Buying Ferraris from Traders

[ZeusF]

Guys,
I am now privy to what happened and this isn't one way.
This guy asked for work to be done on the car and the dealer did it and used the deposit to do the work which is quite normal.
The deposit wasn't returned as the car had had work done at the request of the buyer who then changed his mind.

Im not knocking either side but it isn't fair for the dealer to take the blame which could give them bad feedback unnecessarily.

[selym]

ZeusF said:

Guys,
I am now privy to what happened and this isn't one way.
This guy asked for work to be done on the car and the dealer did it and used the deposit to do the work which is quite normal.
The deposit wasn't returned as the car had had work done at the request of the buyer who then changed his mind.

Im not knocking either side but it isn't fair for the dealer to take the blame which could give them bad feedback unnecessarily.

A service which threw up extra issues. Refundable deposit (an odd term!) Should be refunded in those conditions.

[xxx2]

ZeusF said:

Guys,
I am now privy to what happened and this isn't one way.
This guy asked for work to be done on the car and the dealer did it and used the deposit to do the work which is quite normal.
The deposit wasn't returned as the car had had work done at the request of the buyer who then changed his mind.

Im not knocking either side but it isn't fair for the dealer to take the blame which could give them bad feedback unnecessarily.

Sorry but am I " This guy ". that you are referring to ?

I can assure you that I did not request any work to be done on the car.

[ZeusF]

selym said:

ZeusF said:

Guys,
I am now privy to what happened and this isn't one way.
This guy asked for work to be done on the car and the dealer did it and used the deposit to do the work which is quite normal.
The deposit wasn't returned as the car had had work done at the request of the buyer who then changed his mind.

Im not knocking either side but it isn't fair for the dealer to take the blame which could give them bad feedback unnecessarily.

A service which threw up extra issues. Refundable deposit (an odd term!) Should be refunded in those conditions.

What issues ?
A change of mind issue ?

[selym]

Well, he didn't allude to what issues but if it was a refundable deposit then the dealer shouldn't have been so naive, and will learn a lesson in the shape of wasted money.

[ZeusF]

selym said:

Well, he didn't allude to what issues but if it was a refundable deposit then the dealer shouldn't have been so naive, and will learn a lesson in the shape of wasted money.

I just spent over £100,000 with the same dealer and can assure you that when I paid a £5000 deposit they were VERY VERY instructive on the fact that as I was having some bits and bobs done which changed the car from the one advertised that the deposit was non-refundable.
I accepted this as they had to remove standing advertising for the car, do work needed like the service, the preparation of the car with Lamborghini and other bits n bobs.

Im not trying to be unsympathetic with the buyer but this is a business that is being slated here and they have done NOTHING wrong whatsoever.
I have spend hundreds of thousands on cars and bought from various places and as I said earlier, these are as good as the best I've dealt with so I personally feel bad when I see them getting what in effect is tandermount to a libellous backlash on this forum with multiple posts aimed solely at destroying their good name.
On a legal side, it could be easily proven in a court that these types of posts have had a negative response to their business.

As some sort of help to the claimant, lets say someone was buying a £100k car off these guys and then pulled out after claiming he/she read this forum and decided they didn't want to do business with them, the guy posting would be found liable in a court if a claim for losses was bought about.

In such an internet based world these days we must all be careful about how we con duct ourselves (I must make a not of this myself )

[selym]

ZeusF said:

I just spent over £100,000 with the same dealer and can assure you that when I paid a £5000 deposit they were VERY VERY instructive on the fact that as I was having some bits and bobs done which changed the car from the one advertised that the deposit was non-refundable.
I accepted this as they had to remove standing advertising for the car, do work needed like the service, the preparation of the car with Lamborghini and other bits n bobs.

Im not trying to be unsympathetic with the buyer but this is a business that is being slated here and they have done NOTHING wrong whatsoever.
I have spend hundreds of thousands on cars and bought from various places and as I said earlier, these are as good as the best I've dealt with so I personally feel bad when I see them getting what in effect is tandermount to a libellous backlash on this forum with multiple posts aimed solely at destroying their good name.
On a legal side, it could be easily proven in a court that these types of posts have had a negative response to their business.

