Ferrari F12 Running Costs?
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MDL - I'll let you know about the trip when I take the 458 mate. I'm just waiting to find out when my eldest is doing an internship (he's studying Marine Biology and has applied for 2 internships) so I know when I'm free. It'll be June, July or August though.
Nice pics above. Oh how I love road trips!
Nice pics above. Oh how I love road trips!
Edited by _Leg_ on Monday 12th February 22:27
_Leg_ said:
Yes, it's definitely a GT car. The trips I choose to do in them probably sums them up best. 2018 trips..
F12 - I'm catching the Ferry from Hull to Rotterdam, taking 4 days to get to Milan through the French Alps. My wife is flying to Milan and then we're spending 2 weeks cruising down the west coast of Italy to Pompeii before crossing the country to cruise the east coast back up to Venice. Then she'll fly back and I'll take 4 days to get back to Blighty through the Alps etc again. We'll pop into the Alfa museum near Milan and I'll probably pop into the Mercedes and Porsche museums in Stuttgart. It'll be nice hotels and good food and drink all the way.
458 Spider - A bunch of guys in everything from hot hatches to supercars jump on the ferry in Hull. We've usually been in the bar nigh on 2 hours before it sails. Then it's down the Autobahns seeing who can hit the highest speed. Radio banter is plentiful. Big night out in Munich. Then into Austria and the Dolomites linking passes together at a fair old pace. Evenings are beers, beers and usually some beers.
For me that sums up the difference between the cars. I won't be faffing about in either car but the point of the F12 trip is to tour. The point of the 458 trip is to drive. So they have a different tone.
One is a top beer, one is a fine wine. Both great in different contexts.
It's a familiar drill - and I empathize with the context F12 - I'm catching the Ferry from Hull to Rotterdam, taking 4 days to get to Milan through the French Alps. My wife is flying to Milan and then we're spending 2 weeks cruising down the west coast of Italy to Pompeii before crossing the country to cruise the east coast back up to Venice. Then she'll fly back and I'll take 4 days to get back to Blighty through the Alps etc again. We'll pop into the Alfa museum near Milan and I'll probably pop into the Mercedes and Porsche museums in Stuttgart. It'll be nice hotels and good food and drink all the way.
458 Spider - A bunch of guys in everything from hot hatches to supercars jump on the ferry in Hull. We've usually been in the bar nigh on 2 hours before it sails. Then it's down the Autobahns seeing who can hit the highest speed. Radio banter is plentiful. Big night out in Munich. Then into Austria and the Dolomites linking passes together at a fair old pace. Evenings are beers, beers and usually some beers.
For me that sums up the difference between the cars. I won't be faffing about in either car but the point of the F12 trip is to tour. The point of the 458 trip is to drive. So they have a different tone.
One is a top beer, one is a fine wine. Both great in different contexts.
We normally take a gaggle of V8's down to Cinquate Cinq etc but I'm getting a V12 itch. F12 or 599 are in my current top 5 list.
Re: proper GT's. From disciplined and extensive research I've discovered in most cases a lady prefers being in a GT rather than something more "racey". Further justification therefore
That sums up nicely he difference between the heavy front ended v12 and the young upstart v8.
I know at some point I will be too old to suit he v8 mis engines cars but I do like a thrash and the traction from the mid engine. I would say the f12 sounds significantly better which is why Ferrari he'd back mid engine v12 for the daddy la Ferrari. The perfect car!
F12!is a gentlemans tourer which would not be seen Reving at ththe traffic lights and behaving like a hooligan which is more my style but I know the direction and composure of the mid engines carbon the twistys is exciting !
I know at some point I will be too old to suit he v8 mis engines cars but I do like a thrash and the traction from the mid engine. I would say the f12 sounds significantly better which is why Ferrari he'd back mid engine v12 for the daddy la Ferrari. The perfect car!
F12!is a gentlemans tourer which would not be seen Reving at ththe traffic lights and behaving like a hooligan which is more my style but I know the direction and composure of the mid engines carbon the twistys is exciting !
_Leg_ said:
Yes, it's definitely a GT car. The trips I choose to do in them probably sums them up best. 2018 trips..
F12 - I'm catching the Ferry from Hull to Rotterdam, taking 4 days to get to Milan through the French Alps. My wife is flying to Milan and then we're spending 2 weeks cruising down the west coast of Italy to Pompeii before crossing the country to cruise the east coast back up to Venice. Then she'll fly back and I'll take 4 days to get back to Blighty through the Alps etc again. We'll pop into the Alfa museum near Milan and I'll probably pop into the Mercedes and Porsche museums in Stuttgart. It'll be nice hotels and good food and drink all the way.
