Cheap 360 Manual

Cheap 360 Manual

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Plainview23

318 posts

213 months

Friday 13th October 2023
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Does Sam's not have belts too?

Harness only becomes a pain in the ass if you daily the car.

Otherwise a great buy, he and AV have looked after it so well.

Mark_Blanchard

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757 posts

256 months

Saturday 14th October 2023
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It's a nice looking car.






cgt2

7,101 posts

189 months

Saturday 14th October 2023
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Spec is virtually identical to my first 360 20+ years ago (but I had belts).

Coming out of a 355 it was a huge advance at the time. Reminded me of my old NSX in terms of usability and ease, didn't have that twitchy nature of other Ferraris. Initially I thought it was a bit too easy but a couple of euro trips really showed me what a capable car it was.

Gibbo205

3,554 posts

208 months

Saturday 14th October 2023
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cgt2 said:
Spec is virtually identical to my first 360 20+ years ago (but I had belts).

Coming out of a 355 it was a huge advance at the time. Reminded me of my old NSX in terms of usability and ease, didn't have that twitchy nature of other Ferraris. Initially I thought it was a bit too easy but a couple of euro trips really showed me what a capable car it was.
360’s are very sensitive to alignment and the Pzero factory tyres were and are outdated.

Mine with CS alignment and PS5 tyres handles amazingly well and the ride is superb, might be a 20yr old car but we’ll setup they are still very capable.

cgt2

7,101 posts

189 months

Saturday 14th October 2023
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Gibbo205 said:
The Pzero factory tyres were and are outdated.
They weren't outdated in 2001 as that's all there was!

The biggest advances over the past few decades are definitely in tyre technology.

I had a similar eureka moment running my 550 on modern Michelins. Night and day difference.

Plainview23

318 posts

213 months

Sunday 15th October 2023
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cgt2 said:
They weren't outdated in 2001 as that's all there was!

The biggest advances over the past few decades are definitely in tyre technology.

I had a similar eureka moment running my 550 on modern Michelins. Night and day difference.
couldn't agree more, huge difference maker

even on my relatively young scud I felt the new michelin ps's made a big difference to the car

SEGTCSL

66 posts

87 months

Sunday 15th October 2023
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Plainview23 said:
Does Sam's not have belts too?
Ordinarily, when you spec any Ferrari with racing harnesses (4HAR) — Ferrari, in their infinite wisdom, automatically deletes the 3 point belt arrangement entirely. Notice that Sam’s car doesn’t have the cut outs for the seatbelt height adjuster on the B-pillar trim for example.

However, there’s a tiny number of cars worldwide that do have both, including my own 360. Can only assume the first owner might’ve been unsure about the belts and therefore asked very, very nicely if they could be left in.

As an example, the below LHD CS that sold on CC a while ago had both harnesses and 3 point belts in situ for both seats. I recall the seller commenting at the time he bought the car like that:
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2004-ferrari-3...


Also the silver CS that Scott/Ratarossa rebuilt on his channel had factory 4 point harnesses and (bizarrely) a driver’s side 3 point belt only: https://youtu.be/0ysiH9XU8qg?si=HFMKgAVDVpvO7rk5


And not exclusive to 360s either; as I’ve also seen a 550 and 575M running both (pictured below):


Best of both worlds, if you can find such an example!

ex-devonpaul

1,198 posts

138 months

Sunday 15th October 2023
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blueg33 said:
m4tti said:
Mark_Blanchard said:
Prices do seem to be all over the place. This 430 sold recently for a very healthy sum. I guess it's manual, which accounts for the price.



Might have just been made up. Another auction price above. Again about 20k down..
Massive mileage difference between the two
And one is a Spider.

bencollins4

1,103 posts

207 months

Sunday 15th October 2023
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Mark_Blanchard said:
It's a nice looking car.





What do we think it might get to? Pretty clear it's been looked after, no expense spared, even if it's got a few miles on the clock now.

Mark_Blanchard

Original Poster:

757 posts

256 months

Sunday 15th October 2023
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I'm guessing around £55 - £60k. But the market is down at the moment. Some classic car prices are down by a 1/3.

Gibbo205

3,554 posts

208 months

Sunday 15th October 2023
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Mark_Blanchard said:
I'm guessing around £55 - £60k. But the market is down at the moment. Some classic car prices are down by a 1/3.
This.

55k or less: bargain!
65-70k: Fair
75k plus: steep!

57k miles is nothing really but in world of Ferraris is deemed high but this car is probably in better condition than some 20k mile cars because as Sam has proved if you drive and enjoy them they take the miles and ball joints with ease. wink

Great car and great spec but miles and lack of seatbelts will put some off.

blueg33

36,019 posts

225 months

Sunday 15th October 2023
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My guess is £68k including buyers fees

It’s a good spec car, recently had a very thorough re spray and mechanically has been look after by AV. IIRC it’s also has an engine ECU remap to a CS map.

bencollins4

1,103 posts

207 months

Sunday 15th October 2023
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I was thinking mid £50’s, plus CC fees. But then there may be a few STG fans that knowing the recent history and expenditure, may well be willing to go into the £60’s.

cgt2

7,101 posts

189 months

Sunday 15th October 2023
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When I sold my manual 430 with buckets and plenty of carbon in early 2017 everyone thought it would go immediately but it took four months because it had nearly 50,000 miles. I also got a fair bit less than assumed.

No matter how good the car mileage is a killer on Ferraris. Always has been, always will be.

In contrast I sold a 964 with 155,000 miles and had tons of people after it (sold it to a mate but took less than a week from advertising to gone).

FastNLoud

63 posts

128 months

Tuesday 17th October 2023
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Up to 47.5k already. Will be very interesting to see what it goes for

Armitage.Shanks

2,282 posts

86 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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I thought Sam said this was his 'forever' car? Clearly in the YouTube world you need to churn the fleet to generate fresh content and keep viewers interested rolleyes

voicey

2,453 posts

188 months

Friday 20th October 2023
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If Sam's car stays where it is then someone will get an utter bargain. I've just serviced it, put a new alternator on and changed two ball joints - it wants for nothing right now.

PinkHouse

869 posts

58 months

Friday 20th October 2023
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voicey said:
If Sam's car stays where it is then someone will get an utter bargain. I've just serviced it, put a new alternator on and changed two ball joints - it wants for nothing right now.
It seems like even the best examples would be ruinously expensive to keep in the best shape due to the sheer amounts of parts and components they seem to consume regularly, so is there really going to be much of a premium on this especially with Ferrari buyers putting value in mileage over condition?

Nuttbelle

537 posts

11 months

Friday 20th October 2023
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voicey said:
If Sam's car stays where it is then someone will get an utter bargain. I've just serviced it, put a new alternator on and changed two ball joints - it wants for nothing right now.
You could always buy it

blueg33

36,019 posts

225 months

Friday 20th October 2023
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Nuttbelle said:
voicey said:
If Sam's car stays where it is then someone will get an utter bargain. I've just serviced it, put a new alternator on and changed two ball joints - it wants for nothing right now.
You could always buy it
Why would AV want to buy it? They don’t do sales as far as I am aware