As some sort of help to the claimant, lets say someone was buying a £100k car off these guys and then pulled out after claiming he/she read this forum and decided they didn't want to do business with them, the guy posting would be found liable in a court if a claim for losses was bought about.

In such an internet based world these days we must all be careful about how we con duct ourselves (I must make a not of this myself )

I'm honestly not here (in the true PH tradition) to argue with you, but if the OP had a service done, I can't see how that 'changes' the car. If, for argument's sake, the service threw up the issue of flecks in the discarded oil, I wouldn't be comfortable with buying it either. The big stumbling block here is the deposit, whether it was refundable, and whether that was documented anywhere? I'm so glad I can only afford stbox cars!!!



I may have missed it, but did the OP state where he put the deposit down? Possibly on another thread.

You are spot on about the internet though, it never goes away once you have published it. It won't be long until someone on here really falls foul of the law in this respect.

[xxx2]

ZeusF said:

I just spent over £100,000 with the same dealer and can assure you that when I paid a £5000 deposit they were VERY VERY instructive on the fact that as I was having some bits and bobs done which changed the car from the one advertised that the deposit was non-refundable.
I accepted this as they had to remove standing advertising for the car, do work needed like the service, the preparation of the car with Lamborghini and other bits n bobs.

Im not trying to be unsympathetic with the buyer but this is a business that is being slated here and they have done NOTHING wrong whatsoever.
I have spend hundreds of thousands on cars and bought from various places and as I said earlier, these are as good as the best I've dealt with so I personally feel bad when I see them getting what in effect is tandermount to a libellous backlash on this forum with multiple posts aimed solely at destroying their good name.
On a legal side, it could be easily proven in a court that these types of posts have had a negative response to their business.

As some sort of help to the claimant, lets say someone was buying a £100k car off these guys and then pulled out after claiming he/she read this forum and decided they didn't want to do business with them, the guy posting would be found liable in a court if a claim for losses was bought about.

In such an internet based world these days we must all be careful about how we con duct ourselves (I must make a not of this myself )

I am pleased that you were happy with your purchase. But I don't really think you are qualified to comment or judge on my particular situation as you were not involved in my negotiations.

[voicey]

ZeusF said:

I just spent over £100,000 with the same dealer

Didn't your wife surprise you with the car? http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[ZeusF]

voicey said:

ZeusF said:

I just spent over £100,000 with the same dealer

Didn't your wife surprise you with the car? http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

We are married, I guess that means that wether she or me buys a car WE as a family pay.

As I said earlier, I am not trying to have a go at the buyer, I just don't think it is wise, fair, good or morally correct to make so many posts relating to an issue with the only intention as to destroy the rep of the seller.
The guy above has made topics and replied to others in a "fishing" attempt to ruin someones rep when the better thing to do would have been to either take a legal approach or at the worst case, call the seller and tell them that if they do not see things your way you will post on the internet.

Im looking at this in a completely unbiased view for both sides. Similar to the fact that I wouldn't want the seller getting an unfair rap, I wouldn't want the guy above getting sued for libel !

[xxx2]

ZeusF said:

We are married, I guess that means that wether she or me buys a car WE as a family pay.

As I said earlier, I am not trying to have a go at the buyer, I just don't think it is wise, fair, good or morally correct to make so many posts relating to an issue with the only intention as to destroy the rep of the seller.
The guy above has made topics and replied to others in a "fishing" attempt to ruin someones rep when the better thing to do would have been to either take a legal approach or at the worst case, call the seller and tell them that if they do not see things your way you will post on the internet.

Im looking at this in a completely unbiased view for both sides. Similar to the fact that I wouldn't want the seller getting an unfair rap, I wouldn't want the guy above getting sued for libel !

To the best of my knowledge, I have never actually stated who my deposit was paid to. My intention has always been information gathering on buying Ferraris from Traders in general. I cannot be held responsible for the posts of others.

