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I don't really want it louder when the valves open I just want it quieter when they are shut.
A friend of a friend has a Lusso with the Novitec system and I was astonished how quiet it was with the valves shut, but it's simply anti social once they open. That's ok for a weekend toy but not something driven every day. I think that's the difference.
A friend of a friend has a Lusso with the Novitec system and I was astonished how quiet it was with the valves shut, but it's simply anti social once they open. That's ok for a weekend toy but not something driven every day. I think that's the difference.
21ATS said:
I don't really want it louder when the valves open I just want it quieter when they are shut.
A friend of a friend has a Lusso with the Novitec system and I was astonished how quiet it was with the valves shut, but it's simply anti social once they open. That's ok for a weekend toy but not something driven every day. I think that's the difference.
That's a fair comment, it is very loud when open! Be interested to see how it all works out with the Lusso back boxes. Update us if you do this.A friend of a friend has a Lusso with the Novitec system and I was astonished how quiet it was with the valves shut, but it's simply anti social once they open. That's ok for a weekend toy but not something driven every day. I think that's the difference.
kbf1981 said:
Just put deposit on a Lusso V12. Really impressed by the car. Sold a 488 to make room for it. I'll use it more often as there's space for the kids and that engine is so special.
Pics when I collect later in the week.
Well done and congratulations! Interesting to hear that you moved on the 488 for this. Can you give us some context? What does the Lusso do for you (as a driver's car) that the 488 didn't? I take it you have something else in the garage?Pics when I collect later in the week.
Yes, pictures are mandatory.
RUNDLL said:
kbf1981 said:
Just put deposit on a Lusso V12. Really impressed by the car. Sold a 488 to make room for it. I'll use it more often as there's space for the kids and that engine is so special.
Pics when I collect later in the week.
Well done and congratulations! Interesting to hear that you moved on the 488 for this. Can you give us some context? What does the Lusso do for you (as a driver's car) that the 488 didn't? I take it you have something else in the garage?Pics when I collect later in the week.
Yes, pictures are mandatory.
I've got a daily but with the Lusso V12 I intend to use this as an occasional daily too.
I've been to a few meetings where I've drove, ended up on a great road, and it would have been a lot of fun in a ferrari... but I was never in the ferrari because that was home lol. With the lusso I can daily another car, or daily the lusso (I'm going to leave a child seat in it), and it'll mean both my dailys are cool experiences.
I've got a deposit down for a 296 GTS also but that won't be here for a year. Hopefully I'm able to keep both when it arrives so I've a year to sort space and earn pennies lol
ensignia said:
Is it mental to buy an FF with circa 50k miles on the clock?
Short answer: No. Longer answer: The FF fleet average age is 10 years and the oldest cars are 12 years old now. From a mechanical standpoint, the cars are robust but if you’re unlucky, a gearbox failure could cost you £10k. The early cars should be bought on condition, not mileage. The later cars are still mileage sensitive from a value perspective but, again, condition is everything. Have the car inspected and allow a £10k contingency fund on top of your purchase price and you should be covered.
ANOpax said:
Short answer: No.
Longer answer: The FF fleet average age is 10 years and the oldest cars are 12 years old now. From a mechanical standpoint, the cars are robust but if you’re unlucky, a gearbox failure could cost you £10k. The early cars should be bought on condition, not mileage. The later cars are still mileage sensitive from a value perspective but, again, condition is everything. Have the car inspected and allow a £10k contingency fund on top of your purchase price and you should be covered.
I have a Maserati GranTurismo which has just thrown a massive bill, so I'm used to highly strung Italians and have a slush fund to account for it.Longer answer: The FF fleet average age is 10 years and the oldest cars are 12 years old now. From a mechanical standpoint, the cars are robust but if you’re unlucky, a gearbox failure could cost you £10k. The early cars should be bought on condition, not mileage. The later cars are still mileage sensitive from a value perspective but, again, condition is everything. Have the car inspected and allow a £10k contingency fund on top of your purchase price and you should be covered.
With the FF, it seems the cars are very mileage sensitive and I plan on using it so could realistically put 5-8k miles per year - at 50k plus the miles I intend to do it could be 70k within 3 years. Purchase price of circa £80k isn't too bad, but a 14 year old Ferrari V12 with 65-70k might be worthless in 3 years time.