458 Spider - A bunch of guys in everything from hot hatches to supercars jump on the ferry in Hull. We've usually been in the bar nigh on 2 hours before it sails. Then it's down the Autobahns seeing who can hit the highest speed. Radio banter is plentiful. Big night out in Munich. Then into Austria and the Dolomites linking passes together at a fair old pace. Evenings are beers, beers and usually some beers.
For me that sums up the difference between the cars. I won't be faffing about in either car but the point of the F12 trip is to tour. The point of the 458 trip is to drive. So they have a different tone.
One is a top beer, one is a fine wine. Both great in different contexts.
Reviving this thread at 2am just to say that I REALLY hope you appreciate that lifestyle! Sounds incredible =) F12 - I'm catching the Ferry from Hull to Rotterdam, taking 4 days to get to Milan through the French Alps. My wife is flying to Milan and then we're spending 2 weeks cruising down the west coast of Italy to Pompeii before crossing the country to cruise the east coast back up to Venice. Then she'll fly back and I'll take 4 days to get back to Blighty through the Alps etc again. We'll pop into the Alfa museum near Milan and I'll probably pop into the Mercedes and Porsche museums in Stuttgart. It'll be nice hotels and good food and drink all the way.
458 Spider - A bunch of guys in everything from hot hatches to supercars jump on the ferry in Hull. We've usually been in the bar nigh on 2 hours before it sails. Then it's down the Autobahns seeing who can hit the highest speed. Radio banter is plentiful. Big night out in Munich. Then into Austria and the Dolomites linking passes together at a fair old pace. Evenings are beers, beers and usually some beers.
For me that sums up the difference between the cars. I won't be faffing about in either car but the point of the F12 trip is to tour. The point of the 458 trip is to drive. So they have a different tone.
One is a top beer, one is a fine wine. Both great in different contexts.
Pulse00 said:
Reviving this thread at 2am just to say that I REALLY hope you appreciate that lifestyle! Sounds incredible =)
Left school at 16 with nothing. 30 years ago I had a market stall. Went into tech telesales, then tech field sales. Worked my arse off to be the best at each job. Bought the software company I worked for when it had 5 staff (with a couple of guys who also worked there). Sold it 7 years later with 140 staff. Retired.In the meantime married for 23 years, 2 sons now at uni and my wife was a junior nurse, did a masters when the kids were toddlers whilst working to become an Advanced Nurse Practitioner, now a PhD and part time lecturer at a Russel Group Uni.
Yup, we appreciate it. We’re both absolutely shattered. Helps to remember it’s just stuff in the end. People and time are the important things in life. That’s not to say that financial security and toys don’t add to it but the latter without the former is pointless.
Edited by _Leg_ on Monday 8th April 12:43
_Leg_ said:
Left school at 16 with nothing. 30 years ago I had a market stall. Went into tech telesales, then tech field sales. Worked my arse off to be the best at each job. Bought the software company I worked for when it had 5 staff (with a couple of guys who also worked there). Sold it 7 years later with 140 staff. Retired.
In the meantime married for 23 years, 2 sons now at uni and my wife was a junior nurse, did a masters when the kids were toddlers whilst working to become an Advanced Nurse Practitioner, now a PhD and part time lecturer at a Russel Group Uni.
Yup, we appreciate it. We’re both absolutely shattered. Helps to remember it’s just stuff in the end. People and time are the important things in life. That’s not to say that financial security and toys don’t add to it but the latter without the former is pointless.
Thank you for sharing your journey. You've made your own success, good job. Fair play to your wife too! In the meantime married for 23 years, 2 sons now at uni and my wife was a junior nurse, did a masters when the kids were toddlers whilst working to become an Advanced Nurse Practitioner, now a PhD and part time lecturer at a Russel Group Uni.
Yup, we appreciate it. We’re both absolutely shattered. Helps to remember it’s just stuff in the end. People and time are the important things in life. That’s not to say that financial security and toys don’t add to it but the latter without the former is pointless.
Edited by _Leg_ on Monday 8th April 12:43
F12 is a pipe dream for me. Just got to find my own journey that ends in one being on my driveway. I have a really good career within pharmaceuticals but I just can't see myself ever being - Ferrari - wealthy. I need a plan.
Wise words at the end there, thanks.
