in use.
Gibbo205 said:
I think haircuts are rife on Ferrari's and other certain marques.
I test drove a few 458's one was a 2013 car with supposedly 12k miles but the interior was more worn than mine is now and my car is now on around 24,000 miles, the car also did not drive great. This car was in some car dealers car unit, was not Ferrari approved.
When dropping 150k on a car you need to be careful, I'd only buy a car from Ferrari or very well known to them which came with an inspection.
I think clocking can also be pretty rife on Porsches too.
Also I'd never want to buy a ten year old car that had say done only 2000-3000 miles, the garage queens can be like a typical queen, EXTREMELY HIGH MAINTENANCE!
Cars are not designed to be sat, they are designed to be driven and used, a lot of internal lubrication goes on in a cars engine, suspension, gearbox etc which only happens when the car is in use.
Not a Ferrari, but my old S7 seems to have done 120 miles a year, for the last 3 years. I test drove a few 458's one was a 2013 car with supposedly 12k miles but the interior was more worn than mine is now and my car is now on around 24,000 miles, the car also did not drive great. This car was in some car dealers car unit, was not Ferrari approved.
When dropping 150k on a car you need to be careful, I'd only buy a car from Ferrari or very well known to them which came with an inspection.
I think clocking can also be pretty rife on Porsches too.
Also I'd never want to buy a ten year old car that had say done only 2000-3000 miles, the garage queens can be like a typical queen, EXTREMELY HIGH MAINTENANCE!
Cars are not designed to be sat, they are designed to be driven and used, a lot of internal lubrication goes on in a cars engine, suspension, gearbox etc which only happens when the car is in use.
Unless it's on display at Gaydon, I would say somebody is taking the pi5s.
I suspect these things are rife.
I’ve heard of and seen personally numerous Ferraris that have been clocked. Especially older ones.
Some are just a case of disconnecting the Speedo drive.
It’ll only calm down if people stop getting so hung up on buying stupidly low mileage cars. They’re often more trouble than the “high mileage” cars.
Some are just a case of disconnecting the Speedo drive.
It’ll only calm down if people stop getting so hung up on buying stupidly low mileage cars. They’re often more trouble than the “high mileage” cars.
Blackfeather said:
Curledge said:
The "even" on ferraris comment made me chuckle as they are probably the worst culprit.
Show me a ferrari that hasn't been clocked and I will eat my hat
Blimey that's a big statement, and scary.Show me a ferrari that hasn't been clocked and I will eat my hat
You are effectively accusing nearly all Ferrari owners of fraud which I suspect is complete b
ks.And dealers have more than one way to access how often/far a car has been driven.
These sorts of statements are the worst of the internet.
Ferruccio said:
Blackfeather said:
Curledge said:
The "even" on ferraris comment made me chuckle as they are probably the worst culprit.
Show me a ferrari that hasn't been clocked and I will eat my hat
Blimey that's a big statement, and scary.Show me a ferrari that hasn't been clocked and I will eat my hat
You are effectively accusing nearly all Ferrari owners of fraud which I suspect is complete b
ks.And dealers have more than one way to access how often/far a car has been driven.
These sorts of statements are the worst of the internet.
The checks they do are a joke, which supports the idea that there is potentially between 2.5 & 3m cars on the U.K. roads which have been tampered with. I’d wager many are pcp/leased or performance cars.
Finding Neutral said:
Ferruccio said:
Blackfeather said:
Curledge said:
The "even" on ferraris comment made me chuckle as they are probably the worst culprit.
Show me a ferrari that hasn't been clocked and I will eat my hat
Blimey that's a big statement, and scary.Show me a ferrari that hasn't been clocked and I will eat my hat
You are effectively accusing nearly all Ferrari owners of fraud which I suspect is complete b
ks.And dealers have more than one way to access how often/far a car has been driven.
These sorts of statements are the worst of the internet.
The checks they do are a joke, which supports the idea that there is potentially between 2.5 & 3m cars on the U.K. roads which have been tampered with. I’d wager many are pcp/leased or performance cars.
If you are right, that’s circa 1:10.
Curledge’ll be eating a lot of hats.
I think its a bit wild to claim modern Ferrari's are clocked without any evidence.
When I bought my 458 I called the dealership as there was a mileage discrepancy on one MOT. The Ferrari dealer told me there is another odometer in the gearbox on a 458 that is tamper proof, and they use that to verify the mileage. They confirmed that the mileage on my car was correct.
I will always keep my 458 under Ferrari warranty as this is a good check on the authenticity of the car.
When I bought my 458 I called the dealership as there was a mileage discrepancy on one MOT. The Ferrari dealer told me there is another odometer in the gearbox on a 458 that is tamper proof, and they use that to verify the mileage. They confirmed that the mileage on my car was correct.
I will always keep my 458 under Ferrari warranty as this is a good check on the authenticity of the car.
Mileage Correction services have no shortage of work from Ferrari owners with older Ferrari's either.
And then there was this case in Florida a few years back from a Ferrari Dealer clocking cars.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2017/02/2...
And then there was this case in Florida a few years back from a Ferrari Dealer clocking cars.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2017/02/2...
Ferruccio said:
Finding Neutral said:
Ferruccio said:
Blackfeather said:
Curledge said:
The "even" on ferraris comment made me chuckle as they are probably the worst culprit.
Show me a ferrari that hasn't been clocked and I will eat my hat
Blimey that's a big statement, and scary.Show me a ferrari that hasn't been clocked and I will eat my hat
You are effectively accusing nearly all Ferrari owners of fraud which I suspect is complete b
ks.And dealers have more than one way to access how often/far a car has been driven.
These sorts of statements are the worst of the internet.
The checks they do are a joke, which supports the idea that there is potentially between 2.5 & 3m cars on the U.K. roads which have been tampered with. I’d wager many are pcp/leased or performance cars.
If you are right, that’s circa 1:10.
Curledge’ll be eating a lot of hats.
Mark_Blanchard said:
Mileage Correction services have no shortage of work from Ferrari owners with older Ferrari's either.
And then there was this case in Florida a few years back from a Ferrari Dealer clocking cars.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2017/02/2...
Remain unconvinced clocking is as rife as people make out especially on high end stuff imo. Never experienced any issues with Porsche or Ferrari as long as tge usual due diligence checks are completed.And then there was this case in Florida a few years back from a Ferrari Dealer clocking cars.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2017/02/2...
No doubting however there are a certain percentage of cars which have been clocked but these are invariably the cars outside the main dealer network which have accident damage insurance claims an adverse history story other issues anyway mainly major issues impacting value ££.
Interesting reading that USA case about the Speciale in that it states the odometer was zeroed. Used to be the case in the UK that zeroing odometers by dealers and sellers was not an offence as long as they used the usual disclaimers including not warranted mileage etc. There were many mainly mainstream used car outlets in the 1980s in particular which specialised in very high mileage but clean ex fleet cars they zeroed the mileages quite legally and sold the cars for a healthy margin purely based on good condition etc.
Altering odometer readings in isolation is not an offence btw hence why the scum of the used car trade 'mileage correction technicians' thrive. It is only when the car is sold to another party without disclosing the incorrect mileage that an offence is committed.
av185 said:
Remain unconvinced clocking is as rife as people make out especially on high end stuff imo. Never experienced any issues with Porsche or Ferrari as long as tge usual due diligence checks are completed.
Well you should do some research then. Type in a Testarossa number plate ( https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history ) and I bet you the mileage is below 40k.Here's one to get you started: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51844359933_11...
Edited by Mark_Blanchard on Wednesday 26th January 18:32
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