[voicey]

ZeusF said:

voicey said:

ZeusF said:

I just spent over £100,000 with the same dealer

Didn't your wife surprise you with the car? http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

We are married, I guess that means that wether she or me buys a car WE as a family pay.

As I said earlier, I am not trying to have a go at the buyer, I just don't think it is wise, fair, good or morally correct to make so many posts relating to an issue with the only intention as to destroy the rep of the seller.
The guy above has made topics and replied to others in a "fishing" attempt to ruin someones rep when the better thing to do would have been to either take a legal approach or at the worst case, call the seller and tell them that if they do not see things your way you will post on the internet.

Im looking at this in a completely unbiased view for both sides. Similar to the fact that I wouldn't want the seller getting an unfair rap, I wouldn't want the guy above getting sued for libel !

I don't have a dog in this fight but my point was that you stated that:

"when I paid a £5000 deposit they were VERY VERY instructive on the fact that as I was having some bits and bobs done which changed the car from the one advertised that the deposit was non-refundable"

But on your other thread you say your wife surprised you with the Lambo. The two statements don't compute for me.

Mind you the OP has stated that they have in-house counsel and then asks on here for legal advice so I think there's quite a few half truths all over this thread...

[ZeusF]

voicey said:

ZeusF said:

voicey said:

ZeusF said:

I just spent over £100,000 with the same dealer

Didn't your wife surprise you with the car? http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

We are married, I guess that means that wether she or me buys a car WE as a family pay.

As I said earlier, I am not trying to have a go at the buyer, I just don't think it is wise, fair, good or morally correct to make so many posts relating to an issue with the only intention as to destroy the rep of the seller.
The guy above has made topics and replied to others in a "fishing" attempt to ruin someones rep when the better thing to do would have been to either take a legal approach or at the worst case, call the seller and tell them that if they do not see things your way you will post on the internet.

Im looking at this in a completely unbiased view for both sides. Similar to the fact that I wouldn't want the seller getting an unfair rap, I wouldn't want the guy above getting sued for libel !

I don't have a dog in this fight but my point was that you stated that:

"when I paid a £5000 deposit they were VERY VERY instructive on the fact that as I was having some bits and bobs done which changed the car from the one advertised that the deposit was non-refundable"

But on your other thread you say your wife surprised you with the Lambo. The two statements don't compute for me.

Mind you the OP has stated that they have in-house counsel and then asks on here for legal advice so I think there's quite a few half truths all over this thread...

Forum life ehh, a place where people seem adamant on making others out to be liars as it gives them a feeling of self worth.
I actually asked my wife who has since given me copies of all emailed between her and the guy at VVS prior to the sale and all terms were clearly laid out, she also confirms that every I was dotted and every T crossed.
I have also had not one, but several calls from the seller, not offering me other cars but asking how I am finding this one. I have told him that I'm busy working and haven't had chance to drive it more than a few km but I'm happy with it.

I tried forum years ago and am currently on one other forum with similar findings. Its like having the kids running round your ears at school holidays, you kind of wish for a certain amount of peace after a while. Mind you, they are too busy playing and having fun to scour the internet just in case dad has told a small lie !

[lambosagogo]

The thing with forum life is that when you write something down it does tend to stay (at least until the thread is removed as this one surely will be). For example, if someone says something like "I've spent hundreds of thousands of pounds on cars and X were amongst the best dealers I've dealt with" or "I spent over 100k with X" people will compare that with other statements such as "My wife bought me this car from X" and "I didn't deal with them during the purchase but I've read some emails" and notice the inconsistencies. I think that's the point being made above.

As far as X goes, the damage may already have been done. We will probably continue to have a cycle of.....