Edited by Pulse00 on Monday 8th April 13:15
Pulse00 said:
_Leg_ said:
Left school at 16 with nothing. 30 years ago I had a market stall. Went into tech telesales, then tech field sales. Worked my arse off to be the best at each job. Bought the software company I worked for when it had 5 staff (with a couple of guys who also worked there). Sold it 7 years later with 140 staff. Retired.
In the meantime married for 23 years, 2 sons now at uni and my wife was a junior nurse, did a masters when the kids were toddlers whilst working to become an Advanced Nurse Practitioner, now a PhD and part time lecturer at a Russel Group Uni.
Yup, we appreciate it. We’re both absolutely shattered. Helps to remember it’s just stuff in the end. People and time are the important things in life. That’s not to say that financial security and toys don’t add to it but the latter without the former is pointless.
Thank you for sharing your journey. You've made your own success, good job. Fair play to your wife too! In the meantime married for 23 years, 2 sons now at uni and my wife was a junior nurse, did a masters when the kids were toddlers whilst working to become an Advanced Nurse Practitioner, now a PhD and part time lecturer at a Russel Group Uni.
Yup, we appreciate it. We’re both absolutely shattered. Helps to remember it’s just stuff in the end. People and time are the important things in life. That’s not to say that financial security and toys don’t add to it but the latter without the former is pointless.
Edited by _Leg_ on Monday 8th April 12:43
F12 is a pipe dream for me. Just got to find my own journey that ends in one being on my driveway. I have a really good career within pharmaceuticals but I just can't see myself ever being - Ferrari - wealthy. I need a plan.
Wise words at the end there, thanks.
Edited by Pulse00 on Monday 8th April 13:15
I think the difference for me, back in 1986 leaving school and a 16 year old today may be that I had no idea I was at base camp with a mountain to climb. My only exposure to wealth and fast cars was watching Magnum PI and such like and I generally lusted after the Professional's Escorts and Capris as that was something they did in Hawaii and not Yorkshire. Supercars and a millionaire lifestyle never even occurred to me.
Today though we have social media, YouTube channels with supercars and what have you, TV shows examining the lives of the rich and famous and some people even post their experiences in Ferraris driving around Europe on car forums (weirdos ;-) ). Music videos feature wealth. We're all very aware of the life styles of the rich and famous.
This means me as a 16 year old now would be very aware of these things and I would, as I suspect many do, see the mountain and realise what a huge climb I had in front of me to achieve these things. I think that must be hugely intimidating and I can understand why many younger people may think "I can't do that" or "There must be an easier way?". I cant imagine being 16, wanting to get on and trying to think about where I want to be in 30 years. I'm glad I had no idea tbh.
I still find myself letting people sit in the cars when I'm out and about, as I am prone to do a lot when people show enthusiasm, and when they invariably say, "I'll never have one of these" I always respond with, "You can get whatever you want if you want it enough" and I can see the disbelief in their eyes. I never once thought "I'll never get that" because I never once thought "I want to get that".
Just an observation that I've made in the last few years. Whilst there are far more successful people than me (look at the John Collins thread for example!) the only advice I can offer is that many people are good at what they do, many people work hard, very few people take and stick with opportunities due to fear of failure. Sometimes you've just got to grab the moment by the throat and say "f
k it". It's like standing at base camp, looking at the comfy hut with a hot stove on and then looking at the murderous climb. Obvious thing for any sane person to do is go back in the hut but sometimes you've gotta jsay "fk it" and start climbing and accept you might fall off.PS. The other point is that I go on road trips with mates in hot hatches, I'm in a Ferrari, we all have just as good a time and if had to choose between going on my own in a Ferrari or with them in a hot hatch, I would choose them and a hot hatch every time so not getting a Ferrari isn't as important as you might think. Nice as it is. :-)
PPS> Blah blah, lecture over. Sorry to babble.
Edited by _Leg_ on Monday 8th April 15:45
It links to this article. Can be found below this thread in the V12 section. Only one post though.
https://magazine.ferrari.com/en/cars/2019/03/07/ne...
https://magazine.ferrari.com/en/cars/2019/03/07/ne...
_Leg_ said:
I still find myself letting people sit in the cars when I'm out and about, as I am prone to do a lot when people show enthusiasm, and when they invariably say, "I'll never have one of these" I always respond with, "You can get whatever you want if you want it enough" and I can see the disbelief in their eyes. I never once thought "I'll never get that" because I never once thought "I want to get that".
This is 10% accurate. If you want something enough you'll find a way to achieve it. It doesn't mean it will be an easy journey and can take time, patience and a lot of determination but it can happen.Edited by _Leg_ on Monday 8th April 15:45
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