But it's an itch that must be scratched.
ensignia said:
I have a Maserati GranTurismo which has just thrown a massive bill, so I'm used to highly strung Italians and have a slush fund to account for it.
With the FF, it seems the cars are very mileage sensitive and I plan on using it so could realistically put 5-8k miles per year - at 50k plus the miles I intend to do it could be 70k within 3 years. Purchase price of circa £80k isn't too bad, but a 14 year old Ferrari V12 with 65-70k might be worthless in 3 years time.
But it's an itch that must be scratched.
You’ll lose less putting 20k on a 50k car than you will putting 20k on a 20k car.With the FF, it seems the cars are very mileage sensitive and I plan on using it so could realistically put 5-8k miles per year - at 50k plus the miles I intend to do it could be 70k within 3 years. Purchase price of circa £80k isn't too bad, but a 14 year old Ferrari V12 with 65-70k might be worthless in 3 years time.
But it's an itch that must be scratched.
I have a low ish miles FF and a 65,000 mile 456. The existing miles on the 456 make adding miles painless and stress free. I’m not worrying about values, just enjoyment.
Iain Tyrell says that 456 V12s are only really run in at 50,000 miles. I wonder if the FF V12 is equally capable of miles?
Iain Tyrell says that 456 V12s are only really run in at 50,000 miles. I wonder if the FF V12 is equally capable of miles?
Sarnie said:
ANOpax said:
Which is why a 40k mile car costs more than a 70k mile car…
… but you’ll still lose less putting 20k miles on a 50k miler than a 20k miler.
Possibly, but you've got to find someone will to buy a 70k Ferrari......… but you’ll still lose less putting 20k miles on a 50k miler than a 20k miler.
Edited by ANOpax on Wednesday 24th May 15:21
The average mileage at the point of failure based on a sample of 35 failed PTUs is 21k miles with a standard deviation of 12,200 miles.
According to several Ferrari dealerships, the failure rate of the PTU is better than that of the DCT gearbox so if Getrag won't improve the DCT box, it seems unlikely that Ferrari would bother to re-engineer the PTU.
According to several Ferrari dealerships, the failure rate of the PTU is better than that of the DCT gearbox so if Getrag won't improve the DCT box, it seems unlikely that Ferrari would bother to re-engineer the PTU.
ANOpax said:
ensignia said:
Is it mental to buy an FF with circa 50k miles on the clock?
Short answer: No. Longer answer: The FF fleet average age is 10 years and the oldest cars are 12 years old now. From a mechanical standpoint, the cars are robust but if you’re unlucky, a gearbox failure could cost you £10k. The early cars should be bought on condition, not mileage. The later cars are still mileage sensitive from a value perspective but, again, condition is everything. Have the car inspected and allow a £10k contingency fund on top of your purchase price and you should be covered.
It has a bit of a basic spec as far as I can tell (no cameras, no power tailgate, no bluetooth audio), but everything seems in order and working as it should.
The PTU and DCT oils are all fresh and the last service was literally a week ago at a place called Knight Racer in Milton Keynes.
I'm not too fussed if the PTU goes kaput as there are options to sort it for less than 10k, however the brakes are what are worrying me. I rang HR Owen and Joe Macari to see whether they had any information on wear or replacements but they weren't able to see in the system the specifics of the work carried out, only the mileage and date of service.
Has anyone got any advice on what I should look out for to verify the condition of the brakes? I took a quick video of one of the rears, but my knowledge in carbon ceramics and brakes in general is very basic.
Take a look at Voicey’s website
here
It’s a great primer on how things work with CCMs. You can also take the car to a dealer for them to interrogate the computer but the computer isn’t always accurate as it’s based on an algorithm.
Here’s what mine looked like at c.27k miles.
AFAIK, bluetooth audio was standard on all cars. As was rear cam, I think. It was the front cam which was optional.
There was no power tailgate option on early cars so no biggie if you don’t have it.
here
It’s a great primer on how things work with CCMs. You can also take the car to a dealer for them to interrogate the computer but the computer isn’t always accurate as it’s based on an algorithm.
Here’s what mine looked like at c.27k miles.
AFAIK, bluetooth audio was standard on all cars. As was rear cam, I think. It was the front cam which was optional.
There was no power tailgate option on early cars so no biggie if you don’t have it.
Edited by ANOpax on Wednesday 31st May 15:13
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