1. Someone searches for posts about dealer X and can't find them
2. They post a topic saying "has anyone got any experiences with X? I've searched but can't find any."
3. Someone says "I have, they were good"
4. Someone else says "I have, they were rubbish" (note: 4 and 3 can be reversed in order)
5. Carnage ensues
6. Thread is deleted
7. Goto 1

[voicey]

ZeusF said:

Forum life ehh, a place where people seem adamant on making others out to be liars as it gives them a feeling of self worth.
I actually asked my wife who has since given me copies of all emailed between her and the guy at VVS prior to the sale and all terms were clearly laid out, she also confirms that every I was dotted and every T crossed.
I have also had not one, but several calls from the seller, not offering me other cars but asking how I am finding this one. I have told him that I'm busy working and haven't had chance to drive it more than a few km but I'm happy with it.

I tried forum years ago and am currently on one other forum with similar findings. Its like having the kids running round your ears at school holidays, you kind of wish for a certain amount of peace after a while. Mind you, they are too busy playing and having fun to scour the internet just in case dad has told a small lie !

I'm feeling very worthy right now, thanks. You posted two contradictory statements, one of which was calling out another forum member. I think it is only fair to point this out.

lambosagogo said:

The thing with forum life is that when you write something down it does tend to stay (at least until the thread is removed as this one surely will be). For example, if someone says something like "I've spent hundreds of thousands of pounds on cars and X were amongst the best dealers I've dealt with" or "I spent over 100k with X" people will compare that with other statements such as "My wife bought me this car from X" and "I didn't deal with them during the purchase but I've read some emails" and notice the inconsistencies. I think that's the point being made above.

Exactly. Anyway it wont matter shortly as this thread will be deleted!

[ZeusF]

I do hope it is deleted, its akin to bullying a school kid when the teacher isn't looking in order to inflict the most damage but without looking like that was the intention.

The poster in this case could have simply made a post about the experience either warning others or asking for advice but went round the actual topic, trying to inflict the most damage. I can't think of a reason other than intention that this type of mentality was used.

As for the "Ive and I" comment, I'm sorry for not being as specific as is required on this forum, I will try not to make that mistake again.

[voicey]

ZeusF said:

I actually asked my wife who has since given me copies of all emailed between her and the guy at VVS prior to the sale and all terms were clearly laid out, she also confirms that every I was dotted and every T crossed.

Out of interest which company did you deal with? Their website states the company name is Vas Vehicle Solutions Ltd but that company name is not registered with companies house.

The more you look into this company the dodgier it gets - false company name, no landline and the address is a Murco petrol station. I certainly wouldn't like to be trying to recover a deposit from them.

Edited twice for typos/grammar

Edited by voicey on Thursday 6th March 19:45

[renmure]

I have been following the various threads and being a simple bloke who tends to take folk* at face value, I think the OP is getting a bit of a rough time for someone who, if the following is an honest comment,

xxx2 said:

Sorry but am I " This guy ". that you are referring to ?
I can assure you that I did not request any work to be done on the car.

then I am a bit gobsmacked he could be getting stick for wanting a refundable deposit back.

• My recent experience with the Company in question in relation to a Vantage they were advertising wasn't particular great. I was told it wasn't an SOR car then later I was told it was owned by a friend of the owner and being sold on his behalf. I wasn't fussed either way but it is hardly the sort of detail there should be much confusion over.

[fyfe]

ZeusF said:

I do hope it is deleted, its akin to bullying a school kid when the teacher isn't looking in order to inflict the most damage but without looking like that was the intention.

The poster in this case could have simply made a post about the experience either warning others or asking for advice but went round the actual topic, trying to inflict the most damage. I can't think of a reason other than intention that this type of mentality was used.

I replied earlier in the thread and it seemed very much to me that the OP was simply nervous about a deal and needed reassurance and or some advice. I gave some as did NEFOC. His other posts elsewhere in the various subforums were of a similar vein and I assumed he was a nervous first-time buyer and treated his questions as if he was. Frankly I've seen nothing to suggest otherwise. He provided a bit more info when prompted to do so and some people seem to have taken that as an attack. Sure - he's responded robustly to challenges at times but I can't fault him for that. I can't see any maliciousness in his posts.

[RevHappy]

An interesting read but I'll give it 50/50 on the deleted thread front.